Will the recent violence in the Gaza Strip lead to Hamas disbanding/being disbanded?

[WalterWhite]

Israel has stated that it intends to avenge anyone that was murdered by Hamas. Do you think that Hamas will disband itself/be disbanded because of this?

[Aurelius2]

Their control over Gaza will be terminated probably within a month or two. However, this does not mean the organization will cease to exist, far from it.

[PSOL]

No

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Unproven assumption at this stage.

[All Along The Watchtower]

Perhaps, but don't forget about the more powerful militant force just to Israel's North....

[Octowakandi]

If the rumors that Hamas is using weaponry seized from Afghanistan and sold by Ukrainians is true, occupying Gaza may not be as simple as we expected.

[Libertas Vel Mors]

If the rumors that Hamas is using weaponry seized from Afghanistan and sold by Ukrainians is true, occupying Gaza may not be as simple as we expected.

Given the depth of Israeli anger, that may not be a problem. I know mods are cracking down on people advocating for anything that would result in large numbers of civilian deaths, but I'm not advocating for anything here, simply discussing the possibility -- at this point, it is entirely possible that the Israeli response centers around destruction rather than occupation. As a viral social media post (21,000 likes in Hebrew) I saw a few minutes ago put it:

"במידה ולא נגיב כמו מטורפים ובחוסר פרופורציה שיזעזע את העולם שיגידו ישראל השתגעה זה יהיה סוף הסיפור שלנו."

"If we don't react like madmen and out of proportion that will shock the world if they say Israel has gone crazy, that will be the end of our story."

[PSOL]

The high number of dead Israelis sweeping every nook and cranny is something that is not possible under the current circumstances.

[oldtimer]

If the rumors that Hamas is using weaponry seized from Afghanistan and sold by Ukrainians is true, occupying Gaza may not be as simple as we expected.

Given the depth of Israeli anger, that may not be a problem. I know mods are cracking down on people advocating for anything that would result in large numbers of civilian deaths, but I'm not advocating for anything here, simply discussing the possibility -- at this point, it is entirely possible that the Israeli response centers around destruction rather than occupation. As a viral social media post (21,000 likes in Hebrew) I saw a few minutes ago put it:

"במידה ולא נגיב כמו מטורפים ובחוסר פרופורציה שיזעזע את העולם שיגידו ישראל השתגעה זה יהיה סוף הסיפור שלנו."

"If we don't react like madmen and out of proportion that will shock the world if they say Israel has gone crazy, that will be the end of our story."

If they do act like madmen the Democratic party will probably push for sanctions on Israel similar to that on Apartheid South Africa.

Over time it maybe inevitable due to partisan reactions against Republican support for Israel and political pressures by growing minorities in America, but biblical genocides by Israel will probably accelerate that to a 2024 election issue. 

[Frodo]

As satisfying as it would be to see Hamas wiped off the face of the earth, Gaza finally pacified and reoccupied so it would never again be a home for terrorists seeking to attack Israel (I would gladly support it), I doubt the Israeli government has such lofty ambitions.  

[PSOL]

As satisfying as it would be to see Hamas wiped off the face of the earth, Gaza finally pacified and reoccupied so it would never again be a home for terrorists seeking to attack Israel (I would gladly support it), I doubt the Israeli government has such lofty ambitions.  

Thank goodness they don’t have the capabilities to fulfill NAFO fantasies

[It’s so Joever]

If the rumors that Hamas is using weaponry seized from Afghanistan and sold by Ukrainians is true, occupying Gaza may not be as simple as we expected.

You freaks will do anything to genocide Ukrainians won’t you?

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Likud and Hamas only make each other stronger.

[Hnv1]

No as Bibi is chicken sh**t

[CumbrianLefty]

No as Bibi is chicken sh**t

Well that's an "interesting" take on him.

[Vosem]

Eventually, in the sense that the attitudes that caused the recent violence will eventually lead to Hamas being disbanded, yes. This is a specific example of the general failure mode of fascism; if you hold fast to a goal of territorial expansion and you try to use particularly brutal means to expand you will very quickly make more enemies than friends.

[PSOL]

Eventually, in the sense that the attitudes that caused the recent violence will eventually lead to Hamas being disbanded, yes. This is a specific example of the general failure mode of fascism; if you hold fast to a goal of territorial expansion and you try to use particularly brutal means to expand you will very quickly make more enemies than friends.

Idk bro they said the same thing about the ANC and look at what they have done. Palestine isn’t on some suicide mission, why do you think they didn’t engage in conventional pitched battles for so long, because they knew prior that they’d lose. Now they have the means and understanding to keep going to get that juicy victory on the ground.

[Vosem]

Eventually, in the sense that the attitudes that caused the recent violence will eventually lead to Hamas being disbanded, yes. This is a specific example of the general failure mode of fascism; if you hold fast to a goal of territorial expansion and you try to use particularly brutal means to expand you will very quickly make more enemies than friends.

Idk bro they said the same thing about the ANC and look at what they have done. Palestine isn’t on some suicide mission, why do you think they didn’t engage in conventional pitched battles for so long, because they knew prior that they’d lose. Now they have the means and understanding to keep going to get that juicy victory on the ground.

Who is they? (Where is the victory on the ground? Where are the conventional pitched battles?)

I think the essential differences here are that the ANC was not genocidal, whereas Palestinian liberationism invariably is; that the ANC existed in a context where they had support from most of the population; and that the ANC was competent enough to gradually gain international support over time, while Palestinian liberationism considered broadly has been losing international sympathy since sometime in the mid-1970s.

Victory for the ANC came not through pitched battles, but through a willingness to govern in a coalition with the National Party. In the different demographic context of Israel/Palestine, it's difficult to imagine Hamas agreeing to govern in a coalition with Likud (since they would be a junior partner and mostly be submitting to Likud's agenda, as the National Party mostly agreed to the ANC's agenda), but a willingness to do this would be the start of a path to peace.

[WalterWhite]

Eventually, in the sense that the attitudes that caused the recent violence will eventually lead to Hamas being disbanded, yes. This is a specific example of the general failure mode of fascism; if you hold fast to a goal of territorial expansion and you try to use particularly brutal means to expand you will very quickly make more enemies than friends.

Idk bro they said the same thing about the ANC and look at what they have done. Palestine isn’t on some suicide mission, why do you think they didn’t engage in conventional pitched battles for so long, because they knew prior that they’d lose. Now they have the means and understanding to keep going to get that juicy victory on the ground.

Hamas has 30K soldiers. The Israeli military has 160K soldiers. I doubt Hamas would stand much of a chance.

[Libertas Vel Mors]

Eventually, in the sense that the attitudes that caused the recent violence will eventually lead to Hamas being disbanded, yes. This is a specific example of the general failure mode of fascism; if you hold fast to a goal of territorial expansion and you try to use particularly brutal means to expand you will very quickly make more enemies than friends.

Idk bro they said the same thing about the ANC and look at what they have done. Palestine isn’t on some suicide mission, why do you think they didn’t engage in conventional pitched battles for so long, because they knew prior that they’d lose. Now they have the means and understanding to keep going to get that juicy victory on the ground.

I hope you understand that speaking about the slaughter of civilians as a “juicy victory on the ground” is reprehensible. Also, worth noting if we’re going with this analogy that the ANC only ever succeeded (despite, as Vosem noted, being a majority) through compromise with the whites, and that despite South Africa having a much larger population than Israel didn’t kill as many whites in total as Hamas murdered Jews in yesterday’s attack alone. Frankly, if the ANC had actually committed an attack like this, they probably wouldn’t have gained power except in very different circumstances, and given that South Africa had nukes quite possibly never.

[Peeperkorn]

Israel has stated that it intends to avenge anyone that was murdered by Hamas. Do you think that Hamas will disband itself/be disbanded because of this?

They're going to be annihilated and they deserve it.

[Meclazine for Israel]

Hamas are a bunch or murderers and it is telling to see that Yemen, Syria and Iran came straight out in full support.

Pack of clowns who will get what they deserve.

Islamic terrorists who are no different to 2001.

Just evil murderers.