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« Reply #7425 on: May 21, 2024, 03:55:05 PM »

The death toll lately has barely increased. What’s going on on the ground right now?
It either because the death toll is no longer being artificially inflated or they just can't accurately count it now.
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« Reply #7426 on: May 21, 2024, 05:49:32 PM »

The death toll lately has barely increased. What’s going on on the ground right now?
It either because the death toll is no longer being artificially inflated or they just can't accurately count it now.

Probably the latter.
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« Reply #7427 on: May 21, 2024, 05:51:53 PM »



Belgian Secretary of State will comply with the decision of the ICC

France, Spain and Germany also have issued statements that they'll respect the decisions of the ICC.
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« Reply #7428 on: May 21, 2024, 05:59:17 PM »








Norwegian Foreign Minister:

If there is an arrest warrant against Netanyahu and Gallant from the Hague Court, we will have to arrest them if they arrive in Norway.

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« Reply #7429 on: May 21, 2024, 06:00:08 PM »


Belgian Secretary of State will comply with the decision of the ICC

France, Spain and Germany also have issued statements that they'll respect the decisions of the ICC.
Well look like good ol pappy usa hungary netherlands and a few other western countries controlled by the right will accept bibi visiting them now.
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« Reply #7430 on: May 21, 2024, 06:03:23 PM »


France, Spain and Germany also have issued statements that they'll respect the decisions of the ICC.
Well look like good ol pappy usa hungary netherlands and a few other western countries controlled by the right will accept bibi visiting them now.

If you suddenly have to be proud of the fact that Hungary out of all nations will not comply with the ICC decision than that tells forum users more about who you are yourself than about anything else. i don't think you have to take pride at that fact. Hungary is an illiberal country that experiences democratic backsliding, something this forum unanimously agrees on.
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« Reply #7431 on: May 21, 2024, 06:30:36 PM »

Again, any of these countries will be informed in no uncertain terms that they are to release their Israeli captives or face massive retaliation. So it's likely that they'll simply choose not to host them.
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« Reply #7432 on: May 21, 2024, 06:38:00 PM »

Again, any of these countries will be informed in no uncertain terms that they are to release their Israeli captives or face massive retaliation. So it's likely that they'll simply choose not to host them.

Who are you expecting massive retaliation from if Netanyahu were arrested in, say, Norway? (Agreed that he just won't visit the countries abiding by the laws they abide to by participating in the ICC)
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« Reply #7433 on: May 21, 2024, 07:31:16 PM »

Again, any of these countries will be informed in no uncertain terms that they are to release their Israeli captives or face massive retaliation. So it's likely that they'll simply choose not to host them.

Where do these delusions of grandeur about Israel's non-existent superpower status come from? If any of the indicted are stupid enough to actually go to France and get themselves arrested, Israel won't be able to do anything. The IDF hasn't been able to capture more than half of Gaza, a miniscule patch of land on their borders, in nearly 8 months. This isn't 1967. What on Earth do you think they are going to do to a European power with a functioning army, navy, air force, and nuclear weapons program?
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« Reply #7434 on: May 21, 2024, 07:44:33 PM »

Again, any of these countries will be informed in no uncertain terms that they are to release their Israeli captives or face massive retaliation. So it's likely that they'll simply choose not to host them.

Retaliation?

In what way?

Throwing a nuke on belgium?
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« Reply #7435 on: May 21, 2024, 07:49:59 PM »

Again, any of these countries will be informed in no uncertain terms that they are to release their Israeli captives or face massive retaliation. So it's likely that they'll simply choose not to host them.

Retaliation?

In what way?

Throwing a nuke on belgium?

Well, that seems radical! And would be counterproductive if Israeli officials are being held there!

I think Israel would be far more likely to just take them back. Potentially immediately, given the quality of security force they would likely have on hand.
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« Reply #7436 on: May 21, 2024, 07:51:12 PM »

Again, any of these countries will be informed in no uncertain terms that they are to release their Israeli captives or face massive retaliation. So it's likely that they'll simply choose not to host them.

Who are you expecting massive retaliation from if Netanyahu were arrested in, say, Norway? (Agreed that he just won't visit the countries abiding by the laws they abide to by participating in the ICC)

The invade The Hague act applies to our Allies as well .
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« Reply #7437 on: May 21, 2024, 07:52:53 PM »

Again, any of these countries will be informed in no uncertain terms that they are to release their Israeli captives or face massive retaliation. So it's likely that they'll simply choose not to host them.

Where do these delusions of grandeur about Israel's non-existent superpower status come from? If any of the indicted are stupid enough to actually go to France and get themselves arrested, Israel won't be able to do anything. The IDF hasn't been able to capture more than half of Gaza, a miniscule patch of land on their borders, in nearly 8 months. This isn't 1967. What on Earth do you think they are going to do to a European power with a functioning army, navy, air force, and nuclear weapons program?

I mean, let's be real, Israel's forces are overwhelming compared to Gaza. If they had any intention of such, there simply wouldn't be a Gaza right now. They're being hamstrung by the desire to get the hostages back alive, but Gaza/Hamas isn't actually putting up anything near a real fight against them.

And there are only two western European nations with nuclear programs, both of which are highly unlikely to actually pick this fight. One would have to be extremely stupid to try to kidnap the Prime Minister of a nuclear nation, which is why this is likely to be a cold diplomatic standoff.
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« Reply #7438 on: May 21, 2024, 07:54:57 PM »
« Edited: May 21, 2024, 08:00:32 PM by LAKISYLVANIA »

Again, any of these countries will be informed in no uncertain terms that they are to release their Israeli captives or face massive retaliation. So it's likely that they'll simply choose not to host them.

Retaliation?

In what way?

Throwing a nuke on belgium?

Well, that seems radical! And would be counterproductive if Israeli officials are being held there!

I think Israel would be far more likely to just take them back. Potentially immediately, given the quality of security force they would likely have on hand.

That would be the violation of our integrity and would result in a direct war.

Did Spain declare war on us when we gave political asylum to Catalan separatist leader Carles Puigdemont.

Did we bomb Iran in threatening them to release European held prisoners in Iran?

This is not how you do diplomacy, but apparently warfare is the only vocabulary you are familiar with.

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« Reply #7439 on: May 21, 2024, 07:57:27 PM »

Besides we're a NATO member, this would trigger article 5

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The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognised by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.

Any such armed attack and all measures taken as a result thereof shall immediately be reported to the Security Council. Such measures shall be terminated when the Security Council has taken the measures necessary to restore and maintain international peace and security.
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« Reply #7440 on: May 21, 2024, 08:01:28 PM »

Again, any of these countries will be informed in no uncertain terms that they are to release their Israeli captives or face massive retaliation. So it's likely that they'll simply choose not to host them.

Retaliation?

In what way?

Throwing a nuke on belgium?

Well, that seems radical! And would be counterproductive if Israeli officials are being held there!

I think Israel would be far more likely to just take them back. Potentially immediately, given the quality of security force they would likely have on hand.

That would be the violation of our integrity and would result in a direct war.

Did Spain declare war on us when we gave political asylum to Catalan separatist leader Carles Puigdemont.

Did we bomb Iran in threatening them to release European held prisoners in Iran?

This is not how you do diplomacy, but apparently warfare is the only vocabulary you are familiar with.



It is not in fact a violation of your territorial integrity to prevent you from kidnapping a foreign leader.
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« Reply #7441 on: May 21, 2024, 08:04:01 PM »
« Edited: May 21, 2024, 08:07:16 PM by pppolitics »

Again, any of these countries will be informed in no uncertain terms that they are to release their Israeli captives or face massive retaliation. So it's likely that they'll simply choose not to host them.

Retaliation?

In what way?

Throwing a nuke on belgium?

Well, that seems radical! And would be counterproductive if Israeli officials are being held there!

I think Israel would be far more likely to just take them back. Potentially immediately, given the quality of security force they would likely have on hand.

That would be the violation of our integrity and would result in a direct war.

Did Spain declare war on us when we gave political asylum to Catalan separatist leader Carles Puigdemont.

Did we bomb Iran in threatening them to release European held prisoners in Iran?

This is not how you do diplomacy, but apparently warfare is the only vocabulary you are familiar with.



It is not in fact a violation of your territorial integrity to prevent you from kidnapping a foreign leader.

It's not kidnapping.

It's apprehending a fugitive.
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« Reply #7442 on: May 21, 2024, 08:07:48 PM »

Again, any of these countries will be informed in no uncertain terms that they are to release their Israeli captives or face massive retaliation. So it's likely that they'll simply choose not to host them.

Retaliation?

In what way?

Throwing a nuke on belgium?

Well, that seems radical! And would be counterproductive if Israeli officials are being held there!

I think Israel would be far more likely to just take them back. Potentially immediately, given the quality of security force they would likely have on hand.

That would be the violation of our integrity and would result in a direct war.

Did Spain declare war on us when we gave political asylum to Catalan separatist leader Carles Puigdemont.

Did we bomb Iran in threatening them to release European held prisoners in Iran?

This is not how you do diplomacy, but apparently warfare is the only vocabulary you are familiar with.



It is not in fact a violation of your territorial integrity to prevent you from kidnapping a foreign leader.

It's not kidnapping.

It's apprehending a fugitive.

If the ICC wants to act like a gang of global George Zimmermans, well, the finding out will come quickly.
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« Reply #7443 on: May 21, 2024, 08:10:48 PM »

Again, any of these countries will be informed in no uncertain terms that they are to release their Israeli captives or face massive retaliation. So it's likely that they'll simply choose not to host them.

Retaliation?

In what way?

Throwing a nuke on belgium?

Well, that seems radical! And would be counterproductive if Israeli officials are being held there!

I think Israel would be far more likely to just take them back. Potentially immediately, given the quality of security force they would likely have on hand.

That would be the violation of our integrity and would result in a direct war.

Did Spain declare war on us when we gave political asylum to Catalan separatist leader Carles Puigdemont.

Did we bomb Iran in threatening them to release European held prisoners in Iran?

This is not how you do diplomacy, but apparently warfare is the only vocabulary you are familiar with.



It is not in fact a violation of your territorial integrity to prevent you from kidnapping a foreign leader.

It's not kidnapping.

It's apprehending a fugitive.

If the ICC wants to act like a gang of global George Zimmermans, well, the finding out will come quickly.

A week ago you recommended a post in a petition where you openly supported banning users who are cheerleading on a genocidal maniac.



Than my question: what the hell do you think you are doing right now?
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« Reply #7444 on: May 21, 2024, 08:13:30 PM »

Again, any of these countries will be informed in no uncertain terms that they are to release their Israeli captives or face massive retaliation. So it's likely that they'll simply choose not to host them.

Retaliation?

In what way?

Throwing a nuke on belgium?

Well, that seems radical! And would be counterproductive if Israeli officials are being held there!

I think Israel would be far more likely to just take them back. Potentially immediately, given the quality of security force they would likely have on hand.

That would be the violation of our integrity and would result in a direct war.

Did Spain declare war on us when we gave political asylum to Catalan separatist leader Carles Puigdemont.

Did we bomb Iran in threatening them to release European held prisoners in Iran?

This is not how you do diplomacy, but apparently warfare is the only vocabulary you are familiar with.



It is not in fact a violation of your territorial integrity to prevent you from kidnapping a foreign leader.

It's not kidnapping.

It's apprehending a fugitive.

If the ICC wants to act like a gang of global George Zimmermans, well, the finding out will come quickly.

A week ago you recommended a post in a petition where you openly supported banning users who are cheerleading on a genocidal maniac.



Than my question: what the hell do you think you are doing right now?

Endorsing the right of the state of Israel to its self-defense in the unlikely event of its Prime Minister being captured by an unauthorized court functioning as an enemy.
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« Reply #7445 on: May 21, 2024, 08:15:02 PM »

Again, any of these countries will be informed in no uncertain terms that they are to release their Israeli captives or face massive retaliation. So it's likely that they'll simply choose not to host them.

Retaliation?

In what way?

Throwing a nuke on belgium?

Well, that seems radical! And would be counterproductive if Israeli officials are being held there!

I think Israel would be far more likely to just take them back. Potentially immediately, given the quality of security force they would likely have on hand.

That would be the violation of our integrity and would result in a direct war.

Did Spain declare war on us when we gave political asylum to Catalan separatist leader Carles Puigdemont.

Did we bomb Iran in threatening them to release European held prisoners in Iran?

This is not how you do diplomacy, but apparently warfare is the only vocabulary you are familiar with.



It is not in fact a violation of your territorial integrity to prevent you from kidnapping a foreign leader.

It's not kidnapping.

It's apprehending a fugitive.

If the ICC wants to act like a gang of global George Zimmermans, well, the finding out will come quickly.

You got that wrong.

Netanyahu is a criminal scum, like Zimmerman.

The big difference is that is what Zimmerman doesn't have the power to commit murder on a large scale.
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« Reply #7446 on: May 21, 2024, 08:15:56 PM »


Israeli cabinet ministers openly advocating for apartheid but forum members still trying to pretend these are fringe/unimportant figures who deserve the worlds support and aid.

It already was an apartheid state if you take a look at the West Bank.

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« Reply #7447 on: May 21, 2024, 08:16:58 PM »

Again, any of these countries will be informed in no uncertain terms that they are to release their Israeli captives or face massive retaliation. So it's likely that they'll simply choose not to host them.

Retaliation?

In what way?

Throwing a nuke on belgium?

Well, that seems radical! And would be counterproductive if Israeli officials are being held there!

I think Israel would be far more likely to just take them back. Potentially immediately, given the quality of security force they would likely have on hand.

That would be the violation of our integrity and would result in a direct war.

Did Spain declare war on us when we gave political asylum to Catalan separatist leader Carles Puigdemont.

Did we bomb Iran in threatening them to release European held prisoners in Iran?

This is not how you do diplomacy, but apparently warfare is the only vocabulary you are familiar with.



It is not in fact a violation of your territorial integrity to prevent you from kidnapping a foreign leader.

It's not kidnapping.

It's apprehending a fugitive.

If the ICC wants to act like a gang of global George Zimmermans, well, the finding out will come quickly.

A week ago you recommended a post in a petition where you openly supported banning users who are cheerleading on a genocidal maniac.



Than my question: what the hell do you think you are doing right now?

Endorsing the right of the state of Israel to its self-defense in the unlikely event of its Prime Minister being captured by an unauthorized court functioning as an enemy.

Self-defense is not annihilating one country from existence and killing tens of thousands of civilians, many of them children. That's not self-defence. That's genocide.
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« Reply #7448 on: May 21, 2024, 08:58:43 PM »
« Edited: May 21, 2024, 09:02:27 PM by Chancellor Tanterterg »



Belgian Secretary of State will comply with the decision of the ICC

France, Spain and Germany also have issued statements that they'll respect the decisions of the ICC.

My understanding is that France and Germany said they’d respect the independence of the ICC, but did not commit to enforcing the warrants.  Idk about Spain
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« Reply #7449 on: May 22, 2024, 12:45:28 AM »
« Edited: May 22, 2024, 12:55:29 AM by pppolitics »

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Based on the material it has reviewed, the Panel assesses that there are reasonable
grounds to believe that Netanyahu and Gallant made essential contributions to the
common plan to use starvation of civilians as a method of warfare and commit other
acts of violence against the civilian population. This is evidenced by their own
statements and the statements of other Israeli officials.
It is also evidenced by the
systematic nature of the crime, and the involvement of the suspects at the apex of the
Israeli governmental apparatus, with effective authority and control over their
subordinates and leadership positions in the War Cabinet and Security Cabinet, in
which all key decisions on the conduct of the war -- including blocking and limiting
humanitarian aid -- have been made. The Panel is also of the view that there are
reasonable grounds to believe that the suspects can be held responsible as superiors
given their knowledge of the crimes and the fact that they took no steps to prevent or
repress their subordinates who committed them.
https://www.icc-cpi.int/sites/default/files/2024-05/240520-panel-report-eng.pdf

Zionists on this sub keep insisting that those statements don't matter.

Not only do they matter, but they have been used as evidences by the court to issue arrest warrants for Netanyahu and Gallant.

This is also a lesson for other would-be criminals: If you are going to commit a crime, don't say it out loud.
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