Israel-Gaza war

[afleitch]

Utterly heartbreaking

https://twitter.com/save_children/status/1718623774440849643

[It’s so Joever]

I don’t think people understand just how p**sed Americans are right now. Since the pandemic, this is by far our most called issue and our office is swarming with calls, nearly unanimously demanding a ceasefire. While it started off a bit more mixed, at this point the calls are strongly against Israel’s actions.

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

I don’t think people understand just how p**sed Americans are right now. Since the pandemic, this is by far our most called issue and our office is swarming with calls, nearly unanimously demanding a ceasefire. While it started off a bit more mixed, at this point the calls are strongly against Israel’s actions.

We know exactly how pissed the minority that wants Israel to stop existing is. They've made that clear with every attempted pogrom they've launched since Hamas' genocide raids. That they're getting louder, more aggressive, and more violent as they work to export those horrors here is reason to oppose them harder and use every legal measure to shut them down, not to give them a hearing.

[OSR stands with Israel]

I don’t think people understand just how p**sed Americans are right now. Since the pandemic, this is by far our most called issue and our office is swarming with calls, nearly unanimously demanding a ceasefire. While it started off a bit more mixed, at this point the calls are strongly against Israel’s actions.

Activists don’t represent a majority of voters .

[Jingizu]

Bibi don’t care. No number of Palestinian dead is too much if he thinks he can squirm out of responsibility for SO MUCH of this nightmare. For that matter, no number of Israeli dead is too much if they’re the types of people who aren’t likely to vote for him (like IDF soldiers). An utterly vile individual leading an almost utterly vile coalition. Not surprising that he’s squandered so much of the international goodwill Israel had following Hamas’ barbarism.

[It’s so Joever]

It’s easy for everyone to claim “these callers don’t represent the people”, but when in the pst most of our calls were about what were considered “bread and butter issues” such as the economy, illegals immigration, and healthcare, one does raise some eyebrows. I will talk with my very pro-Jewish mother next weekend, if she is against Israel’s actions…that will be a MASSIVE red flag for me honestly.
Anyways OSR, you are the one who brings up your parents and family’s beliefs into everything, so don’t even start.

[Middle-aged Europe]

It’s easy for everyone to claim “these callers don’t represent the people”, but when in the pst most of our calls were about what were considered “bread and butter issues” such as the economy, illegals immigration, and healthcare, one does raise some eyebrows. I will talk with my very pro-Jewish mother next weekend, if she is against Israel’s actions…that will be a MASSIVE red flag for me honestly.
Anyways OSR, you are the one who brings up your parents and family’s beliefs into everything, so don’t even start.

People who call political parties or legislative offices on hot-button issues are never - not even remotely - representative. Almost fifteen years of professional experience tell me otherwise.

[It’s so Joever]

It’s easy for everyone to claim “these callers don’t represent the people”, but when in the pst most of our calls were about what were considered “bread and butter issues” such as the economy, illegals immigration, and healthcare, one does raise some eyebrows. I will talk with my very pro-Jewish mother next weekend, if she is against Israel’s actions…that will be a MASSIVE red flag for me honestly.
Anyways OSR, you are the one who brings up your parents and family’s beliefs into everything, so don’t even start.

People who call political parties or legislative offices on hot-button issues are never - not even remotely - representative. Almost fifteen years of professional experience tell me otherwise.

Obviously the population calling is not representative, if so then about 98% of America would be against Israel’s actions, but the numbers and enthusiasm really should be at least considered, especially the trend.

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

This is all highly organized. It's not just that it's not representative, it's that it's actively non-representative, with the intention of deceiving the pols and drowning out the majority.

They've also made their pet issue toxic. Note how all the reps suddenly calling for a temporary stop to the fighting are using the random term "humanitarian pause" because "Cease-fire" has become associated with the fringe.

[It’s so Joever]

This is all highly organized. It's not just that it's not representative, it's that it's actively non-representative, with the intention of deceiving the pols and drowning out the majority.

They've also made their pet issue toxic. Note how all the reps suddenly calling for a temporary stop to the fighting are using the random term "humanitarian pause" because "Cease-fire" has become associated with the fringe.

1. Almost everyone is saying ceasefire
2. Ignore this all you want just like you ignore the situation in Gaza, but it will come back to bite you

[Red Velvet]

I don’t think people understand just how p**sed Americans are right now. Since the pandemic, this is by far our most called issue and our office is swarming with calls, nearly unanimously demanding a ceasefire. While it started off a bit more mixed, at this point the calls are strongly against Israel’s actions.

Most politicians and people inside political bubbles have no contact with the average person even if they’re part of the same base. They assume people are stupid and will eventually align with most of the stuff they say.

Considering the US government justifies their position on Ukraine as based mostly under morality arguments instead of self-interest ones, it stimulates this mindset/goal amongst their own base. So when something like Israel/Palestine happens and the average person sees Israel having an extremely disproportionate reaction towards a place that’s already seen as weaker, people adopt the same position the “morality” argument pushes them to since they were stimulated to defend it before.

Difference is that “morality” and “self-interest” aligned before, making it convenient to stimulate a narrative based on “morals”. But they now enter in conflict, the correct thing goes against the self-interest involved in regards to Israel. Which makes people unable to justify a Pro-Israel position after there was seemingly a western consensus that morality > self-interest.

Of course, this wouldn’t be happening if a different culture was stimulated, one where the countries national interests were put in #1 place and valued as such. If people justified positions on these conflicts based on self-interests instead of pretending to be based on morality only when it’s more convenient to them, their people would likely understand and support the same position as them if only they were told the truth.

There’s nothing wrong about thinking of yourself first after all, but you cannot confuse people by lying to them on why you have the position you have otherwise that will eventually only turn against you. You have tons of idealistic progressive kids now wanting Israel to get its due after always being the main country in the world able to get away with everything because standards that apply to everyone else don’t apply to them. And since that “morality” narrative has been validated by the establishment mainstream, it only empowers them on that position.

Even if, by a “self-interest” perspective, Israel is way way more valuable asset to the American interest than a place like Ukraine is. Meaning that it was a mistake to stimulate a moral approach over a self-interest one in the very first place.

Then when someone like Trump gets elected, everyone is all shocked on why the democratic base doesn’t turn out lol. Democrats constantly play games with their own base, shifting whatever narrative logic they use in a frequent manner.

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

This is all highly organized. It's not just that it's not representative, it's that it's actively non-representative, with the intention of deceiving the pols and drowning out the majority.

They've also made their pet issue toxic. Note how all the reps suddenly calling for a temporary stop to the fighting are using the random term "humanitarian pause" because "Cease-fire" has become associated with the fringe.

1. Almost everyone is saying ceasefire
2. Ignore this all you want just like you ignore the situation in Gaza, but it will come back to bite you

You don't get that Biden can't stop this. No one can. After what Hamas has done, this is the path of action that ends with the least horror, and all the people advocating for radical moves are advocating for opening pandora's box.

[Yellowhammer]

This is all highly organized. It's not just that it's not representative, it's that it's actively non-representative, with the intention of deceiving the pols and drowning out the majority.

They've also made their pet issue toxic. Note how all the reps suddenly calling for a temporary stop to the fighting are using the random term "humanitarian pause" because "Cease-fire" has become associated with the fringe.

1. Almost everyone is saying ceasefire
2. Ignore this all you want just like you ignore the situation in Gaza, but it will come back to bite you

You don't get that Biden can't stop this. No one can. After what Hamas has done, this is the path of action that ends with the least horror, and all the people advocating for radical moves are advocating for opening pandora's box.

Israel is dependent on the United States for its existence.

[Horus]

This is all highly organized. It's not just that it's not representative, it's that it's actively non-representative, with the intention of deceiving the pols and drowning out the majority.

They've also made their pet issue toxic. Note how all the reps suddenly calling for a temporary stop to the fighting are using the random term "humanitarian pause" because "Cease-fire" has become associated with the fringe.

1. Almost everyone is saying ceasefire
2. Ignore this all you want just like you ignore the situation in Gaza, but it will come back to bite you

You don't get that Biden can't stop this. No one can. After what Hamas has done, this is the path of action that ends with the least horror, and all the people advocating for radical moves are advocating for opening pandora's box.

So they don't need our money then, got it.

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

This is all highly organized. It's not just that it's not representative, it's that it's actively non-representative, with the intention of deceiving the pols and drowning out the majority.

They've also made their pet issue toxic. Note how all the reps suddenly calling for a temporary stop to the fighting are using the random term "humanitarian pause" because "Cease-fire" has become associated with the fringe.

1. Almost everyone is saying ceasefire
2. Ignore this all you want just like you ignore the situation in Gaza, but it will come back to bite you

You don't get that Biden can't stop this. No one can. After what Hamas has done, this is the path of action that ends with the least horror, and all the people advocating for radical moves are advocating for opening pandora's box.

So they don't need our money then, got it.

That is money very well-spent to keep Israel restrained and cautious. What you're watching right now is Israel restrained and cautious.

[Horus]

This is all highly organized. It's not just that it's not representative, it's that it's actively non-representative, with the intention of deceiving the pols and drowning out the majority.

They've also made their pet issue toxic. Note how all the reps suddenly calling for a temporary stop to the fighting are using the random term "humanitarian pause" because "Cease-fire" has become associated with the fringe.

1. Almost everyone is saying ceasefire
2. Ignore this all you want just like you ignore the situation in Gaza, but it will come back to bite you

You don't get that Biden can't stop this. No one can. After what Hamas has done, this is the path of action that ends with the least horror, and all the people advocating for radical moves are advocating for opening pandora's box.

So they don't need our money then, got it.

That is money very well-spent to keep Israel restrained and cautious. What you're watching right now is Israel restrained and cautious.

So you're saying if Israel doesn't get our money they'll throw a tantrum and murder even more children? That's how spoiled kids blackmail weak willed parents.

[It’s so Joever]

This is all highly organized. It's not just that it's not representative, it's that it's actively non-representative, with the intention of deceiving the pols and drowning out the majority.

They've also made their pet issue toxic. Note how all the reps suddenly calling for a temporary stop to the fighting are using the random term "humanitarian pause" because "Cease-fire" has become associated with the fringe.

1. Almost everyone is saying ceasefire
2. Ignore this all you want just like you ignore the situation in Gaza, but it will come back to bite you

You don't get that Biden can't stop this. No one can. After what Hamas has done, this is the path of action that ends with the least horror, and all the people advocating for radical moves are advocating for opening pandora's box.

The radical move is enabling what is currently happening in Gaza with no restraints.

I am not personally blaming Biden, but plenty of people are. And covering your ears won’t help you out.

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

This is all highly organized. It's not just that it's not representative, it's that it's actively non-representative, with the intention of deceiving the pols and drowning out the majority.

They've also made their pet issue toxic. Note how all the reps suddenly calling for a temporary stop to the fighting are using the random term "humanitarian pause" because "Cease-fire" has become associated with the fringe.

1. Almost everyone is saying ceasefire
2. Ignore this all you want just like you ignore the situation in Gaza, but it will come back to bite you

You don't get that Biden can't stop this. No one can. After what Hamas has done, this is the path of action that ends with the least horror, and all the people advocating for radical moves are advocating for opening pandora's box.

So they don't need our money then, got it.

That is money very well-spent to keep Israel restrained and cautious. What you're watching right now is Israel restrained and cautious.

So you're saying if Israel doesn't get our money they'll throw a tantrum and murder even more children? That's how spoiled teens blackmail weak willed parents.

Gross misrepresentation based on data provided solely by Hamas-run bureaus aside, how did you think this was going to go? Did you think Hamas could commit the worst act of anti-Jewish genocide since the Holocaust and not have all hell rain down on them? This is what total war looks like, and Hamas started that war.

And it'll stay a conventional, contained war as long as Israel knows the world's greatest power is on its side - something the vast majority of the US public supports.

[Horus]

This is all highly organized. It's not just that it's not representative, it's that it's actively non-representative, with the intention of deceiving the pols and drowning out the majority.

They've also made their pet issue toxic. Note how all the reps suddenly calling for a temporary stop to the fighting are using the random term "humanitarian pause" because "Cease-fire" has become associated with the fringe.

1. Almost everyone is saying ceasefire
2. Ignore this all you want just like you ignore the situation in Gaza, but it will come back to bite you

You don't get that Biden can't stop this. No one can. After what Hamas has done, this is the path of action that ends with the least horror, and all the people advocating for radical moves are advocating for opening pandora's box.

So they don't need our money then, got it.

That is money very well-spent to keep Israel restrained and cautious. What you're watching right now is Israel restrained and cautious.

So you're saying if Israel doesn't get our money they'll throw a tantrum and murder even more children? That's how spoiled teens blackmail weak willed parents.

Gross misrepresentation based on data provided solely by Hamas-run bureaus aside, how did you think this was going to go? Did you think Hamas could commit the worst act of anti-Jewish genocide since the Holocaust and not have all hell rain down on them? This is what total war looks like, and Hamas started that war.

And it'll stay a conventional, contained war as long as Israel knows the world's greatest power is on its side - something the vast majority of the US public supports.

If Israel being cautious still means "all hell rains down on them" what do you think their reaction would be if we stopped funding them?

[It’s so Joever]

This is all highly organized. It's not just that it's not representative, it's that it's actively non-representative, with the intention of deceiving the pols and drowning out the majority.

They've also made their pet issue toxic. Note how all the reps suddenly calling for a temporary stop to the fighting are using the random term "humanitarian pause" because "Cease-fire" has become associated with the fringe.

1. Almost everyone is saying ceasefire
2. Ignore this all you want just like you ignore the situation in Gaza, but it will come back to bite you

You don't get that Biden can't stop this. No one can. After what Hamas has done, this is the path of action that ends with the least horror, and all the people advocating for radical moves are advocating for opening pandora's box.

So they don't need our money then, got it.

That is money very well-spent to keep Israel restrained and cautious. What you're watching right now is Israel restrained and cautious.

But that money only keeps them restrained if we don’t have idiots telling them they will get support no matter what, that’s how leverage works. Israel is NOT acting restrained right now because we have not even threatened to discipline them. It’s like if a child is raised with zero rules and boundaries.

[It’s so Joever]

This is all highly organized. It's not just that it's not representative, it's that it's actively non-representative, with the intention of deceiving the pols and drowning out the majority.

They've also made their pet issue toxic. Note how all the reps suddenly calling for a temporary stop to the fighting are using the random term "humanitarian pause" because "Cease-fire" has become associated with the fringe.

1. Almost everyone is saying ceasefire
2. Ignore this all you want just like you ignore the situation in Gaza, but it will come back to bite you

You don't get that Biden can't stop this. No one can. After what Hamas has done, this is the path of action that ends with the least horror, and all the people advocating for radical moves are advocating for opening pandora's box.

So they don't need our money then, got it.

That is money very well-spent to keep Israel restrained and cautious. What you're watching right now is Israel restrained and cautious.

So you're saying if Israel doesn't get our money they'll throw a tantrum and murder even more children? That's how spoiled teens blackmail weak willed parents.

Gross misrepresentation based on data provided solely by Hamas-run bureaus aside, how did you think this was going to go? Did you think Hamas could commit the worst act of anti-Jewish genocide since the Holocaust and not have all hell rain down on them? This is what total war looks like, and Hamas started that war.

And it'll stay a conventional, contained war as long as Israel knows the world's greatest power is on its side - something the vast majority of the US public supports.

You are not telling that to us, you are telling this to yourself.

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

This is all highly organized. It's not just that it's not representative, it's that it's actively non-representative, with the intention of deceiving the pols and drowning out the majority.

They've also made their pet issue toxic. Note how all the reps suddenly calling for a temporary stop to the fighting are using the random term "humanitarian pause" because "Cease-fire" has become associated with the fringe.

1. Almost everyone is saying ceasefire
2. Ignore this all you want just like you ignore the situation in Gaza, but it will come back to bite you

You don't get that Biden can't stop this. No one can. After what Hamas has done, this is the path of action that ends with the least horror, and all the people advocating for radical moves are advocating for opening pandora's box.

So they don't need our money then, got it.

That is money very well-spent to keep Israel restrained and cautious. What you're watching right now is Israel restrained and cautious.

So you're saying if Israel doesn't get our money they'll throw a tantrum and murder even more children? That's how spoiled teens blackmail weak willed parents.

Gross misrepresentation based on data provided solely by Hamas-run bureaus aside, how did you think this was going to go? Did you think Hamas could commit the worst act of anti-Jewish genocide since the Holocaust and not have all hell rain down on them? This is what total war looks like, and Hamas started that war.

And it'll stay a conventional, contained war as long as Israel knows the world's greatest power is on its side - something the vast majority of the US public supports.

You are not telling that to us, you are telling this to yourself.

The polls have been very clear. You are allowing the carefully trained unison howls of the well-organized forces of global Judenhass to fool you. You're not the only one - that's their intention - but our government knows exactly what it's doing.

[WalterWhite]

I have not kept up with this thread. Have the reports of Israel using white phosphorus been confirmed? If so, how is that Israel being "cautious"?

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

Anecdotally I've seen and heard a lot of normies getting less comfortable with Israel's actions. Walking into my apartment building and overhearing my middle-aged Black doorman talking about child casualties in Gaza as a "disproportionate response" is probably not something that would have happened a decade ago. Claiming this is the same "minority" as always is wishcasting.

And Online absolutely can be representative. If not only many mainstream Democrats, but also Piers Morgan and Cindy McCain, are getting cold feet, where is the general public moving? And this is where polls become an issue--the ones released after October 7th and the ones released now are not showing the same things.
https://twitter.com/USA_Polling/status/1717972026890060132?s=20

[Horus]

Anecdotally I've seen and heard a lot of normies getting less comfortable with Israel's actions. Walking into my apartment building and overhearing my middle-aged Black doorman talking about child casualties in Gaza as a "disproportionate response" is probably not something that would have happened a decade ago. Claiming this is the same "minority" as always is wishcasting.

And Online absolutely can be representative. If not only many mainstream Democrats, but also Piers Morgan and Cindy McCain, are getting cold feet, where is the general public moving? And this is where polls become an issue--the ones released after October 7th and the ones released now are not showing the same things.
https://twitter.com/USA_Polling/status/1717972026890060132?s=20

In 10 years time or so I'm guessing we'll be like the UK with about a third of the country in each camp. A huge proportion of Israel lovers are geriatric. A lot of younger conservatives are anti Israel too, or at least wanna stop the funding.