Who should the U.S. accept as refugees?

[Jingizu]

Curious what people think about this.

[FT-02 Senator A.F.E. 🇵🇸🤝🇺🇸🤝🇺🇦]

Both groups (sane, normal)

[dead0man]

as always, we should accept women and LGBT people from all sh**tty places.  The dudes can stay and fix their sh**t that they broke.

[Goldwater]

as always, we should accept women and LGBT people from all sh**tty places.  The dudes can stay and fix their sh**t that they broke.

So no cishet men allowed? Huh, I didn't expect such a woke SJW take from you.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Yes to Myanmar and No to Palestinians

[Frozen Sky Ever Why]

No to both

[Ferguson97]

Yes to Myanmar and No to Palestinians

This is bigoted.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Yes to Myanmar and No to Palestinians

This is bigoted.

lol

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

Again, we simply cannot accept refugees from an area where we are actively backing the war against. This is just not something that is done, and it would apply regardless of the ethnicity of the group.

[Ferguson97]

Yes to Myanmar and No to Palestinians

This is bigoted.

lol

You respond dismissively because you know you don't have a good argument.

I'll just be blunt: you hate all Muslims.

[All Along The Watchtower]

Again, we simply cannot accept refugees from an area where we are actively backing the war against. This is just not something that is done, and it would apply regardless of the ethnicity of the group.

Found the problem.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Yes to Myanmar and No to Palestinians

This is bigoted.

lol

You respond dismissively because you know you don't have a good argument.

I'll just be blunt: you hate all Muslims.

I supporting accepting Rohingya refugees from Mynamar who are primarily Muslim so your point is laughable.

I oppose accepting Palestinian refugees for the same reason Ray Goldfield said . You don’t accept refugees from an enemy nation who is currently at war with your ally .

Accepting them is admission that you believe Israel is oppressing them which is not true .

[Vosem]

I wrote out a longer thing here, but I'm honestly kind of sympathetic to the dead0man solution (and maybe add 'very elderly people' to that list). Almost all problems with immigration waves are caused by young men.

(More generally, classifying people by race is bad generally and non-American specifically, so decisions should be made on a case-by-case basis. People who are particularly vulnerable or have useful skills should be given priority; people who have social views incompatible with American life should be excluded. I would not take Gazans who support Palestinian liberationism, as it is a specific case of fascist ideology -- or for that matter communism, which was common there a few generations back -- but those without such views would be fine.)

I oppose accepting Palestinian refugees for the same reason Ray Goldfield said . You don’t accept refugees from an enemy nation who is currently at war with your ally .

Accepting them is admission that you believe Israel is oppressing them which is not true .

It isn't, actually. Accepting them is an admission that they are oppressed by the government of Gaza. We wouldn't want supporters of that government, but of course it is not the case that all Palestinians are supporters of that government, or anything like that.

[Jingizu]

I am pleased to see most people would support allowing the Rohingya to come here. The parallel is when the U.S. accepted Nepalese that had been ethnically cleansed by the Bhutanese in the 1990s. That worked out well. I think there would be no issues with the Rohingya. The debate over Gazan Palestinians is to be expected, honestly, although I hope we don’t end up in a position where all of them are huddling in camps in Egypt, because then they really would be refugees…ok, clumsy wording. I’m not actually sure how many Gazans are descended from refugees from elsewhere and how many are descended from original inhabitants of the Gaza Strip. The Palestinians didn’t lose that much territory in and around the Gaza Strip compared to elsewhere, so the percentage of refugees is unclear. Of course, many of them are definitely refugees now, with likely more to come.

[Santander]

Most* Gazans are, in fact, Egyptians.

* obviously no way to know for sure, but definitely a large percentage

[Pericles]

Those who need refuge should be accepted, basically "your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free".

[Antonio the Sixth]

Anyone who meets the international law definition of a refugee should be accepted as a refugee. That includes those two groups and many, many others.

[Santander]

Anyone who meets the international law definition of a refugee should be accepted as a refugee. That includes those two groups and many, many others.

Palestinian "refugees" are literally separate from refugees. UNHCR refugees are actually refugees, while Palestinian "refugees" are overwhelmingly the descendants of refugees, who, in any other case, would simply be called normal citizens or residents of whatever country they were raised in.

Obviously, the current humanitarian situation in Gaza is tragic, and many people need help. But international convention around Palestinian refugees actually does not help their cause.

[dead0man]

gee, I wonder what reason Palestinians would be a ((("special"))) class of refugee at the UN

[Antonio the Sixth]

The 1951 Refugee Convention is a key legal document and defines a refugee as: “someone who is unable or unwilling to return to their country of origin owing to a well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group, or political opinion.”

This absolutely describes Palestinians whether they live in Gaza, the West Bank, or nearby Arab countries (which also have been treating them as second-class citizens for decades).

[BigZuck08]

Both, so as long as they are entering legally

[Red Wall]

Yes to Myanmar and No to Palestinians

This is bigoted.

lol

You respond dismissively because you know you don't have a good argument.

I'll just be blunt: you hate all Muslims.

I supporting accepting Rohingya refugees from Mynamar who are primarily Muslim so your point is laughable.

I oppose accepting Palestinian refugees for the same reason Ray Goldfield said . You don’t accept refugees from an enemy nation who is currently at war with your ally .

Accepting them is admission that you believe Israel is oppressing them which is not true .

War where only one side has an army. So the us shouldn't have accepted jews before entering ww2 cause they were at "war" with Germany