Israel-Gaza war

[CumbrianLefty]

Hopefully the poor Israeli girl wins and shows this is just an ugly, loud minority.

Well the "Israeli girl" is actually a Russian who performed in Crimea after it was seized from Ukraine.

For that reason alone, I hope they don't win.

[GP270watch]

Biden admin says it’s ‘reasonable to assess’ Israel used American weapons in ways ‘inconsistent’ with international law

The Biden administration said Friday that it is “reasonable to assess” that US weapons have been used by Israeli forces in Gaza in ways that are “inconsistent” with international humanitarian law but stopped short of officially saying Israel violated the law.

The report which was drafted by the State Department said that investigations into potential violations are ongoing but noted that the US does “not have complete information to verify” whether the US weapons “were specifically used” in alleged violations of international humanitarian law.

“Given the nature of the conflict in Gaza, with Hamas seeking to hide behind civilian populations and infrastructure and expose them to Israeli military action, as well as the lack of USG personnel on the ground in Gaza, it is difficult to assess or reach conclusive findings on individual incidents. Nevertheless, given Israel’s significant reliance on U.S.-made defense articles, it is reasonable to assess that defense articles covered under NSM-20 have been used by Israeli security forces since October 7 in instances inconsistent with its IHL obligations or with established best practices for mitigating civilian harm,” the report said.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/10/politics/biden-israel-gaza-war-report

 Even the State Department has to admit what people have already known.

[Arizona Iced Tea]

Bibi is now making up lies in order to justify the invasion. How many allies died fighting the Nazi's? I'm pretty sure that number is somewhere in the millions.

[DaleCooper]

To be fair, the Allies didn't care much about the Holocaust until they realized how bad it was. Completely irrelevant to Netanyahu's behavior, though.

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

Yeah, the Holocaust played no role in the Allies going to war with Nazi Germany, and all three of the main Allies did very little to help the victims (with the US being the least egregious offender).

[Silent Hunter]

Yeah, the Holocaust played no role in the Allies going to war with Nazi Germany, and all three of the main Allies did very little to help the victims (with the US being the least egregious offender).

Indeed, coverage of the liberation of the camps tended to omit the fact that Jews were specifically targeted. Richard Dimbleby's broadcast from Bergen-Belsen had all references to Jews removed.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Bibi is now making up lies in order to justify the invasion. How many allies died fighting the Nazi's? I'm pretty sure that number is somewhere in the millions.

The only nations that can be said to have come to the aid of the Jewish people at all during the Holocaust were Bulgaria and Denmark.  And even there, it was only to a point.  The allies could have easily bombed the railroads leading to Auschwitz, Treblinka, Bergen-Belsen, Buchenwald, Dachau, etc.  They didn’t do so because they didn’t care.

[MyLifeIsYours]

https://twitter.com/LailaAlarian/status/1789388357786619970

[Silent Hunter]

The only nations that can be said to have come to the aid of the Jewish people at all during the Holocaust were Bulgaria and Denmark.  And even there, it was only to a point.  The allies could have easily bombed the railroads leading to Auschwitz, Treblinka, Bergen-Belsen, Buchenwald, Dachau, etc.  They didn’t do so because they didn’t care.

They couldn't have easily bombed the railways; for much of the war, many of the camps were out of range of Allied bombers and effective fighter cover. By the time bombing Auschwitz was a possibility, the Nazis had already murdered about four million I believe.

Also, hitting a target that small from the air wasn't something that could have been done reliably until Vietnam.

When the Allies went after railway infrastructure, it was against stations and yards. Even that involved some very heavy losses among bomber crews for limited effect at times.

Also, about a third of the murders were done by mass shootings, which could not have been prevented.

However, their visa policy could have been a lot less restrictive before the war.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

https://twitter.com/sahouraxo/status/1788696871449272750
Belgian television. Unimaginable in USA (and honestly, anywhere else outside Europe but for very different reasons).

Laki should be very proud. Europeans (people, not the government) in general have been the most overwhelmingly Pro-Palestinian voices in how much invested they are in supporting it. Seriously, looking online at people around my age it’s always some Western European who feels the most emotionally moved by the Palestinian cause.

In USA you see this in parts of the youth as well but the Israel institutional support and from older people is much bigger than anywhere else as well. So it’s much more of a 50/50 dispute where strong passion lies in both sides and if even protests against Israel are being criminalized, no way in hell something like that would appear on their TVs as some specific political speech is actively repressed within USA.

From outside the West, people have their positions/opinions on the matter but I wouldn’t say they’re as passionate about it as Westerners are, regardless of side. Which is why something like that would also never appear on TV while interrupting their usual programming, not out of repression or anything, people just don’t care as much to do that kind of stuff I think. Global South societies tend to be much more insular as the effect of globalization is not as strong to the levels of the West IMO.

This is an Union Strike.

We Condemn the Human Rights Violations committed by the State of Israel.

Additionally, Israel is actively suppressing Press Freedom.

Therefore we are Temporarily Interrupting our Broadcast.

#CeasefireNow
#StopGenocide

Saying it’s a genocide is literally Islamist propaganda and it’s beyond disgusting that Belgium is doing this

Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide

Approved and proposed for signature and ratification or accession by General Assembly resolution 260 A (III) of 9 December 1948 Entry into force: 12 January 1951, in accordance with article XIII

Article II
In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

[afleitch]

The first international declaration that a Holocaust was occurring was made by the United Nations on December 17 1942. What the Allies could 'do' was very much tied in with the overall military response to the conflict.

[It’s so Joever]

The explosion of antisemitism in Europe over Eurovision of all things (that repulsive statement from genocide extraordinaires Belgium, Greta (who has apparently declared mission accomplished on climate change) leading a lynch mob, singers from other countries being forced to publicly apologize for being friendly to the Israeli contestant, etc) has been really eye opening. Hopefully the poor Israeli girl wins and shows this is just an ugly, loud minority.

Cope Ukraine genocide lover.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

The first international declaration that a Holocaust was occurring was made by the United Nations on December 17 1942. What the Allies could 'do' was very much tied in with the overall military response to the conflict.

They could’ve bombed the railways.  They didn’t because, to put it bluntly, they couldn’t care less about dead Jews.

[afleitch]

The first international declaration that a Holocaust was occurring was made by the United Nations on December 17 1942. What the Allies could 'do' was very much tied in with the overall military response to the conflict.

They could’ve bombed the railways.  They didn’t because, to put it bluntly, they couldn’t care less about dead Jews.

F-ck sake man. Utterly crass.

[Open Source Intelligence]

Biden admin says it’s ‘reasonable to assess’ Israel used American weapons in ways ‘inconsistent’ with international law

The Biden administration said Friday that it is “reasonable to assess” that US weapons have been used by Israeli forces in Gaza in ways that are “inconsistent” with international humanitarian law but stopped short of officially saying Israel violated the law.

The report which was drafted by the State Department said that investigations into potential violations are ongoing but noted that the US does “not have complete information to verify” whether the US weapons “were specifically used” in alleged violations of international humanitarian law.

“Given the nature of the conflict in Gaza, with Hamas seeking to hide behind civilian populations and infrastructure and expose them to Israeli military action, as well as the lack of USG personnel on the ground in Gaza, it is difficult to assess or reach conclusive findings on individual incidents. Nevertheless, given Israel’s significant reliance on U.S.-made defense articles, it is reasonable to assess that defense articles covered under NSM-20 have been used by Israeli security forces since October 7 in instances inconsistent with its IHL obligations or with established best practices for mitigating civilian harm,” the report said.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/10/politics/biden-israel-gaza-war-report

 Even the State Department has to admit what people have already known.

I love the bullsh*t terminology. "It's reasonable to assess".

[afleitch]

It is helpful that the IDF document what they are doing even if no-one else can.

https://twitter.com/ytirawi/status/1789587485955072233

[CumbrianLefty]

The first international declaration that a Holocaust was occurring was made by the United Nations on December 17 1942. What the Allies could 'do' was very much tied in with the overall military response to the conflict.

They could’ve bombed the railways.  They didn’t because, to put it bluntly, they couldn’t care less about dead Jews.

It has already been explained that it wasn't as simple as just "bomb the railways, problem solved" - and even less so until the final stages of the war.

If you want evidence of a lot of Allied opinion being at best ambivalent about the Jews, then continued restrictions on Jewish entry throughout the conflict provide a much stronger example.

[Silent Hunter]

It has already been explained that it wasn't as simple as just "bomb the railways, problem solved" - and even less so until the final stages of the war.

If you want evidence of a lot of Allied opinion being at best ambivalent about the Jews, then continued restrictions on Jewish entry throughout the conflict provide a much stronger example.

After too; the British actively blocked people from going to Mandatory Palestine.

[Meclazine for Israel]

The first international declaration that a Holocaust was occurring was made by the United Nations on December 17 1942. What the Allies could 'do' was very much tied in with the overall military response to the conflict.

They could’ve bombed the railways.  They didn’t because, to put it bluntly, they couldn’t care less about dead Jews.

The Allies had other issues on their mind. They probably thought they were labour camps. Even with reports of mass killings, I doubt whether the Allies believed Auschwitz was killing ~1,500 Jews per day, mostly Hungarian and Polish.

A facility near Auschwitz was bombed, but only because the Allies thought it was making military equipment, which suggests their priority was to decrease Germany's weapons making capability.

Another example, the Russians who liberated Auschwitz knew nothing:

https://www.history.com/news/auschwitz-liberation-soviets-holocaust

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Bibi is now making up lies in order to justify the invasion. How many allies died fighting the Nazi's? I'm pretty sure that number is somewhere in the millions.

Is he talking about taking Jewish refugees? Because he's also wrong if that's what he's saying. the Dominican Republic essentially was taking unlimited Jewish refugees during the entire relevant period, and so was Shanghai before they got invaded by Japan.

[GoTfan]

The Allies initially didn't believe reports of extermination camps because they simply could not believe anyone could be that inhumane.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

The first international declaration that a Holocaust was occurring was made by the United Nations on December 17 1942. What the Allies could 'do' was very much tied in with the overall military response to the conflict.

They could’ve bombed the railways.  They didn’t because, to put it bluntly, they couldn’t care less about dead Jews.

The Allies had other issues on their mind. They probably thought they were labour camps. Even with reports of mass killings, I doubt whether the Allies believed Auschwitz was killing ~1,500 Jews per day, mostly Hungarian and Polish.

A facility near Auschwitz was bombed, but only because the Allies thought it was making military equipment, which suggests their priority was to decrease Germany's weapons making capability.

Another example, the Russians who liberated Auschwitz knew nothing:

https://www.history.com/news/auschwitz-liberation-soviets-holocaust

I prefer not to backseat drive the decisions that led to the defeat of the Axis.
The idea there was this set of obvious fix we could have done here or there and if our ancestors had done this allegedly obviously available course of action, then it would have been better, is very silly.

[Meclazine for Israel]

The first international declaration that a Holocaust was occurring was made by the United Nations on December 17 1942. What the Allies could 'do' was very much tied in with the overall military response to the conflict.

They could’ve bombed the railways.  They didn’t because, to put it bluntly, they couldn’t care less about dead Jews.

The Allies had other issues on their mind. They probably thought they were labour camps. Even with reports of mass killings, I doubt whether the Allies believed Auschwitz was killing ~1,500 Jews per day, mostly Hungarian and Polish.

A facility near Auschwitz was bombed, but only because the Allies thought it was making military equipment, which suggests their priority was to decrease Germany's weapons making capability.

Another example, the Russians who liberated Auschwitz knew nothing:

https://www.history.com/news/auschwitz-liberation-soviets-holocaust

I prefer not to backseat drive the decisions that led to the defeat of the Axis.
The idea there was this set of obvious fix we could have done here or there and if our ancestors had done this allegedly obviously available course of action, then it would have been better, is very silly.

It's a perplexity.

On one hand, from abroad, the scale seems unlikely. The methods up until 1941 were simple execution killings..

On the other hand, how do you not notice the disappearance and murder of 6 million Jewish people?

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

The first international declaration that a Holocaust was occurring was made by the United Nations on December 17 1942. What the Allies could 'do' was very much tied in with the overall military response to the conflict.

They could’ve bombed the railways.  They didn’t because, to put it bluntly, they couldn’t care less about dead Jews.

F-ck sake man. Utterly crass.

I’m sorry you feel that way, but it doesn’t make it any less true.  It wouldn’t have magically solved everything, but it would’ve helped.  Then you have the immigration/asylum restrictions, the post-conviction pardons/huge reductions in the sentences of most Nazis convicted at the subsequent Nuremberg trials to appease Adenauer, the way the British government at best willfully ignored reports about aspects of the Holocaust prior to the liberation of the camps at the end of the war, etc.  Respectfully, the governments and many regular folks in the countries simply didn’t care about dead Jews.  

It’s not crass to say so even if my bluntness offended your personal sensibilities, I’m just being brutally honest.  If Japan hadn’t attacked Pearl Harbor then the US never would’ve gotten involved, if Germany hadn’t attacked the USSR then the latter never would’ve gotten involved (and Stalin was a vicious anti-Semite himself), and if Germany had stopped after Czechoslovakia, then Britain and France never would’ve gotten involved (and re: France: that’s without even getting into Vichy).  Every single Jew in Germany, Austria, and Czechoslovakia could’ve been gassed and the allied governments wouldn’t have lifted a finger.  They might’ve made disapproving statements, but little more than that.  To pretend otherwise is extremely naive at best.

[GoTfan]

The first international declaration that a Holocaust was occurring was made by the United Nations on December 17 1942. What the Allies could 'do' was very much tied in with the overall military response to the conflict.

They could’ve bombed the railways.  They didn’t because, to put it bluntly, they couldn’t care less about dead Jews.

F-ck sake man. Utterly crass.

I’m sorry you feel that way, but it doesn’t make it any less true.  It wouldn’t have magically solved everything, but it would’ve helped.  Then you have the immigration/asylum restrictions, the post-conviction pardons/huge reductions in the sentences of most Nazis convicted at the subsequent Nuremberg trials to appease Adenauer, the way the British government at best willfully ignored reports about aspects of the Holocaust prior to the liberation of the camps at the end of the war, etc.  Respectfully, the governments and many regular folks in the countries simply didn’t care about dead Jews.  

It’s not crass to say so even if my bluntness offended your personal sensibilities, I’m just being brutally honest.  If Japan hadn’t attacked Pearl Harbor then the US never would’ve gotten involved, if Germany hadn’t attacked the USSR then the latter never would’ve gotten involved (and Stalin was a vicious anti-Semite himself), and if Germany had stopped after Czechoslovakia, then Britain and France never would’ve gotten involved (and re: France: that’s without even getting into Vichy).  Every single Jew in Germany, Austria, and Czechoslovakia could’ve been gassed and the allied governments wouldn’t have lifted a finger.  They might’ve made disapproving statements, but little more than that.  To pretend otherwise is extremely naive at best.

Again, there is evidence saying that the Allies just didn't believe someone could be that inhumane. Not to mention the fact that the Allies really didn't bomb any camps because of the fear of killing the inhabitants. Suggesting they could have bombed the railways is simplistic at best because they simply would've found other ways to do it.