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« on: October 17, 2023, 09:18:39 PM »

How do you feel about a carbon tax, we have one in Canada but it has been unpopular in the wake of high inflation and dissatisfaction with everything Trudeau does,

However the climate is a serious issue and with the U.S being a major global superpower, it can be argued that with the adoption of a carbon tax, it can put alot of pressure on other powers to go forward with this as well.
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« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2023, 07:49:22 PM »

Yes. Obviously it should be higher on actual polluters, unlike the Trudeau government's punishment of working-class households.
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« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2023, 07:10:33 AM »

Obviously not. The West needs to reindustrialize, not deindustrialize.
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« Reply #3 on: October 25, 2023, 11:12:10 PM »

Only on condition we get rid of the gas tax. 
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« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2023, 02:57:33 PM »

Absolutely yes, so long as it doesn't excessively punish working-class households or deincentivize industrial output.
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« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2023, 08:55:41 AM »

Ew no. That whole movement is cancer
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« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2023, 10:34:14 PM »

Obviously not. The West needs to reindustrialize, not deindustrialize.
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« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2023, 02:38:17 PM »

Absolutely yes, so long as it doesn't excessively punish working-class households or deincentivize industrial output.

Proponents will object that they have some flawless technocratic solution to this problem, but after watching this debate play out several times, my belief is that there is no practical way to do this.

Pigovian subsidies never completely alleviate the burden, and more often than not they do so to the benefit of those with the most political heft, not those with the most need.

Unless there is an equally affordable source of energy with no carbon emissions, working-class households who can no longer afford to fuel their vehicles or heat their homes to a comfortable temperature - and whose employer may well have been driven out of town by higher energy prices or a less reliable grid - will bear the most pain under any carbon tax scheme.
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« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2023, 03:10:44 PM »

No but its better than the IRA subsidies.
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« Reply #9 on: November 05, 2023, 05:11:03 PM »

Absolutely yes, so long as it doesn't excessively punish working-class households or deincentivize industrial output.

Proponents will object that they have some flawless technocratic solution to this problem, but after watching this debate play out several times, my belief is that there is no practical way to do this.

Pigovian subsidies never completely alleviate the burden, and more often than not they do so to the benefit of those with the most political heft, not those with the most need.

Unless there is an equally affordable source of energy with no carbon emissions, working-class households who can no longer afford to fuel their vehicles or heat their homes to a comfortable temperature - and whose employer may well have been driven out of town by higher energy prices or a less reliable grid - will bear the most pain under any carbon tax scheme.

Oh I'm not suggesting that one should be implemented without other countervailing measures to alleviate the cost for everyone below the middle class. There was a NationStates issue that satirically suggested subsidizing electric blankets for people who wouldn't be able to adequately heat their homes following imposition of a carbon tax scheme, or something like that.

Issue 766: Carbon Emissions Are Why We Can’t Have Nice Things

2. “Let’s do this the right way, yes?” suggests Diego Rice, avid ‘yes-man’ and resident of a territory completely devoid of oil and gas. “If you want a tried and true method for reducing carbon emissions, you can’t go wrong with a good old fashioned tax scheme. Yes, those territories with larger energy reserves and heavy industry will likely be impacted to a greater extent than those without, and socioeconomically it’s bound to be somewhat regressive, but we have to consider future generations. We can offset the damages by investing the revenue in renewable energy and social welfare, yes?”
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« Reply #10 on: November 10, 2023, 09:24:08 PM »

How do you feel about a carbon tax, we have one in Canada but it has been unpopular in the wake of high inflation and dissatisfaction with everything Trudeau does,

However the climate is a serious issue and with the U.S being a major global superpower, it can be argued that with the adoption of a carbon tax, it can put alot of pressure on other powers to go forward with this as well.


While I believe strong action on global warming is desperately needed, I am greatly concerned that any carbon tax likely to be implemented in the U.S. would end up serving solely as a wealth transfer from the public to influential segments of the financial class. 
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« Reply #11 on: November 19, 2023, 12:33:00 PM »

We should have traceable pollution permits; that’s be far more efficient than a tax.
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« Reply #12 on: November 19, 2023, 12:53:18 PM »

Yes.
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« Reply #13 on: November 20, 2023, 06:11:37 AM »

No, its a tax on the poor, dependent on cars, farmers and the middle classes.
The only people who aren't hurt by this are rich, well served in public transport urbanites...
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