Can we get a list of Atlas posters that are neutral on Israel/Palestine and Russia/Ukraine?

[Red Velvet]

I am neutral on both.

I find it funny that a lot of people here are in Ukraine-Israel camps though, even if their contexts are complete opposites to each other.

Israel has more parallels to Russia and Palestine to Ukraine, so I end up seeing people change their moral arguments according to whatever is more convenient to their self-interests / cultural alignment.

Yeah you’re so neutral you said South Americans who support or volunteer to fight for Ukraine are self hating, European boot licking fascists and reaction to Russia’s war crimes was literally post “yawn”.

Hell yeah they are. They would be the same exact thing if they fought for Russia, but you don’t hear from these if they exist. If you’re Brazilian, why would you get involved in a war that isn’t yours? Mongrel inferiority complex. Love your damn country instead of abandoning your family and wasting your life in the other side of the world.

[Hindsight was 2020]

I am neutral on both.

I find it funny that a lot of people here are in Ukraine-Israel camps though, even if their contexts are complete opposites to each other.

Israel has more parallels to Russia and Palestine to Ukraine, so I end up seeing people change their moral arguments according to whatever is more convenient to their self-interests / cultural alignment.

Yeah you’re so neutral you said South Americans who support or volunteer to fight for Ukraine are self hating, European boot licking fascists and reaction to Russia’s war crimes was literally post “yawn”.

I don't believe he's neutral but the last sentence in his post is 100% factual.

I mean you can just as easily flip it around on him and others who have been demanding Ukraine give up it’s land to save lives but don’t seem to be in any rush to demand Palestine give up in the name of saving lives

[Hindsight was 2020]

I am neutral on both.

I find it funny that a lot of people here are in Ukraine-Israel camps though, even if their contexts are complete opposites to each other.

Israel has more parallels to Russia and Palestine to Ukraine, so I end up seeing people change their moral arguments according to whatever is more convenient to their self-interests / cultural alignment.

Yeah you’re so neutral you said South Americans who support or volunteer to fight for Ukraine are self hating, European boot licking fascists and reaction to Russia’s war crimes was literally post “yawn”.

Hell yeah they are. They would be the same exact thing if they fought for Russia, but you don’t hear from these if they exist. If you’re Brazilian, why would you get involved in a war that isn’t yours? Mongrel inferiority complex. Love your damn country instead of abandoning your family and wasting your life in the other side of the world.

Maybe because shockingly there are people in South America might feel sympathy/kinship struggle with a nation that’s the victim of an imperialist invasion?

[Red Velvet]

I am neutral on both.

I find it funny that a lot of people here are in Ukraine-Israel camps though, even if their contexts are complete opposites to each other.

Israel has more parallels to Russia and Palestine to Ukraine, so I end up seeing people change their moral arguments according to whatever is more convenient to their self-interests / cultural alignment.

Yeah you’re so neutral you said South Americans who support or volunteer to fight for Ukraine are self hating, European boot licking fascists and reaction to Russia’s war crimes was literally post “yawn”.

Hell yeah they are. They would be the same exact thing if they fought for Russia, but you don’t hear from these if they exist. If you’re Brazilian, why would you get involved in a war that isn’t yours? Mongrel inferiority complex. Love your damn country instead of abandoning your family and wasting your life in the other side of the world.

Maybe because shockingly there are people in South America might feel sympathy/kinship struggle with a nation that’s the victim of an imperialist invasion?

The ones you’re talking about are far-right military gun-loving people who supported Bolsonaro though lol

I don’t think you understand differences in ideological lines between USA and Brazil and just assume Ukraine supporters here are woke “open-minded” liberals just like in USA lmaao

Liberals these days don’t hold political representation at all in Brazil, sorry.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

It's a lot easier to find people who are neutral on Israel/Palestine in the sense of siding against Hamas in the current moment but thinking that ~The Conflict~ as a whole is the way it is because of decades of indefensible actions and decisions on both sides. The Russia/Ukraine situation doesn't really allow for that interpretation.

This is an insane take.

Russia-Ukraine is itself kind of new, actually. Russia had sphere primacy until 2014 and was secure in its place. Ukraine generally elected pro-Russian presidents. Russia's military base in Sevastopol was secure. Ukraine being an anti-Russian place is very recent, in that sense it's nothing like Israel-Palestine where despite land being an issue in both, the wound in I vs P are far deeper; the breakdown in UA vs RU relations goes down to Vladimir Putin and his more recent incompetence in key foreign policy domains for Russia.

Hell, in 2019 80% of Russians thought positively of Ukrainians as a people and vice versa. You don't see that sort of divide in Israel vs Palestine, at all.

Ukraine allowed itself to be a vassal state in between two great powers. That's indefensible on its part.

Well, Ukraine has made mistakes, especially under Poroshenko (the worst performing Ukrainian president since 1991, though if you take Yanukyvych's last few months by themselves then it gets surpassed). In general, Putin's foreign policy incompetence created an new question for Ukraine and post-2022, that question was answered conclusively for the time being, at least in the eyes of Ukrainian civil society.
The key thing here is that modern Ukraine was a creation of Vladimir Putin, the protagonist of this whole thing. Ukraine was very different 10 years ago. Ukraine might not even remain anti-Russian, the future is uncertain. Nonetheless, it would have been smarter for Ukraine's leadership to pretend to be friendly to Putin at least, in the grand scheme of things, and Poroshenko's policies towards Russophone Ukrainians gave Russia lots of propaganda material that Ukraine absolutely should not have given Russia, but that does not mean Ukraine wasn't a prisoner of a situation created by multiple players, of which they were just one of. Small nations and big ones alike can become prisoners of the circumstances they are in. And now Russia is locked in a sad, tragic duet too.

Has Ukraine mishandled its foreign policy? Somewhat. But I doubt you or I would have had massively more luck in the median scenario if we were given the task of running Ukrainian Fopo. There's bigger fish in the pond.

If America lost the Cold War and Canada was not as close to us and we invaded because our President was insecure, then Canadians would certainly have some colorful things to say about us, and we'd have to face up to the fact that we'd have given them good reason to feel the way they did.

[Hindsight was 2020]

I am neutral on both.

I find it funny that a lot of people here are in Ukraine-Israel camps though, even if their contexts are complete opposites to each other.

Israel has more parallels to Russia and Palestine to Ukraine, so I end up seeing people change their moral arguments according to whatever is more convenient to their self-interests / cultural alignment.

Yeah you’re so neutral you said South Americans who support or volunteer to fight for Ukraine are self hating, European boot licking fascists and reaction to Russia’s war crimes was literally post “yawn”.

Hell yeah they are. They would be the same exact thing if they fought for Russia, but you don’t hear from these if they exist. If you’re Brazilian, why would you get involved in a war that isn’t yours? Mongrel inferiority complex. Love your damn country instead of abandoning your family and wasting your life in the other side of the world.

Maybe because shockingly there are people in South America might feel sympathy/kinship struggle with a nation that’s the victim of an imperialist invasion?

The ones you’re talking about are far-right military gun-loving people who supported Bolsonaro though lol

I don’t think you understand differences in ideological lines between USA and Brazil and just assume Ukraine supporters here are woke “open-minded” liberals just like in USA lmaao

Liberals these days don’t hold political representation at all in Brazil, sorry.

I have enough Ukrainian first hand sourcing to know there’s a good amount of South American volunteers are open socialist. Also you highlighted comment isn’t even true for the US as the biggest Ukraine hawks are old school republicans

[Saint Milei]

It's a lot easier to find people who are neutral on Israel/Palestine in the sense of siding against Hamas in the current moment but thinking that ~The Conflict~ as a whole is the way it is because of decades of indefensible actions and decisions on both sides. The Russia/Ukraine situation doesn't really allow for that interpretation.

This is an insane take.

Russia-Ukraine is itself kind of new, actually. Russia had sphere primacy until 2014 and was secure in its place. Ukraine generally elected pro-Russian presidents. Russia's military base in Sevastopol was secure. Ukraine being an anti-Russian place is very recent, in that sense it's nothing like Israel-Palestine where despite land being an issue in both, the wound in I vs P are far deeper; the breakdown in UA vs RU relations goes down to Vladimir Putin and his more recent incompetence in key foreign policy domains for Russia.

Hell, in 2019 80% of Russians thought positively of Ukrainians as a people and vice versa. You don't see that sort of divide in Israel vs Palestine, at all.

Ukraine allowed itself to be a vassal state in between two great powers. That's indefensible on its part.

Well, Ukraine has made mistakes, especially under Poroshenko (the worst performing Ukrainian president since 1991, though if you take Yanukyvych's last few months by themselves then it gets surpassed). In general, Putin's foreign policy incompetence created an new question for Ukraine and post-2022, that question was answered conclusively for the time being, at least in the eyes of Ukrainian civil society.
The key thing here is that modern Ukraine was a creation of Vladimir Putin, the protagonist of this whole thing. Ukraine was very different 10 years ago. Ukraine might not even remain anti-Russian, the future is uncertain. Nonetheless, it would have been smarter for Ukraine's leadership to pretend to be friendly to Putin at least, in the grand scheme of things, and Poroshenko's policies towards Russophone Ukrainians gave Russia lots of propaganda material that Ukraine absolutely should not have given Russia, but that does not mean Ukraine wasn't a prisoner of a situation created by multiple players, of which they were just one of. Small nations and big ones alike can become prisoners of the circumstances they are in. And now Russia is locked in a sad, tragic duet too.

Has Ukraine mishandled its foreign policy? Somewhat. But I doubt you or I would have had massively more luck in the median scenario if we were given the task of running Ukrainian Fopo. There's bigger fish in the pond.

If America lost the Cold War and Canada was not as close to us and we invaded because our President was insecure, then Canadians would certainly have some colorful things to say about us, and we'd have to face up to the fact that we'd have given them good reason to feel the way they did.

If I was president of Ukraine I would have prevented the us regime change policy and told the west to fk off if they want us to be a bulwark against Russia.

[Red Velvet]

I am neutral on both.

I find it funny that a lot of people here are in Ukraine-Israel camps though, even if their contexts are complete opposites to each other.

Israel has more parallels to Russia and Palestine to Ukraine, so I end up seeing people change their moral arguments according to whatever is more convenient to their self-interests / cultural alignment.

Yeah you’re so neutral you said South Americans who support or volunteer to fight for Ukraine are self hating, European boot licking fascists and reaction to Russia’s war crimes was literally post “yawn”.

Hell yeah they are. They would be the same exact thing if they fought for Russia, but you don’t hear from these if they exist. If you’re Brazilian, why would you get involved in a war that isn’t yours? Mongrel inferiority complex. Love your damn country instead of abandoning your family and wasting your life in the other side of the world.

Maybe because shockingly there are people in South America might feel sympathy/kinship struggle with a nation that’s the victim of an imperialist invasion?

The ones you’re talking about are far-right military gun-loving people who supported Bolsonaro though lol

I don’t think you understand differences in ideological lines between USA and Brazil and just assume Ukraine supporters here are woke “open-minded” liberals just like in USA lmaao

Liberals these days don’t hold political representation at all in Brazil, sorry.

I have enough Ukrainian first hand sourcing to know there’s a good amount of South American volunteers are open socialist. Also you highlighted comment isn’t even true for the US as the biggest Ukraine hawks are old school republicans

Soooooooo, that’s the same thing for Brazil. Who the hell goes to war in another country for the sake of using guns indiscriminately to kill? The crazy white right-wingers / fascists who complain Lula is creating lots of gun restrictions so they want to use some foreign country as playground + people with inferiority complex that they’re willing to dump their wives and kids to try to be heroes in another country and assert their greatness; masculinity; whatever.

IMO, the person automatically loses their nationality when they do that kind of stuff, there’s nothing more anti-patriotic. Fight for your country, love your land instead of giving your back to it for the sake of some random white country that never did anything for us and neither would do if we were in that kind of situation cause the standards for White Westerners don’t apply to us.

If some anti-patriotic Brazilian dies doing that kind of dumb stuff, I won’t lose my sleep over it. My sympathies are with their family, but certainly not with traitors like them.

Oh, actual socialists here aren’t sympathetic to Ukraine at all btw. You should learn Portuguese and check Brazilian twitter for an idea.

[Hindsight was 2020]

It's a lot easier to find people who are neutral on Israel/Palestine in the sense of siding against Hamas in the current moment but thinking that ~The Conflict~ as a whole is the way it is because of decades of indefensible actions and decisions on both sides. The Russia/Ukraine situation doesn't really allow for that interpretation.

This is an insane take.

Russia-Ukraine is itself kind of new, actually. Russia had sphere primacy until 2014 and was secure in its place. Ukraine generally elected pro-Russian presidents. Russia's military base in Sevastopol was secure. Ukraine being an anti-Russian place is very recent, in that sense it's nothing like Israel-Palestine where despite land being an issue in both, the wound in I vs P are far deeper; the breakdown in UA vs RU relations goes down to Vladimir Putin and his more recent incompetence in key foreign policy domains for Russia.

Hell, in 2019 80% of Russians thought positively of Ukrainians as a people and vice versa. You don't see that sort of divide in Israel vs Palestine, at all.

Ukraine allowed itself to be a vassal state in between two great powers. That's indefensible on its part.

Well, Ukraine has made mistakes, especially under Poroshenko (the worst performing Ukrainian president since 1991, though if you take Yanukyvych's last few months by themselves then it gets surpassed). In general, Putin's foreign policy incompetence created an new question for Ukraine and post-2022, that question was answered conclusively for the time being, at least in the eyes of Ukrainian civil society.
The key thing here is that modern Ukraine was a creation of Vladimir Putin, the protagonist of this whole thing. Ukraine was very different 10 years ago. Ukraine might not even remain anti-Russian, the future is uncertain. Nonetheless, it would have been smarter for Ukraine's leadership to pretend to be friendly to Putin at least, in the grand scheme of things, and Poroshenko's policies towards Russophone Ukrainians gave Russia lots of propaganda material that Ukraine absolutely should not have given Russia, but that does not mean Ukraine wasn't a prisoner of a situation created by multiple players, of which they were just one of. Small nations and big ones alike can become prisoners of the circumstances they are in. And now Russia is locked in a sad, tragic duet too.

Has Ukraine mishandled its foreign policy? Somewhat. But I doubt you or I would have had massively more luck in the median scenario if we were given the task of running Ukrainian Fopo. There's bigger fish in the pond.

If America lost the Cold War and Canada was not as close to us and we invaded because our President was insecure, then Canadians would certainly have some colorful things to say about us, and we'd have to face up to the fact that we'd have given them good reason to feel the way they did.

If I was president of Ukraine I would have prevented the us regime change policy and told the west to fk off if they want us to be a bulwark against Russia.

An when Putin still invades because of his blood and soil complex what then?

[Hindsight was 2020]

I am neutral on both.

I find it funny that a lot of people here are in Ukraine-Israel camps though, even if their contexts are complete opposites to each other.

Israel has more parallels to Russia and Palestine to Ukraine, so I end up seeing people change their moral arguments according to whatever is more convenient to their self-interests / cultural alignment.

Yeah you’re so neutral you said South Americans who support or volunteer to fight for Ukraine are self hating, European boot licking fascists and reaction to Russia’s war crimes was literally post “yawn”.

Hell yeah they are. They would be the same exact thing if they fought for Russia, but you don’t hear from these if they exist. If you’re Brazilian, why would you get involved in a war that isn’t yours? Mongrel inferiority complex. Love your damn country instead of abandoning your family and wasting your life in the other side of the world.

Maybe because shockingly there are people in South America might feel sympathy/kinship struggle with a nation that’s the victim of an imperialist invasion?

The ones you’re talking about are far-right military gun-loving people who supported Bolsonaro though lol

I don’t think you understand differences in ideological lines between USA and Brazil and just assume Ukraine supporters here are woke “open-minded” liberals just like in USA lmaao

Liberals these days don’t hold political representation at all in Brazil, sorry.

I have enough Ukrainian first hand sourcing to know there’s a good amount of South American volunteers are open socialist. Also you highlighted comment isn’t even true for the US as the biggest Ukraine hawks are old school republicans

Soooooooo, that’s the same thing for Brazil. Who the hell goes to war in another country for the sake of using guns indiscriminately to kill? The crazy white right-wingers / fascists who complain Lula is creating lots of gun restrictions so they want to use some foreign country as playground + people with inferiority complex that they’re willing to dump their wives and kids to try to be heroes in another country and assert their greatness; masculinity; whatever.

IMO, the person automatically loses their nationality when they do that kind of stuff, there’s nothing more anti-patriotic. Fight for your country, love your land instead of giving your back to it for the sake of some random white country that never did anything for us and neither would do if we were in that kind of situation cause the standards for White Westerners don’t apply to us.

If some anti-patriotic Brazilian dies doing that kind of dumb stuff, I won’t lose my sleep over it. My sympathies are with their family, but certainly not with traitors like them.

Ah yes like famous right winger George Orwell 🙄

[PSOL]

I am neutral on both.

I find it funny that a lot of people here are in Ukraine-Israel camps though, even if their contexts are complete opposites to each other.

Israel has more parallels to Russia and Palestine to Ukraine, so I end up seeing people change their moral arguments according to whatever is more convenient to their self-interests / cultural alignment.

Yeah you’re so neutral you said South Americans who support or volunteer to fight for Ukraine are self hating, European boot licking fascists and reaction to Russia’s war crimes was literally post “yawn”.

Hell yeah they are. They would be the same exact thing if they fought for Russia, but you don’t hear from these if they exist. If you’re Brazilian, why would you get involved in a war that isn’t yours? Mongrel inferiority complex. Love your damn country instead of abandoning your family and wasting your life in the other side of the world.

Maybe because shockingly there are people in South America might feel sympathy/kinship struggle with a nation that’s the victim of an imperialist invasion?

The ones you’re talking about are far-right military gun-loving people who supported Bolsonaro though lol

I don’t think you understand differences in ideological lines between USA and Brazil and just assume Ukraine supporters here are woke “open-minded” liberals just like in USA lmaao

Liberals these days don’t hold political representation at all in Brazil, sorry.

I have enough Ukrainian first hand sourcing to know there’s a good amount of South American volunteers are open socialist. Also you highlighted comment isn’t even true for the US as the biggest Ukraine hawks are old school republicans

Soooooooo, that’s the same thing for Brazil. Who the hell goes to war in another country for the sake of using guns indiscriminately to kill? The crazy white right-wingers / fascists who complain Lula is creating lots of gun restrictions so they want to use some foreign country as playground + people with inferiority complex that they’re willing to dump their wives and kids to try to be heroes in another country and assert their greatness; masculinity; whatever.

IMO, the person automatically loses their nationality when they do that kind of stuff, there’s nothing more anti-patriotic. Fight for your country, love your land instead of giving your back to it for the sake of some random white country that never did anything for us and neither would do if we were in that kind of situation cause the standards for White Westerners don’t apply to us.

If some anti-patriotic Brazilian dies doing that kind of dumb stuff, I won’t lose my sleep over it. My sympathies are with their family, but certainly not with traitors like them.

Ah yes like famous right winger George Orwell 🙄

Well…

[Hindsight was 2020]

I am neutral on both.

I find it funny that a lot of people here are in Ukraine-Israel camps though, even if their contexts are complete opposites to each other.

Israel has more parallels to Russia and Palestine to Ukraine, so I end up seeing people change their moral arguments according to whatever is more convenient to their self-interests / cultural alignment.

Yeah you’re so neutral you said South Americans who support or volunteer to fight for Ukraine are self hating, European boot licking fascists and reaction to Russia’s war crimes was literally post “yawn”.

Hell yeah they are. They would be the same exact thing if they fought for Russia, but you don’t hear from these if they exist. If you’re Brazilian, why would you get involved in a war that isn’t yours? Mongrel inferiority complex. Love your damn country instead of abandoning your family and wasting your life in the other side of the world.

Maybe because shockingly there are people in South America might feel sympathy/kinship struggle with a nation that’s the victim of an imperialist invasion?

The ones you’re talking about are far-right military gun-loving people who supported Bolsonaro though lol

I don’t think you understand differences in ideological lines between USA and Brazil and just assume Ukraine supporters here are woke “open-minded” liberals just like in USA lmaao

Liberals these days don’t hold political representation at all in Brazil, sorry.

I have enough Ukrainian first hand sourcing to know there’s a good amount of South American volunteers are open socialist. Also you highlighted comment isn’t even true for the US as the biggest Ukraine hawks are old school republicans

Soooooooo, that’s the same thing for Brazil. Who the hell goes to war in another country for the sake of using guns indiscriminately to kill? The crazy white right-wingers / fascists who complain Lula is creating lots of gun restrictions so they want to use some foreign country as playground + people with inferiority complex that they’re willing to dump their wives and kids to try to be heroes in another country and assert their greatness; masculinity; whatever.

IMO, the person automatically loses their nationality when they do that kind of stuff, there’s nothing more anti-patriotic. Fight for your country, love your land instead of giving your back to it for the sake of some random white country that never did anything for us and neither would do if we were in that kind of situation cause the standards for White Westerners don’t apply to us.

If some anti-patriotic Brazilian dies doing that kind of dumb stuff, I won’t lose my sleep over it. My sympathies are with their family, but certainly not with traitors like them.

Ah yes like famous right winger George Orwell 🙄

Well…

Yeah yeah I know to tankies he’s a right winger for not liking Stalin but in the real world he was a clear cut socialist with heavy sympathizes to anarchism

[Kahane's Grave Is A Gender-Neutral Bathroom]

Jaichind, for all the wrong reasons of course.

[PSOL]

I am neutral on both.

I find it funny that a lot of people here are in Ukraine-Israel camps though, even if their contexts are complete opposites to each other.

Israel has more parallels to Russia and Palestine to Ukraine, so I end up seeing people change their moral arguments according to whatever is more convenient to their self-interests / cultural alignment.

Yeah you’re so neutral you said South Americans who support or volunteer to fight for Ukraine are self hating, European boot licking fascists and reaction to Russia’s war crimes was literally post “yawn”.

Hell yeah they are. They would be the same exact thing if they fought for Russia, but you don’t hear from these if they exist. If you’re Brazilian, why would you get involved in a war that isn’t yours? Mongrel inferiority complex. Love your damn country instead of abandoning your family and wasting your life in the other side of the world.

Maybe because shockingly there are people in South America might feel sympathy/kinship struggle with a nation that’s the victim of an imperialist invasion?

The ones you’re talking about are far-right military gun-loving people who supported Bolsonaro though lol

I don’t think you understand differences in ideological lines between USA and Brazil and just assume Ukraine supporters here are woke “open-minded” liberals just like in USA lmaao

Liberals these days don’t hold political representation at all in Brazil, sorry.

I have enough Ukrainian first hand sourcing to know there’s a good amount of South American volunteers are open socialist. Also you highlighted comment isn’t even true for the US as the biggest Ukraine hawks are old school republicans

Soooooooo, that’s the same thing for Brazil. Who the hell goes to war in another country for the sake of using guns indiscriminately to kill? The crazy white right-wingers / fascists who complain Lula is creating lots of gun restrictions so they want to use some foreign country as playground + people with inferiority complex that they’re willing to dump their wives and kids to try to be heroes in another country and assert their greatness; masculinity; whatever.

IMO, the person automatically loses their nationality when they do that kind of stuff, there’s nothing more anti-patriotic. Fight for your country, love your land instead of giving your back to it for the sake of some random white country that never did anything for us and neither would do if we were in that kind of situation cause the standards for White Westerners don’t apply to us.

If some anti-patriotic Brazilian dies doing that kind of dumb stuff, I won’t lose my sleep over it. My sympathies are with their family, but certainly not with traitors like them.

Ah yes like famous right winger George Orwell 🙄

Well…

Yeah yeah I know to tankies he’s a right winger for not liking Stalin but in the real world he was a clear cut socialist with heavy sympathizes to anarchism

Raping children in Burma scott free as a colonial police officer and ratting out labor leaders isn’t synonymous with the Left.

[Saint Milei]

It's a lot easier to find people who are neutral on Israel/Palestine in the sense of siding against Hamas in the current moment but thinking that ~The Conflict~ as a whole is the way it is because of decades of indefensible actions and decisions on both sides. The Russia/Ukraine situation doesn't really allow for that interpretation.

This is an insane take.

Russia-Ukraine is itself kind of new, actually. Russia had sphere primacy until 2014 and was secure in its place. Ukraine generally elected pro-Russian presidents. Russia's military base in Sevastopol was secure. Ukraine being an anti-Russian place is very recent, in that sense it's nothing like Israel-Palestine where despite land being an issue in both, the wound in I vs P are far deeper; the breakdown in UA vs RU relations goes down to Vladimir Putin and his more recent incompetence in key foreign policy domains for Russia.

Hell, in 2019 80% of Russians thought positively of Ukrainians as a people and vice versa. You don't see that sort of divide in Israel vs Palestine, at all.

Ukraine allowed itself to be a vassal state in between two great powers. That's indefensible on its part.

Well, Ukraine has made mistakes, especially under Poroshenko (the worst performing Ukrainian president since 1991, though if you take Yanukyvych's last few months by themselves then it gets surpassed). In general, Putin's foreign policy incompetence created an new question for Ukraine and post-2022, that question was answered conclusively for the time being, at least in the eyes of Ukrainian civil society.
The key thing here is that modern Ukraine was a creation of Vladimir Putin, the protagonist of this whole thing. Ukraine was very different 10 years ago. Ukraine might not even remain anti-Russian, the future is uncertain. Nonetheless, it would have been smarter for Ukraine's leadership to pretend to be friendly to Putin at least, in the grand scheme of things, and Poroshenko's policies towards Russophone Ukrainians gave Russia lots of propaganda material that Ukraine absolutely should not have given Russia, but that does not mean Ukraine wasn't a prisoner of a situation created by multiple players, of which they were just one of. Small nations and big ones alike can become prisoners of the circumstances they are in. And now Russia is locked in a sad, tragic duet too.

Has Ukraine mishandled its foreign policy? Somewhat. But I doubt you or I would have had massively more luck in the median scenario if we were given the task of running Ukrainian Fopo. There's bigger fish in the pond.

If America lost the Cold War and Canada was not as close to us and we invaded because our President was insecure, then Canadians would certainly have some colorful things to say about us, and we'd have to face up to the fact that we'd have given them good reason to feel the way they did.

If I was president of Ukraine I would have prevented the us regime change policy and told the west to fk off if they want us to be a bulwark against Russia.

An when Putin still invades because of his blood and soil complex what then?

Well that wouldn't happen because I'm built different + he invaded due to the u.s., but if it did, I wouldn't let that sht slide. You feel me?

[Yeahsayyeah]

TimTurner is neutral on everything.

That's definitely not true, I'm against the Swiss People's Party.

Not, that this would be wrong but it sounds oddly specific and kind of random...ah it was a quip on Swiss neutrality... nevermind.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

TimTurner is neutral on everything.

That's definitely not true, I'm against the Swiss People's Party.

Not, that this would be wrong but it sounds oddly specific and kind of random...ah it was a quip on Swiss neutrality... nevermind.

It was both a joke and a serious statement.
I felt the best way to make the serious point was by means of humor (or at least an attempt at such). So I chose the SVP. A party like the Swiss People's Party is very much an awful fit for me and they represent sort of what I personally tend to oppose most consistently. And back when the UKIP was a big thing I was pretty opposed to them as well (see my sig).

[Cassius]

Like in The Mikado?

[afleitch]

The situation in Gaza is one of an overlooked humanitarian disaster; a pernicious political and social experiment by an increasingly unjustifiable Israeli policy. I'm not one for 'picking a side' based on an arbitrary date in history; an accepted or rejected peace deal or treaty but on the position as it stands.

And the last twenty years, and only continuing to be exacerbated, has been brutal.

Israel is a democracy. It should never be subject to special pleading where democratic backsliding occurs.

Palestine.

In terms of governance it doesn't claim to be a beacon of anything, but Israel claims to be a western democracy and uses it's arsenal in demonstrably undemocratic and punitive ways against citizens within its own claimed borders.

So I lean more towards the Palestinian plight than the Israeli status quo.

And no I don't support Hamas.

[CumbrianLefty]

Raping children in Burma scott free as a colonial police officer and ratting out labor leaders isn’t synonymous with the Left.

I am aware of the allegations about his time there, but "he raped kids" has (rightly) only been claimed by the crankiest of cranks - there is literally no actual evidence for it.

[Hindsight was 2020]

Raping children in Burma scott free as a colonial police officer and ratting out labor leaders isn’t synonymous with the Left.

I am aware of the allegations about his time there, but "he raped kids" has (rightly) only been claimed by the crankiest of cranks - there is literally no actual evidence for it.

The irony of course is that the people who invoke this baseless accusation do so because they’re mad about Orwell’s hatred of a guy who knocked up a 14 year old girl when he was in his 30’s (Stalin)

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

Raping children in Burma scott free as a colonial police officer and ratting out labor leaders isn’t synonymous with the Left.

I am aware of the allegations about his time there, but "he raped kids" has (rightly) only been claimed by the crankiest of cranks - there is literally no actual evidence for it.

There was a rape allegation made against him but it was from a childhood friend (and made by said friend's sister after she passed)

[Bacon King]

Like in The Mikado?

no he supports both ukraine and israel

[President Johnson]

Smart people will criticize the Israeli government AND Hamas. Both have done bad things. If that's a "neutral" position, then probably lots of posters.

Agreed, though not in the same sentence. The Israeli government deserves criticism for numerious policies, related and unrelated to the conflict, but Hamas literally is a terrorist organization. The Israeli government is still democratically elected and Israeli citizens by the thousands were able to protest against it without consequences as the laws of the land permit free and peaceful demonstrations. That wouldn't be possible under the reign of the Hamas. And it isn't possible in Russia.

[buritobr]

I consider that civilian lives from one side and from the other side have equal value.

I don't support Hamas attacks against civilians and I don't support cutting access of 2 million people to electricity, food and water.

So, it looks like I am neutral.

You can include me in this mcchartist list.
Which are the consequences of being included in this black list?