Israel-Gaza war

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

The presence of a certain person and their slipping back into judenhass rhetoric only a few weeks after being unbanned feels like a dramatic security failure on the part of the mods.

[Clarko95 📚💰📈]

The mood here in Neukölln has been almost festive, it's so disgusting.

There have been reports of harassment as well, both against individual and the media, such as this:

On Saturday afternoon, a camera team from Welt TV, collecting reactions to the attack on Israel, was threatened in Berlin-Neukölln. A group of individuals forced the team to delete their footage. We urge the authorities to take necessary steps in response to this assault on the freedom of the press.

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

https://twitter.com/GoodGrimey/status/1711041078663524736?t=0ieMrYjpVOSjOoxAmdMr...
https://twitter.com/quendergeer/status/1711345809856340397?s=20
https://twitter.com/tompars/status/1711347609799991402?s=20
Israel benefits quite a bit from the fact that most people don't know Hebrew.

So because IDF members make tshirts that dehumanize Palestinian people somehow justified Hamas rolling in and murdering hundreds of innocent civilians?

I'm going to get banned here, but I don't care: would you do humanity a favor and jump off the nearest rooftop?

Thanks mods.

Go back to the lake and stay there. I'm posting an official Israeli statement that wasn't translated by English-language media.

[jojoju1998]

Two thoughts:

1. Wow this thread sucks.
2. Wow you guys SUCK.

If there's a thread that makes a solid argument for me leaving this forum because of insane ass bullsh**t, this one is it.  I've heard enough genocide fantasies on both sides to make me understand why some folks want to live in Mars.

-The Man

The irony is that Hamas played into Israel's hand. They have undercut the Palestinian cause for the next 20-30 years, perhaps even longer.

[Devout Centrist]

https://twitter.com/GoodGrimey/status/1711041078663524736?t=0ieMrYjpVOSjOoxAmdMr...
https://twitter.com/quendergeer/status/1711345809856340397?s=20
https://twitter.com/tompars/status/1711347609799991402?s=20
Israel benefits quite a bit from the fact that most people don't know Hebrew.

Yeah, these sentiments are evil. How does this justify Hamas murdering civilians?

[WalterWhite]

There will be a refugee crisis because of this war, like there is with EVERY war. I imagine the Biden administration would be very welcoming of refugees (like most Democrats are), but it will probably be more of a mixed bag in Europe. In either case, it is essential that governments do not repeat the mistake they made in WWII of denying refugees entering their countries.

I can assure you that no one in Europe wants even one of these murderous and mentally deranged "Palestinians". The entire Gaza strips needs thirty years of deprogramming to come to its senses.

Polling indicates that about 75% of Palestinians support Israel's right to exist. I am pretty sure only a fraction of the remaining 25% support Hamas' actions a few days ago. Plus, there will also be a lot of Israeli refugees, who clearly do not support Hamas' actions.

I doubt there will be a major national security risk in accepting refugees as there is probably very little overlap between those who want to flee violence (refugees) and those who want to engage in violence (Hamas).

[Meclazine for Israel]

No Food, No Water, No Electricity

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-10-09/israeli-forces-descend-on-hamas-militants/102952436


Israel's Iron Dome anti-missile system intercepts rockets launched from the Gaza Strip above the city of Ashkelon. (Reuters: Amir Cohen)

Defence Minister Yoav Galland said in a video message that Israel would be "putting a complete siege on Gaza".

"No electricity, no goods, no water, no gas — it's all closed," he said.

Total blockade of the Gaza Strip by the Israeli's.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

There are indications that tensions are building on the Israel-Lebanon border.

[lfromnj]

There will be a refugee crisis because of this war, like there is with EVERY war. I imagine the Biden administration would be very welcoming of refugees (like most Democrats are), but it will probably be more of a mixed bag in Europe. In either case, it is essential that governments do not repeat the mistake they made in WWII of denying refugees entering their countries.

I can assure you that no one in Europe wants even one of these murderous and mentally deranged "Palestinians". The entire Gaza strips needs thirty years of deprogramming to come to its senses.

Polling indicates that about 75% of Palestinians support Israel's right to exist. I am pretty sure only a fraction of the remaining 25% support Hamas' actions a few days ago. Plus, there will also be a lot of Israeli refugees, who clearly do not support Hamas' actions.

I doubt there will be a major national security risk in accepting refugees as there is probably very little overlap between those who wants to flee violence (refugees) and those who want to engage in violence (Hamas).

Why are there no protests against Hamas in the West Bank then and only celebrations?

[WalterWhite]

No Food, No Water, No Electricity

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-10-09/israeli-forces-descend-on-hamas-militants/102952436


Israel's Iron Dome anti-missile system intercepts rockets launched from the Gaza Strip above the city of Ashkelon. (Reuters: Amir Cohen)

Defence Minister Yoav Galland said in a video message that Israel would be "putting a complete siege on Gaza".

"No electricity, no goods, no water, no gas — it's all closed," he said.

Total blockade of the Gaza Strip by the Israeli's.

Does this mean that refugees will be blocked from leaving?

[LAKISYLVANIA]

There will be a refugee crisis because of this war, like there is with EVERY war. I imagine the Biden administration would be very welcoming of refugees (like most Democrats are), but it will probably be more of a mixed bag in Europe. In either case, it is essential that governments do not repeat the mistake they made in WWII of denying refugees entering their countries.

I can assure you that no one in Europe wants even one of these murderous and mentally deranged "Palestinians". The entire Gaza strips needs thirty years of deprogramming to come to its senses.

Polling indicates that about 75% of Palestinians support Israel's right to exist. I am pretty sure only a fraction of the remaining 25% support Hamas' actions a few days ago. Plus, there will also be a lot of Israeli refugees, who clearly do not support Hamas' actions.

I doubt there will be a major national security risk in accepting refugees as there is probably very little overlap between those who wants to flee violence (refugees) and those who want to engage in violence (Hamas).

Why are there no protests against Hamas in the West Bank then and only celebrations?

Because the country is literally oppressed by Israel.

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

https://twitter.com/GoodGrimey/status/1711041078663524736?t=0ieMrYjpVOSjOoxAmdMr...
https://twitter.com/quendergeer/status/1711345809856340397?s=20
https://twitter.com/tompars/status/1711347609799991402?s=20
Israel benefits quite a bit from the fact that most people don't know Hebrew.

Yeah, these sentiments are evil. How does this justify Hamas murdering civilians?

Again--what does my condemnation of Hamas do for Israelis, Palestinians, or anyone else? They're reactionary Islamists whose presence at the forefront of the Palestinian movement is both shameful and a direct consequence of Shamir's own propping-up of them against a PLO which has since recognized Israel and gotten nothing for it.

[Meclazine for Israel]

-Snip-

Does this mean that refugees will be blocked from leaving?

They are leaving according to the Live Stream.

Most likely leaving to another part of Gaza where the Israeli's want them to go.

"Residents of the Gaza Strip, specifically the area of Abasan al-Kabira, Abasan al-Saghira & the area of Khirbet Khuza'a, pay attention."

"You must go immediately to Khan Yunis city center"

Khan Yunis is right down the bottom of the strip near Rafah.

Looks like the Israeli's will pummel the northern half of Gaza and do this section by section. The Palestinians are moving South into schools and public buildings.

I left the bass up on this video, and even I found the bombing quite ominous. The artillery (or missiles) getting closer has overwhelmed people who, over the last few hours, were all packing their stuff and leaving (in the area shown).

The Israeli's are lighting up Gaza City like a christmas tree.

Gaza Live Stream

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcPPJqKsTR8

Big Explosions occurring at:

11:11:11
17:29:50
17:46:10
17:56:00
18:06:40


Smoke rises over buildings as the Israeli airstrikes continue in Gaza City, Gaza, on October 9. Ashraf Amra/Anadolu Agency/Getty Images

Israeli forces are currently conducting "wide-scale strikes" on several "strategic" centers in Gaza belonging to Hamas, the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) said in a statement Monday.

https://edition.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/israel-hamas-gaza-attack-10-09-23/h_adebb4147fc4a83751908555ec54b8c0



CNN are now reporting that the Israeli's are getting the fighting in their territory under control where the red squares are shown.

For the US to move 4 Destroyers, a Cruiser and an Aircraft Carrier right next to the area of concern, you would have to imagine the US has intelligence that Hezbollah and Iran have something bigger planned to drag this out over multiple fronts, something the Israeli's cannot afford to happen.

[Vosem]

There will be a refugee crisis because of this war, like there is with EVERY war. I imagine the Biden administration would be very welcoming of refugees (like most Democrats are), but it will probably be more of a mixed bag in Europe. In either case, it is essential that governments do not repeat the mistake they made in WWII of denying refugees entering their countries.

I can assure you that no one in Europe wants even one of these murderous and mentally deranged "Palestinians". The entire Gaza strips needs thirty years of deprogramming to come to its senses.

Polling indicates that about 75% of Palestinians support Israel's right to exist. I am pretty sure only a fraction of the remaining 25% support Hamas' actions a few days ago. Plus, there will also be a lot of Israeli refugees, who clearly do not support Hamas' actions.

I doubt there will be a major national security risk in accepting refugees as there is probably very little overlap between those who wants to flee violence (refugees) and those who want to engage in violence (Hamas).

Why are there no protests against Hamas in the West Bank then and only celebrations?

Because the country is literally oppressed by Israel. Kinda makes sense to celebrate the attacks - based on the sh**t they have to endure - even during peaceful times, sh**t you don't care about, in part because you don't live there.

Great inversion of the truth here! Actuality, oppression comes from threats to annihilate a people, and not from being richer than another in an abstract way. Thanks, sweetie.

[jojoju1998]

There will be a refugee crisis because of this war, like there is with EVERY war. I imagine the Biden administration would be very welcoming of refugees (like most Democrats are), but it will probably be more of a mixed bag in Europe. In either case, it is essential that governments do not repeat the mistake they made in WWII of denying refugees entering their countries.

I can assure you that no one in Europe wants even one of these murderous and mentally deranged "Palestinians". The entire Gaza strips needs thirty years of deprogramming to come to its senses.

Polling indicates that about 75% of Palestinians support Israel's right to exist. I am pretty sure only a fraction of the remaining 25% support Hamas' actions a few days ago. Plus, there will also be a lot of Israeli refugees, who clearly do not support Hamas' actions.

I doubt there will be a major national security risk in accepting refugees as there is probably very little overlap between those who wants to flee violence (refugees) and those who want to engage in violence (Hamas).

Why are there no protests against Hamas in the West Bank then and only celebrations?

Because the country is literally oppressed by Israel. Kinda makes sense to celebrate the attacks - based on the sh**t they have to endure - even during peaceful times, sh**t you don't care about, in part because you don't live there.

Great inversion of the truth here! Actuality, oppression comes from threats to annihilate a people, and not from being richer than another in an abstract way. Thanks, sweetie.

I always will point out this irony though; even if Palestine become independent, their pariah status in the eyes of the West, will mean that they will become dependent on countries like Russia, China, Iran,


which undercuts the whole independence argument.

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

There will be a refugee crisis because of this war, like there is with EVERY war. I imagine the Biden administration would be very welcoming of refugees (like most Democrats are), but it will probably be more of a mixed bag in Europe. In either case, it is essential that governments do not repeat the mistake they made in WWII of denying refugees entering their countries.

I can assure you that no one in Europe wants even one of these murderous and mentally deranged "Palestinians". The entire Gaza strips needs thirty years of deprogramming to come to its senses.

Polling indicates that about 75% of Palestinians support Israel's right to exist. I am pretty sure only a fraction of the remaining 25% support Hamas' actions a few days ago. Plus, there will also be a lot of Israeli refugees, who clearly do not support Hamas' actions.

I doubt there will be a major national security risk in accepting refugees as there is probably very little overlap between those who wants to flee violence (refugees) and those who want to engage in violence (Hamas).

Why are there no protests against Hamas in the West Bank then and only celebrations?

They see the incursion, and its initial successes in catching the IDF off-guard, as a victory against the state which has been brutalizing them and stealing their land since 1967. Unfortunately, this also leads to a callousness towards the real civilian casualties, but you would hear the exact same and worse about Palestinians as a whole from any vox pop interview of Israeli Jews in the streets of Haifa. This isn't hard.

[LAKISYLVANIA]

There will be a refugee crisis because of this war, like there is with EVERY war. I imagine the Biden administration would be very welcoming of refugees (like most Democrats are), but it will probably be more of a mixed bag in Europe. In either case, it is essential that governments do not repeat the mistake they made in WWII of denying refugees entering their countries.

I can assure you that no one in Europe wants even one of these murderous and mentally deranged "Palestinians". The entire Gaza strips needs thirty years of deprogramming to come to its senses.

Polling indicates that about 75% of Palestinians support Israel's right to exist. I am pretty sure only a fraction of the remaining 25% support Hamas' actions a few days ago. Plus, there will also be a lot of Israeli refugees, who clearly do not support Hamas' actions.

I doubt there will be a major national security risk in accepting refugees as there is probably very little overlap between those who wants to flee violence (refugees) and those who want to engage in violence (Hamas).

Why are there no protests against Hamas in the West Bank then and only celebrations?

Because the country is literally oppressed by Israel. Kinda makes sense to celebrate the attacks - based on the sh**t they have to endure - even during peaceful times, sh**t you don't care about, in part because you don't live there.

Great inversion of the truth here! Actuality, oppression comes from threats to annihilate a people, and not from being richer than another in an abstract way. Thanks, sweetie.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2022/02/israels-system-of-apartheid/

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

https://twitter.com/UNIFIL_/status/1711377866829475853
Puts Washington sending a carrier there in a bit of a new light. Though we still can't say much for certain about how this might escalate and how quickly.

[Aurelius2]

There will be a refugee crisis because of this war, like there is with EVERY war. I imagine the Biden administration would be very welcoming of refugees (like most Democrats are), but it will probably be more of a mixed bag in Europe. In either case, it is essential that governments do not repeat the mistake they made in WWII of denying refugees entering their countries.

I can assure you that no one in Europe wants even one of these murderous and mentally deranged "Palestinians". The entire Gaza strips needs thirty years of deprogramming to come to its senses.

Polling indicates that about 75% of Palestinians support Israel's right to exist. I am pretty sure only a fraction of the remaining 25% support Hamas' actions a few days ago. Plus, there will also be a lot of Israeli refugees, who clearly do not support Hamas' actions.

I doubt there will be a major national security risk in accepting refugees as there is probably very little overlap between those who wants to flee violence (refugees) and those who want to engage in violence (Hamas).

Why are there no protests against Hamas in the West Bank then and only celebrations?

Because the country is literally oppressed by Israel. Kinda makes sense to celebrate the attacks - based on the sh**t they have to endure - even during peaceful times, sh**t you don't care about, in part because you don't live there.

Great inversion of the truth here! Actuality, oppression comes from threats to annihilate a people, and not from being richer than another in an abstract way. Thanks, sweetie.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2022/02/israels-system-of-apartheid/

>Amnesty

lmao

[Devout Centrist]

Again--what does my condemnation of Hamas do for Israelis, Palestinians, or anyone else? They're reactionary Islamists whose presence at the forefront of the Palestinian movement is both shameful and a direct consequence of Shamir's own propping-up of them against a PLO which has since recognized Israel and gotten nothing for it.

Twofold answer here:

1. You have been more than happy to offer strong condemnations of both the Israeli state (justifiable) and Israeli citizens (rather suspect amidst a genuinely horrific terrorist attack). “What does my condemnation of Hamas do for Israelis and Palestinians” is a complete non sequitur - we both understand that many Israelis are deeply racist against Palestinians, but the way you frame it here takes you genuinely close to apologizing for the massacres of attempting to redirect the conversation.

2. There is definitely blame for the Israeli Right and Far Right here, particularly in propping up Hamas to support their political goals. However, it should be noted that Hamas is not merely a product of outside circumstances and reflects a worrying trend of extreme political actors seizing power for their own personal gain at the expense of the Palestinian Authority.

[LAKISYLVANIA]

There will be a refugee crisis because of this war, like there is with EVERY war. I imagine the Biden administration would be very welcoming of refugees (like most Democrats are), but it will probably be more of a mixed bag in Europe. In either case, it is essential that governments do not repeat the mistake they made in WWII of denying refugees entering their countries.

I can assure you that no one in Europe wants even one of these murderous and mentally deranged "Palestinians". The entire Gaza strips needs thirty years of deprogramming to come to its senses.

Polling indicates that about 75% of Palestinians support Israel's right to exist. I am pretty sure only a fraction of the remaining 25% support Hamas' actions a few days ago. Plus, there will also be a lot of Israeli refugees, who clearly do not support Hamas' actions.

I doubt there will be a major national security risk in accepting refugees as there is probably very little overlap between those who wants to flee violence (refugees) and those who want to engage in violence (Hamas).

Why are there no protests against Hamas in the West Bank then and only celebrations?

Because the country is literally oppressed by Israel. Kinda makes sense to celebrate the attacks - based on the sh**t they have to endure - even during peaceful times, sh**t you don't care about, in part because you don't live there.

Great inversion of the truth here! Actuality, oppression comes from threats to annihilate a people, and not from being richer than another in an abstract way. Thanks, sweetie.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2022/02/israels-system-of-apartheid/

>Amnesty

lmao

That's a comment someone who doesn't care about human rights would post.

[Middle-aged Europe]

https://twitter.com/POLITICOEurope/status/1711384192435556383

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

Again--what does my condemnation of Hamas do for Israelis, Palestinians, or anyone else? They're reactionary Islamists whose presence at the forefront of the Palestinian movement is both shameful and a direct consequence of Shamir's own propping-up of them against a PLO which has since recognized Israel and gotten nothing for it.

Twofold answer here:

1. You have been more than happy to offer strong condemnations of both the Israeli state (justifiable) and Israeli citizens (rather suspect amidst a genuinely horrific terror attack). “What does my condemnation of Hamas do for Israelis and Palestinians” is a complete non sequitur - we both understand that many Israelis are deeply racist against Palestinians, but the way you frame it here takes you genuinely close to apologizing for the massacres of attempting to redirect the conversation.

2. There is definitely blame for the Israeli Right and Far Right here, particularly in propping up Hamas to support their political goals. However, it should be noted that Hamas is not merely a product of outside circumstances and reflects a worrying trend of extreme political actors seizing power for their own personal gain at the expense of the Palestinian Authority.

Israel is the ultimate aggressor and the entire Israeli-Palestinian conflict (as opposed to the broader Arab-Israeli conflict, which essentially ended in 1973) is rooted in the occupation. The fact that Hamas was able to seize power against a weak Palestinian Authority was possible because the Palestinian Authority is not allowed to be an actual state with enforcement powers!

[Vosem]

Back in 2013, I embraced 21st-century American protest culture and complained to the school administraton about an Amnesty International group being started at my high school. (I think they ended up basically just renaming themselves, unfortunately.) Good times. (The club consisted of four girls, two of whom were sisters, whose parents had encouraged them to do it, more so out of college-prep fervor than any political feelings. I talked to one of the sisters I had a mutual friend with but she was absolutely bewildered by the complaint.)

No peace with those guys until they reject all sympathy for Palestinian liberationism, and until they can watch its destruction and have it spark joy.

But, no, over a decade I've been dead set against those guys.

[Cassius]

Israeli helicopters reported over southern Lebanon.