Annual Government Shutdown Megathread (Cycle ends with Momentary Shutdown)

[Libertas Vel Mors]

No other country lets this happen. We are a laughing stock...well, more so.

We should shut down the government more, actually. Our Congressmen need to do more to break the spending cartel that is robbing us.

I, too, remember how cool it was to be an edgy 14 year old

18!

[Sumner 1868]

This is basically done for the sake of tradition at this point. At since they've never really faced serious consequences for it, they do it anytime they have the House under a Democratic President.

[Libertas Vel Mors]

One wonders what it will take for supposedly reasonable conservatives. The two party system in this country doesn’t even really include a conservative option; your choice is between the left-liberal party and the party that has been rendered essentially insolvent by its slide to fascism. Like, what conservative priorities are these clowns accomplishing? At a certain point you just have to come to terms with the fact that anyone who considers voting Republican at the federal level for any reason is less fellow American with civil disagreements and more hostage-taker; their hatred for anything remotely left of center is so great that they would rather essentially blow up the federal government than see their fellow left of center Americans any closer to power.

Do you think fascism is defined by wanting to cut government spending? Because if so, the Nazis did not cut funding to the German federal government: the best estimate I can find online suggests government spending doubled from 1934 to 1939: https://www.nber.org/system/files/chapters/c9480/c9480.pdf. I don't have data for Italy, but I assume something similar happened.

[Progressive Pessimist]

This is basically done for the sake of tradition at this point. At since they've never really faced serious consequences for it, they do it anytime they have the House under a Democratic President.

I wish American voters were capable of keeping this in mind. Maybe Democrats need to start running on this, because it's beyond ridiculous and should not be as frequent as it is.

[GeorgiaModerate]

This is basically done for the sake of tradition at this point. At since they've never really faced serious consequences for it, they do it anytime they have the House under a Democratic President.

It seems quite plausible that the 2013 shutdown cost the Republicans a couple of statewide offices in Virginia that year (AG for sure), given the number of government workers living in NoVA.  I suspect there are other examples.

[Sumner 1868]

This is basically done for the sake of tradition at this point. At since they've never really faced serious consequences for it, they do it anytime they have the House under a Democratic President.

It seems quite plausible that the 2013 shutdown cost the Republicans a couple of statewide offices in Virginia that year (AG for sure), given the number of government workers living in NoVA.  I suspect there are other examples.

It just wasn't harsh enough to be a deterrent.

[Oryxslayer]

This is basically done for the sake of tradition at this point. At since they've never really faced serious consequences for it, they do it anytime they have the House under a Democratic President.

It seems quite plausible that the 2013 shutdown cost the Republicans a couple of statewide offices in Virginia that year (AG for sure), given the number of government workers living in NoVA.  I suspect there are other examples.

I mean they seemingly have learned their lesson when it comes to 2023 elections, we have a version of the Senate bill floating around with 45 days as it's expiration data, specifically to push past the November contests. McConnell having to deal with a competitive gubernatorial race in his backyard probably helps in this matter. But just waiting until after the elections to do the shutdown was seemingly rejected.

And if you check the list no Republican from VA, NJ, MS, KY, or LA voted against McCarthy's bill, despite those five states containing Rep's Good, Higgins, and Massie.

[It’s so Joever]

Winners: Virginia Democrats
Losers: Everyone else

[vitoNova]

As in the previous shutdowns I've lived through, my little corner of DoD is--and will always be-- "excepted".  No disruptions, no furloughs, and still getting paid.  For the GS's, at least.

[Pres Mike]

I hope there is no shutdown. While federal employees get backpay, the thousands of service sector workers who work for third parties don't.

[longtimelurker]

If the Biden regime closes national parks, I will vote Republican until the end of time.

They are.  Why are you voting GOP, then?  When Trump ordered the parks open during the 2018-2019 shutdown, the parks got trashed, especially Joshua Tree.  Campgrounds were covered with garbage, outhouses were clogged and overflowing with s**t, trees were set on fire or chopped down, animals were poached, buildings were vandalized, ATVs were driving all over everywhere, etc.  Oh, and the GOP is on record as wanting to cut the NPS budget.  Again.

[Bandit3 the Worker]

They are.  Why are you voting GOP, then?

I'll vote for anyone who doesn't close national parks.

The Biden regime could have chosen to use the contingency plan for national parks from the last shutdown. Instead, they are choosing not to.

[GeorgiaModerate]

They are.  Why are you voting GOP, then?

I'll vote for anyone who doesn't close national parks.

The Biden regime could have chosen to use the contingency plan for national parks from the last shutdown. Instead, they are choosing not to.

I’ve seen lots of single issue voters, but that’s a new one.

[Bernie Derangement Syndrome Haver]

They are.  Why are you voting GOP, then?

I'll vote for anyone who doesn't close national parks.

The Biden regime could have chosen to use the contingency plan for national parks from the last shutdown. Instead, they are choosing not to.

Socialist showing their true fascist colors once again.

[Bandit3 the Worker]

Socialist showing their true fascist colors once again.

National parks are fascist now?

[Anti Democrat Democrat Club]

They are.  Why are you voting GOP, then?

I'll vote for anyone who doesn't close national parks.

The Biden regime could have chosen to use the contingency plan for national parks from the last shutdown. Instead, they are choosing not to.

Socialist showing their true fascist colors once again.

[Pouring Rain and Blairing Music]

As in the previous shutdowns I've lived through, my little corner of DoD is--and will always be-- "excepted".  No disruptions, no furloughs, and still getting paid.  For the GS's, at least.

My team (different department) is mostly exempt, I believe. We have enough separate funding to keep most of our people on half-time, with field crews close to full time.

“Exempt” and “excepted” are really bad terms to use in the same context. Lots of confusion and I’m still not sure how to fill out my time card on Monday.

[Gass3268]

There was some optimism earlier this morning that they might have been close to something that could work, but not now.

https://twitter.com/Olivia_Beavers/status/1708117503631585735?s=20

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

Someone spell it out for me: what exactly would bring Gaetz and company onboard? IOW, when this all shakes out, what exactly would satisfy everybody?

[soundchaser]

Someone spell it out for me: what exactly would bring Gaetz and company onboard? IOW, when this all shakes out, what exactly would satisfy everybody?

Very little, short of torpedoing the federal government. Any compromise will likely come from moderate Dems.

[Gass3268]

Someone spell it out for me: what exactly would bring Gaetz and company onboard? IOW, when this all shakes out, what exactly would satisfy everybody?

Very little, short of torpedoing the federal government. Any compromise will likely come from moderate Dems.

Or a handful of Reps sign on to a discharge petition for the Senate CR.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

McCarthy will work with Ds to pass a funding bill eventually and Ds save his Speakership but what do Ds have to lose they are gonna win Congress next Fall, Rs NEEDED 230 seats and they failed


All they have to do they are so close on numbers like Debt Ceiling is compromised

Ds won't get a D Speaker until we get to 218

[Oryxslayer]

Someone spell it out for me: what exactly would bring Gaetz and company onboard? IOW, when this all shakes out, what exactly would satisfy everybody?

TL:DR - this is McCarthy's shutdown, the foul harvest he is reaping from keeping his job in January. Bring forward the already negotiated plan which which would pass easily is mutually incompatible with him being the Speaker afterwards. Maybe he'll be able to thread the needle given time, but more likely is everyone just gets more angry.

Someone spell it out for me: what exactly would bring Gaetz and company onboard? IOW, when this all shakes out, what exactly would satisfy everybody?

Very little, short of torpedoing the federal government. Any compromise will likely come from moderate Dems.

Or a handful of Reps sign on to a discharge petition for the Senate CR.

That's how this will probably end, and it's a trap that McCarty is trying to keep himself out of. Leadership hopes it going over their heads will make McCarthy seem like he stood by the intransigents, but probably not.  The political trolls want to lose, they want to say they were abandoned when it comes to the January "deal," and wants to get a successful motion to vacate the chair to pencil in a win versus the 'establishment." if we end up back in January when the shutdown ends, with another public impasse over who should be speaker, it may require more creative solutions on everyone's part to resolve.

[Oryxslayer]

McCarty may have broke far sooner than expected. 45 day CR currently on the floor, supposedly 'clean' Senate bill, except no Ukraine. Ukraine money would either get quickly discharge petitioned alongside, or if that's not an option, the bill probably dies without Dem support.

In theory, if this all passes, it means shutdown temporarily averted until after elections. But it means McCarthy choose the option that angers the trolls and as soon as the chamber reconvenes we'll have Gaetz and Co. successfully vacate the Chair with Dem assistance. And we get January part 2!

[soundchaser]

McCarty may have broke far sooner than expected. 45 day CR currently on the floor, supposedly 'clean' Senate bill, except no Ukraine. Ukraine money would either get quickly discharge petitioned alongside, or if that's not an option, the bill probably dies without Dem support.

In theory, if this all passes, it means shutdown temporarily averted until after elections. But it means McCarthy choose the option that angers the trolls and as soon as the chamber reconvenes we'll have Gaetz and Co. successfully vacate the Chair with Dem assistance. And we get January part 2!

The funniest possible outcome. I'm rooting for it.