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« on: April 22, 2007, 10:26:39 AM »

1. It should not be the job of the government to provide health care to one citizen by taxing another.  However, it would be appropriate to allow small businesses to band together in AHP's to help lower their costs.

2. While some welfare reform has been made, it is imperative to end the welfare state in America.  While welfare has helped some, it is abused by many and private charity is a much better solution.

3. Abortion rights are fallacy found no where in the constitution dreamed up by the left.  It is imperative that would protect every human life and treat it with dignity.

4. The United States need to stop supporting Israel so much, yet it needs to not take Palestines side either.  The conflict is not something the US shoudl involve itself in

5. It is ironic that affirmative action was created because of racism, considering it itself is racist.  Every student or potential employee should be looked on an even playing field.

6. Capital punishment is immoral, and lacks any power of deterrence.

7. Unions are incredibly detrimental to America and many government unions raise taxes on Americans.

8. It is important that the interests of the United States are hold first and foremost

9. While gays and lesbians should not be stoned in the streets, it is ridiculous to afford them the institution of marriage when marriage is between a man and a woman.

10. The Soviet Union was an evil society and it is incredibly important that they were stopped before they were able to take over America

11. Globalization is important for the economy and thinks like free trade and outsourcing should not be restricted.

12. Torture is acceptable if it protects national security.

13. The "war on drugs" wastes vast government resources that could better be used elsewhere.

14. Social spending should be cut drastically starting with the end of welfare and privitizatin of SS

15. Undocumented workers should be put on the next bus back to Mexico.

16. The federal minimum wage destroys more jobs than it creates and should be abolished or set to an incredibly low amount

17. Income tax rates on the top 10 percent and everyone are far too high due to wasteful spending and unnecessary government programs.  Taxes should be cut along with lower spending.

18. Military force should be used to blow the hell out of other nations who are a threat

19. Man-made Global warming is a hoax perpetrated by liberals to try and make a political issue

20. Our present leadership is protecting American interests aboard and should be given a thumps up
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« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2007, 10:37:29 AM »

Worded it better so you can see how I disagree:
1. It should not be the job of the government to provide health care to one citizen by taxing another.  However, it would be appropriate to allow small businesses to band together in AHP's to help lower their costs.

2. While some welfare reform has been made, it is imperative to end the welfare state in America.  While welfare has helped some, it is abused by many and private charity is a much better solution.

3. Abortion rights are fallacy found no where in the constitution dreamed up by the left. 

4. The United States need to stop supporting Israel so much, yet it needs to not take Palestines side either.  The conflict is not something the US shoudl involve itself in

5. It is ironic that affirmative action was created because of racism, considering it itself is racist.  Every student or potential employee should be looked on an even playing field.

6. Capital punishment is immoral, and lacks any power of deterrence on crazy people.

7. Unions are incredibly detrimental to America and many government unions raise taxes on Americans.

8. It is important that the interests of the United States are hold first and foremost

9. While gays and lesbians should not be stoned in the streets, it is ridiculous to afford them the institution of marriage when marriage is between a man and a woman.

10. The Soviet Union was an evil society and it is incredibly important that they were stopped before they were able to take over America

11. Globalization is important for the economy and thinks like free trade and outsourcing should not be restricted.

12. Torture of non-American citizens is acceptable if it protects national security.

13. The "war on drugs" wastes vast government resources that could better be used elsewhere.

14. Social spending should be cut drastically starting with the end of welfare and privitizatin of SS

15. Undocumented workers should be put on the next bus back to Mexico, but immigration laws should be looser to non-violent people who have a job and help th economy.

16. The federal minimum wage destroys more jobs than it creates and should be abolished or set to an incredibly low amount

17. Income tax rates on the top 10 percent and everyone are far too high due to wasteful spending and unnecessary government programs.  Taxes should be cut along with lower spending.

18. Military force should be used to blow the hell out of other nations who are an immediate threat

19. Man-made Global warming is a hoax perpetrated by liberals to try and make a political issue

20. Our present leadership is protecting American interests aboard and should be given a thumps up
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« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2007, 11:08:42 AM »

1. It should not be the job of the government to provide health care to one citizen by taxing another.  However, it would be appropriate to allow small businesses to band together in AHP's to help lower their costs.

No.

2. While some welfare reform has been made, it is imperative to end the welfare state in America.  While welfare has helped some, it is abused by many and private charity is a much better solution.

No.

3. Abortion rights are fallacy found no where in the constitution dreamed up by the left.  It is imperative that would protect every human life and treat it with dignity.

No.

4. The United States need to stop supporting Israel so much, yet it needs to not take Palestines side either.  The conflict is not something the US shoudl involve itself in

No.

5. It is ironic that affirmative action was created because of racism, considering it itself is racist.  Every student or potential employee should be looked on an even playing field.

Agree

6. Capital punishment is immoral, and lacks any power of deterrence.

No.

7. Unions are incredibly detrimental to America and many government unions raise taxes on Americans.

No.

8. It is important that the interests of the United States are hold first and foremost

Yes

9. While gays and lesbians should not be stoned in the streets, it is ridiculous to afford them the institution of marriage when marriage is between a man and a woman.

No

10. The Soviet Union was an evil society and it is incredibly important that they were stopped before they were able to take over America

Yes

11. Globalization is important for the economy and thinks like free trade and outsourcing should not be restricted.

No

12. Torture is acceptable if it protects national security.

Yes

13. The "war on drugs" wastes vast government resources that could better be used elsewhere.

Yes

14. Social spending should be cut drastically starting with the end of welfare and privitizatin of SS

No

15. Undocumented workers should be put on the next bus back to Mexico.

Yes

16. The federal minimum wage destroys more jobs than it creates and should be abolished or set to an incredibly low amount

No

17. Income tax rates on the top 10 percent and everyone are far too high due to wasteful spending and unnecessary government programs.  Taxes should be cut along with lower spending.

No

18. Military force should be used to blow the hell out of other nations who are a threat

Yes

19. Man-made Global warming is a hoax perpetrated by liberals to try and make a political issue

No

20. Our present leadership is protecting American interests aboard and should be given a thumps up

No.
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« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2007, 11:51:38 AM »

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« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2007, 01:12:23 PM »

1. It should not be the job of the government to provide health care to one citizen by taxing another.  However, it would be appropriate to allow small businesses to band together in AHP's to help lower their costs.

Agree with the first sentence, not with the second.

2. While some welfare reform has been made, it is imperative to end the welfare state in America.  While welfare has helped some, it is abused by many and private charity is a much better solution.

While there is some truth in this statement, both private charity and some type of welfare assistance is the best solution.

3. Abortion rights are fallacy found no where in the constitution dreamed up by the left.  It is imperative that would protect every human life and treat it with dignity.

First sentence is ok, but take out "dreamed up by the left" part, because it's stupid.  Your second sentence makes no sense, I henceforth disagree.

4. The United States need to stop supporting Israel so much, yet it needs to not take Palestines side either.  The conflict is not something the US should involve itself in.

I disagree, Assad.

5. It is ironic that affirmative action was created because of racism, considering it itself is racist.  Every student or potential employee should be looked on an even playing field.

Your rationale is pretty stupid.  Affirmative action is ok, but it should be based on income, rather than race.

6. Capital punishment is immoral, and lacks any power of deterrence.

Disagree.

7. Unions are incredibly detrimental to America and many government unions raise taxes on Americans.

I agree with the first part of the sentence and disagree with the second part.

8. It is important that the interests of the United States are hold first and foremost.

Agree, but kind of an obvious platitude.

9. While gays and lesbians should not be stoned in the streets, it is ridiculous to afford them the institution of marriage when marriage is between a man and a woman.

Your reasoning is circular, but I agree with the conclusion.

10. The Soviet Union was an evil society and it is incredibly important that they were stopped before they were able to take over America.

They were not anywhere near "taking over America", but the defeat of the Soviet Union was a positive thing.

11. Globalization is important for the economy and thinks like free trade and outsourcing should not be restricted.

Agree.

12. Torture is acceptable if it protects national security.

Agree.

13. The "war on drugs" wastes vast government resources that could better be used elsewhere.

Agree.

14. Social spending should be cut drastically starting with the end of welfare and privitizatin of SS.

Disagree.

15. Undocumented workers should be put on the next bus back to Mexico.

Disagree.

16. The federal minimum wage destroys more jobs than it creates and should be abolished or set to an incredibly low amount.

There should be a federal minimum wage, but I would argue that it should be lower and that states should be allowed to raise or lower wages as high they want to.  $8.00 in Mississippi is not the same as $8.00 in New York.

17. Income tax rates on the top 10 percent and everyone are far too high due to wasteful spending and unnecessary government programs.  Taxes should be cut along with lower spending.

I don't really understand what your saying (because of bad English).  Spending should be cut, but I think tax rates are fine now where they are.

18. Military force should be used to blow the hell out of other nations who are a threat.

That's just stupid, John McCain.  Disagree.

19. Man-made Global warming is a hoax perpetrated by liberals to try and make a political issue.

Not a hoax, but not a certainty.  One thing I suspect we would agree on is that the issue is overhyped for political gain.

20. Our present leadership is protecting American interests aboard and should be given a thumps up.

No thumbs up, but they do a better job than most on the left here say they do.
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« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2007, 01:22:31 PM »

1. It should not be the job of the government to provide health care to one citizen by taxing another.  However, it would be appropriate to allow small businesses to band together in AHP's to help lower their costs. Yes

2. While some welfare reform has been made, it is imperative to end the welfare state in America.  While welfare has helped some, it is abused by many and private charity is a much better solution. No, it needs to be reformed, not ended

3. Abortion rights are fallacy found no where in the constitution dreamed up by the left.  It is imperative that would protect every human life and treat it with dignity. Yes, except if the mother will die

4. The United States need to stop supporting Israel so much, yet it needs to not take Palestines side either.  The conflict is not something the US shoudl involve itself in No, until the Palestinians stop suicide bombing and being supported by terrorist organizations

5. It is ironic that affirmative action was created because of racism, considering it itself is racist.  Every student or potential employee should be looked on an even playing field. Yes

6. Capital punishment is immoral, and lacks any power of deterrence. No, it's not immoral and it doesn't deter, doesn't mean we shouldn't have it

7. Unions are incredibly detrimental to America and many government unions raise taxes on Americans. No

8. It is important that the interests of the United States are hold first and foremost. Yes

9. While gays and lesbians should not be stoned in the streets, it is ridiculous to afford them the institution of marriage when marriage is between a man and a woman. Yes, they should have all equal rights except for marriage and civil unions

10. The Soviet Union was an evil society and it is incredibly important that they were stopped before they were able to take over America. Yes

11. Globalization is important for the economy and thinks like free trade and outsourcing should not be restricted. Free trade should be encouraged, outsourcing should try to be stopped

12. Torture is acceptable if it protects national security. Yes

13. The "war on drugs" wastes vast government resources that could better be used elsewhere. No

14. Social spending should be cut drastically starting with the end of welfare and privitizatin of SS. Hell no

15. Undocumented workers should be put on the next bus back to Mexico. Yes, hopefully southern Mexico so they have to come a lot farther to try it again, which they will

16. The federal minimum wage destroys more jobs than it creates and should be abolished or set to an incredibly low amount. Hell No

17. Income tax rates on the top 10 percent and everyone are far too high due to wasteful spending and unnecessary government programs.  Taxes should be cut along with lower spending. No, they're about right, the top 10% still pays more than most of the rest of the US.

18. Military force should be used to blow the hell out of other nations who are a threat. No, sometimes though

19. Man-made Global warming is a hoax perpetrated by liberals to try and make a political issue. No

20. Our present leadership is protecting American interests aboard and should be given a thumps up. To an extent



You're far to extreme on many positions, luckily those won't be implemented.
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« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2007, 02:02:08 PM »

1. It should not be the job of the government to provide health care to one citizen by taxing another. 
Why the hell not?
However, it would be appropriate to allow small businesses to band together in AHP's to help lower their costs.
A business shouldn't even have healthcare costs, so the point is moot.

2. While some welfare reform has been made, it is imperative to end the welfare state in America.  While welfare has helped some, it is abused by many and private charity is a much better solution.
Yes. For one thing, it is much much easier to abuse. Grin Anyways there exists no welfare state in America.

3. Abortion rights are fallacy found no where in the constitution
True to a point.
dreamed up by the left. 
No, dreamed up by a center-right supreme court.
It is imperative that would protect every human life and treat it with dignity.
It is not possible to treat every human life with dignity while outlawing abortion.

4. The United States need to stop supporting Israel so much, yet it needs to not take Palestines side either.  The conflict is not something the US shoudl involve itself in
Now if you add that so far, the US is extremely involved in it, has been for the past fifty years, and that Israel would not be today in existence otherwise... we're there.

5. It is ironic that affirmative action was created because of racism, considering it itself is racist. 
Even accepting that definition of the term "racist", which I don't because it obscures more than it reveals, I fail to see the irony.
Every student or potential employee should be looked on an even playing field.
They didn't have one.

6. Capital punishment is immoral, and lacks any power of deterrence.
I never had you done for anti death penalty. Huh

7. Unions are incredibly detrimental to America ...
Lol.
... and many government unions raise taxes on Americans.
That is certainly true, actually.

8. It is important that the interests of the United States are hold first and foremost
No. Why? the US is a random assemblage of territory like any other.

9. While gays and lesbians should not be stoned in the streets...
Hear, hear!
... it is ridiculous to afford them the institution of marriage when marriage is between a man and a woman.
You mean that you don't then concept of marriage to change. That's something else you know.

10. The Soviet Union was an evil society ...
Aye. Insofar as societies can be "evil".
... and it is incredibly important that they were stopped before they were able to take over America
They never attemted to that.

11. Globalization is important for the economy and thinks like free trade and outsourcing should not be restricted.
The American economy profits from globalization and free trade as they're currently set up, so the first half of your statement stands.
Although as America is randomly defined, and not every American benefits (far from it) I fail to see any relevance.
As to the "should not be restricted" part, throwing all controls away is a recipe for disaster in every situation anyways.

12. Torture is acceptable if it protects national security.
No. Nor of course can it do that.

13. The "war on drugs" wastes vast government resources that could better be used elsewhere.
Aye.

14. Social spending should be cut drastically starting with the end of welfare and privitizatin of SS
No.

15. Undocumented workers should be put on the next bus back to Mexico.
I don't think Mexico wants hundreds of thousands of Filipinos and Salvadorians, and I don't think the US has a right to force them to. Anyways, much of the current US economy would collapse if this policy were carried through.

16. The federal minimum wage destroys more jobs than it creates ...
No, lol.
and should be abolished or set to an incredibly low amount
No.

17. Income tax rates on the top 10 percent and everyone are far too high due to wasteful spending and unnecessary government programs.  Taxes should be cut along with lower spending.
Cut at the bottom, raise at the top.

18. Military force should be used to blow the hell out of other nations who are a threat
Are you threatening me? I think I'd better send in the Luftwaffe to deal with you.

19. Man-made Global warming is a hoax perpetrated by liberals to try and make a political issue
And smoking doesn't cause lung cancer. Yawn.

20. Our present leadership is protecting American interests aboard
No.
and should be given a thumps up
Up their assholes.
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« Reply #7 on: April 22, 2007, 02:47:47 PM »

1. It should not be the job of the government to provide health care to one citizen by taxing another.  However, it would be appropriate to allow small businesses to band together in AHP's to help lower their costs.

Agree with the first sentence on principle, but pragmatically disagree. Agree with the second sentence.

2. While some welfare reform has been made, it is imperative to end the welfare state in America.  While welfare has helped some, it is abused by many and private charity is a much better solution.

Disagree. Reform in the 90's was sufficient, for the most part.

3. Abortion rights are fallacy found no where in the constitution dreamed up by the left.  It is imperative that would protect every human life and treat it with dignity.

I wouldn't say abortion is a right, but I do think that complete illegalization of abortion would cause undue interference with the privacy between a woman and her doctor.

4. The United States need to stop supporting Israel so much, yet it needs to not take Palestines side either.  The conflict is not something the US shoudl involve itself in

Agree.

5. It is ironic that affirmative action was created because of racism, considering it itself is racist.  Every student or potential employee should be looked on an even playing field.

Agree, for the most part.

6. Capital punishment is immoral, and lacks any power of deterrence.

Strongly agree.

7. Unions are incredibly detrimental to America and many government unions raise taxes on Americans.

Eh. I believe that unions have served an important purpose, and still do, to an extent. however, in some instances, they do become excessive.

8. It is important that the interests of the United States are hold first and foremost

Depends on what you consider 'interests' of the US, really.

9. While gays and lesbians should not be stoned in the streets, it is ridiculous to afford them the institution of marriage when marriage is between a man and a woman.

Get the government out of marriage entirely. Same sex couples should be allowed civil unions, and if some religious body wants to marry homosexuals, they should not be restricted from doing so.

10. The Soviet Union was an evil society and it is incredibly important that they were stopped before they were able to take over America

I don't think they would have taken over America under pretty much any circumstance, but I do agree.

11. Globalization is important for the economy and thinks like free trade and outsourcing should not be restricted.

Half-heartedly agree.

12. Torture is acceptable if it protects national security.

Strongly disagree.

13. The "war on drugs" wastes vast government resources that could better be used elsewhere.

Strongly agree.

14. Social spending should be cut drastically starting with the end of welfare and privitizatin of SS

half agree.

15. Undocumented workers should be put on the next bus back to Mexico.

Strongly disagree.

16. The federal minimum wage destroys more jobs than it creates and should be abolished or set to an incredibly low amount

Neutral.

17. Income tax rates on the top 10 percent and everyone are far too high due to wasteful spending and unnecessary government programs.  Taxes should be cut along with lower spending.

Agree.

18. Military force should be used to blow the hell out of other nations who are a threat

Strongly disagree. "Blowing the hell out of" other nations often means unneccesarily killing innocent bystanders. However, the military should be used when there is a legitimate threat present.

19. Man-made Global warming is a hoax perpetrated by liberals to try and make a political issue

Strongly disagree.

20. Our present leadership is protecting American interests aboard and should be given a thumps up

Strongly disagree.
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« Reply #8 on: April 22, 2007, 10:28:58 PM »

1. It should not be the job of the government to provide health care to one citizen by taxing another.  However, it would be appropriate to allow small businesses to band together in AHP's to help lower their costs.
We need universal health care and that may require some government intervention to acheive.  I agree w/ your small business proposal.

2. While some welfare reform has been made, it is imperative to end the welfare state in America.  While welfare has helped some, it is abused by many and private charity is a much better solution.
disagree

3. Abortion rights are fallacy found no where in the constitution dreamed up by the left.  It is imperative that would protect every human life and treat it with dignity.
Abortion is not a "Constituional" right but banning it would put the lives of thousands of women in danger and would be a major setback to equal rights in the workplace.

4. The United States need to stop supporting Israel so much, yet it needs to not take Palestines side either.  The conflict is not something the US shoudl involve itself in
agree

5. It is ironic that affirmative action was created because of racism, considering it itself is racist.  Every student or potential employee should be looked on an even playing field.
agree

6. Capital punishment is immoral, and lacks any power of deterrence.
disagree

7. Unions are incredibly detrimental to America and many government unions raise taxes on Americans.
disagree

8. It is important that the interests of the United States are hold first and foremost
umm agree. how can you oppose this?

9. While gays and lesbians should not be stoned in the streets, it is ridiculous to afford them the institution of marriage when marriage is between a man and a woman.
strongly disagree.  Many churches recognize same sex marriages and any state government that denies these couples a marriage license is in direct violation of the first amendment.

10. The Soviet Union was an evil society and it is incredibly important that they were stopped before they were able to take over America
agree

11. Globalization is important for the economy and thinks like free trade and outsourcing should not be restricted.
disagree. outsourcing should be punished with higher taxes

12. Torture is acceptable if it protects national security.
disagree.  It is unreliable and inhumane.

13. The "war on drugs" wastes vast government resources that could better be used elsewhere.
strongly agree

14. Social spending should be cut drastically starting with the end of welfare and privitizatin of SS
mostly disagree.  some degree of SS privatization is necessary though.

15. Undocumented workers should be put on the next bus back to Mexico.
disagree, I mostly agree with the president on this one.

16. The federal minimum wage destroys more jobs than it creates and should be abolished or set to an incredibly low amount
disagree

17. Income tax rates on the top 10 percent and everyone are far too high due to wasteful spending and unnecessary government programs.  Taxes should be cut along with lower spending.
agree and disagree.  taxes should be higher on the wealthy but the government does waste a great deal of money.

18. Military force should be used to blow the hell out of other nations who are a threat
Diplomacy should always be the first option but we shouldnt' hold back once a threat has been identified as unwilling to cooperate.

19. Man-made Global warming is a hoax perpetrated by liberals to try and make a political issue
Disagree.  However, it has not been conclusively proven to me one way or the other.  Global warming is occurring but man's affect is yet to be determined.  More environmental regulation is still needed though.

20. Our present leadership is protecting American interests aboard and should be given a thumps up
strongly disagree.  Our present leadership has flushed the world's image of the US down the toilet which makes it more difficult for us to get what we want and/or need our of foreign countries.  The current leadership's policies have made us more enemies than friends and permanently damaged the image of the US as a responsible and trustworthy world power.
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« Reply #9 on: April 25, 2007, 07:53:25 AM »

So far SPC is winning
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« Reply #10 on: April 25, 2007, 08:20:52 AM »


I'll just simply go with "no."
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« Reply #11 on: April 25, 2007, 08:36:36 AM »


1. It should not be the job of the government to provide health care to one citizen by taxing another.  However, it would be appropriate to allow small businesses to band together in AHP's to help lower their costs.
DISAGREE

2. While some welfare reform has been made, it is imperative to end the welfare state in America.  While welfare has helped some, it is abused by many and private charity is a much better solution.
DISAGREE

3. Abortion rights are fallacy found no where in the constitution dreamed up by the left.  It is imperative that would protect every human life and treat it with dignity.
Agree with the first clause (abortion not in the constitution) disagree with the rest

4. The United States need to stop supporting Israel so much, yet it needs to not take Palestines side either.  The conflict is not something the US shoudl involve itself in
DISAGREE VEHEMENTLY

5. It is ironic that affirmative action was created because of racism, considering it itself is racist.  Every student or potential employee should be looked on an even playing field.
DISAGREE

6. Capital punishment is immoral, and lacks any power of deterrence.
AGREE

7. Unions are incredibly detrimental to America and many government unions raise taxes on Americans.
DISAGREE VEHEMENTLY

8. It is important that the interests of the United States are hold first and foremost
huh? the interests are hold, what does that mean?  I'd say I agree if I knew what this meant.

9. While gays and lesbians should not be stoned in the streets, it is ridiculous to afford them the institution of marriage when marriage is between a man and a woman.
DISAGREE VEHEMENTLY

10. The Soviet Union was an evil society and it is incredibly important that they were stopped before they were able to take over America
Agree to an extent but don't like the way you put it - they were NEVER going to "take over America" and while they were an awful regime, I'm not sure I like the phrase "evil society"

11. Globalization is important for the economy and thinks like free trade and outsourcing should not be restricted.
Agree with some reservations regarding the broadness of the statement

12. Torture is acceptable if it protects national security.
DISAGREE that this even makes sense, but even if it did, I'd disagree

13. The "war on drugs" wastes vast government resources that could better be used elsewhere.
AGREE

14. Social spending should be cut drastically starting with the end of welfare and privitizatin of SS
DISAGREE

15. Undocumented workers should be put on the next bus back to Mexico.
WOW, what about those from other countries?  DISAGREE VEHEMENTLY

16. The federal minimum wage destroys more jobs than it creates and should be abolished or set to an incredibly low amount
DISAGREE

17. Income tax rates on the top 10 percent and everyone are far too high due to wasteful spending and unnecessary government programs.  Taxes should be cut along with lower spending.
DISAGREE

18. Military force should be used to blow the hell out of other nations who are a threat
DISAGREE VEHEMENTLY

19. Man-made Global warming is a hoax perpetrated by liberals to try and make a political issue
DISAGREE VEHEMENTLY

20. Our present leadership is protecting American interests aboard and should be given a thumps up
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« Reply #12 on: April 25, 2007, 11:16:28 AM »

Short answer; No.
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« Reply #13 on: April 25, 2007, 11:26:19 AM »

1. It should not be the job of the government to provide health care to one citizen by taxing another.  However, it would be appropriate to allow small businesses to band together in AHP's to help lower their costs.--
---Disagree.  It is a right to have access to health care.

2. While some welfare reform has been made, it is imperative to end the welfare state in America.  While welfare has helped some, it is abused by many and private charity is a much better solution.
---Strongly disagree.  Private charity isn't guaranteed to those that need it.  I would support this measure if we made it against the law to deny someone food and lodging if they were in need.  (I'd be heading to the nearest rich subdivision in a heartbeat!)

3. Abortion rights are fallacy found no where in the constitution dreamed up by the left.  It is imperative that would protect every human life and treat it with dignity.
--- You're right.  Every human life should be protected and treated with dignity.  That includes pregnant women whose health is threatened by the fetus.  It also includes prison inmates, soldiers, etc.

4. The United States need to stop supporting Israel so much, yet it needs to not take Palestines side either.  The conflict is not something the US shoudl involve itself in.
--- Sure.  But the U.S. should aid Israel in its defense (defense being the key word here, not unprovoked attacks on neighbors).

5. It is ironic that affirmative action was created because of racism, considering it itself is racist.  Every student or potential employee should be looked on an even playing field.
---You're right.  Everyone should be considered on an even playing field.  But that doesn't happen.

6. Capital punishment is immoral, and lacks any power of deterrence.
---Agree.

7. Unions are incredibly detrimental to America and many government unions raise taxes on Americans.
--- Strongly disagree.  It is a right to organize to represent your interests.

8. It is important that the interests of the United States are hold first and foremost.
---???  Sure, except when our interests means the shedding of innocent blood, which occurs in almost every conflict we find ourselves in.

9. While gays and lesbians should not be stoned in the streets, it is ridiculous to afford them the institution of marriage when marriage is between a man and a woman.
---Retarded argument.  "Marriage is between a man and a woman."  Says who?  We're in America, where the Bible has no say in our laws.

10. The Soviet Union was an evil society and it is incredibly important that they were stopped before they were able to take over America.
---HA!  Yes.  Be afraid.  Be VERY afraid.  Do you really live your life feeling so threatened and afraid all the time? 

11. Globalization is important for the economy and thinks like free trade and outsourcing should not be restricted.
--- In the long term, no.  But with free trade in a world with such a huge dichotomy between the most developed and least developed nations, things are stacked against us and America is bleeding jobs and gaining little in return other than a lower quality of life for many.

12. Torture is acceptable if it protects national security.
---VEHEMENTLY DISAGREE!!!!!  You're a paranoid fascist and a freedom hater.  Go hang.

13. The "war on drugs" wastes vast government resources that could better be used elsewhere.
---Yes.  That money could be used building lots of roads or schools or something.

14. Social spending should be cut drastically starting with the end of welfare and privitizatin of SS.
---No.  In no circumstances.  You're obviously inexperienced and living a cushy life with little worry of economic disaster.

15. Undocumented workers should be put on the next bus back to Mexico.
---This would seriously disrupt the economy, be incredibly expensive to do, and it would be very hard to find undocumented workers.  No.

16. The federal minimum wage destroys more jobs than it creates and should be abolished or set to an incredibly low amount.
---The minimum wage doesn't seek to create jobs.  Only an idiot would believe that.  It seeks to establish a minimum wage so that people that do work these jobs can try to afford a basic quality of life on their own without having to resort to welfare.  Those that deserve less than the minimum wage would probably be on welfare anyway and are thus just fine without a job.

17. Income tax rates on the top 10 percent and everyone are far too high due to wasteful spending and unnecessary government programs.  Taxes should be cut along with lower spending.
---You're right.  We need to seriously cut defense spending and streamline government to be more efficient.  And then the savings should be used to pay off our debt.  When our debt is paid off, we can lower taxes, but on the lower and middle classes first.

18. Military force should be used to blow the hell out of other nations who are a threat.
---And you call yourself a Christian?  Only someone who has no understanding of Christ's love could say such an idiotic thing like that.

19. Man-made Global warming is a hoax perpetrated by liberals to try and make a political issue.
---Yes, the vast research of climate science and the evidence of warming and environmental changes are all a giant hoax to try and control your life.  Again, you're a scared, paranoid reactionary with a finger just itching to push the big red button.

20. Our present leadership is protecting American interests aboard and should be given a thumps up.
---HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!!!  The world has certainly become safer for Americans to travel in since 2001.  I now have no qualms about visiting the middle east or even Russia and Europe for that matter becasue we are liberators and are loved worldwide.

When you get a bit older and more mature and don't sound like you were fed this bullsh**t from an angry white father figure, then maybe we can discuss politics more completely.
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« Reply #14 on: April 25, 2007, 12:28:13 PM »

We all know I'm not, but I feel like answering anyway.

1. It should not be the job of the government to provide health care to one citizen by taxing another.  However, it would be appropriate to allow small businesses to band together in AHP's to help lower their costs.
DISAGREE

2. While some welfare reform has been made, it is imperative to end the welfare state in America.  While welfare has helped some, it is abused by many and private charity is a much better solution.
DISAGREE... Although I agree with your central idea that welfare has been abused, I don't agree with replacing it with totally unreliable private charity.

3. Abortion rights are fallacy found no where in the constitution dreamed up by the left.  It is imperative that would protect every human life and treat it with dignity.
STRONGLY DISAGREE... The fetus is part of the woman's body, and ergo, her choice on what to do with it.

4. The United States need to stop supporting Israel so much, yet it needs to not take Palestines side either.  The conflict is not something the US should involve itself in.
NEUTRAL... I don't believe we should take sides, but I believe it is in our interests to find a solution

5. It is ironic that affirmative action was created because of racism, considering it itself is racist.  Every student or potential employee should be looked on an even playing field.
AGREE... Affirmative Action is antiquated

6. Capital punishment is immoral, and lacks any power of deterrence.
AGREE

7. Unions are incredibly detrimental to America and many government unions raise taxes on Americans.
STRONGLY DISAGREE

8. It is important that the interests of the United States are hold first and foremost.
NEUTRAL...

9. While gays and lesbians should not be stoned in the streets, it is ridiculous to afford them the institution of marriage when marriage is between a man and a woman.
STRONGLY DISAGREE... Exactly what right do you have to make such a judgement?

10. The Soviet Union was an evil society and it is incredibly important that they were stopped before they were able to take over America.
AGREE... However, by the 80s, it was clear to anyone with a brain that the Soviets posed no real threat to take us over.

11. Globalization is important for the economy and things like free trade and outsourcing should not be restricted.
STRONGLY DISAGREE... I watched as everyone here lost their job when steel left, and it f**ked this place's economy up for about fifteen years...

12. Torture is acceptable if it protects national security.
STRONGLY DISAGREE

13. The "war on drugs" wastes vast government resources that could better be used elsewhere.
AGREE (Although I doubt we would use it for the same things)

14. Social spending should be cut drastically starting with the end of welfare and privitizatin of SS
DISAGREE

15. Undocumented workers should be put on the next bus back to Mexico.
NEUTRAL (What if they're Canadian? Would you send them to Mexico?)

16. The federal minimum wage destroys more jobs than it creates and should be abolished or set to an incredibly low amount.
STRONGLY DISAGREE... Minimum wage is the bare minimum it should take to survive with the basic necessities of life. I find that two dollars an hour wouldn't accomplish that... Five dollars doesn't either

17. Income tax rates on the top 10 percent and everyone are far too high due to wasteful spending and unnecessary government programs.  Taxes should be cut along with lower spending.
STRONGLY DISAGREE

18. Military force should be used to blow the hell out of other nations who are a threat.
DISAGREE

19. Man-made Global warming is a hoax perpetrated by liberals to try and make a political issue.
STRONGLY DISAGREE

20. Our present leadership is protecting American interests aboard and should be given a thumps up.
Not even a strongly disagree... An emphatic HELL NO!
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« Reply #15 on: April 25, 2007, 01:18:44 PM »

When you get a bit older and more mature and don't sound like you were fed this bullsh**t from an angry white father figure, then maybe we can discuss politics more completely.

Ah, this goes back to my old thread about liberals favorite arguments.  This one is the "I am right, you must wrong" one
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« Reply #16 on: April 25, 2007, 04:45:48 PM »

1. It should not be the job of the government to provide health care to one citizen by taxing another.  However, it would be appropriate to allow small businesses to band together in AHP's to help lower their costs.

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I'm not really of the opinion that it's racist, but it shouldn't happen. Agree.

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Disagree. Sometimes they're detrimental and sometimes they're beneficial. Your and Rob's sweeping statements serve as good rhetoric but poor policy.

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Disagree, and amused that you feel the need to declare that homosexuals shouldn't be stoned in the streets.

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Evil society? *snort* It had some nasty pieces of work leading it, but the society, the people of the Soviet Union, were not inherently evil. The idea that it had any potential to take over the United States is absolutely ludicrous in retrospect. Disagree.

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Important, yes. Unrestricted, no, not in all cases. Again, sweeping generalizations make good rhetoric but bad policy.

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« Reply #17 on: April 25, 2007, 06:01:06 PM »

So DWDL what's everyone's scores?
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« Reply #18 on: April 25, 2007, 07:26:00 PM »

SouthParkConservative: 80%
BaconKing: 45%
MasterJedi: 40%
Straha: 35%
Sam Spade: 30%
Elcorazon: 25%
Padfoot: 25%
Lewis: 20%
Dr. Cynic: 20%
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Opebo: 15%
SnowGuy: 15%

I think Inks might top that but it would be hard, possibly States
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« Reply #19 on: April 25, 2007, 08:32:36 PM »

How'd I score so high?
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« Reply #20 on: April 25, 2007, 08:54:08 PM »

1. It should not be the job of the government to provide health care to one citizen by taxing another.  However, it would be appropriate to allow small businesses to band together in AHP's to help lower their costs.

Disagree with the overall statement, but I of course do believe we need to help small busineses pool health insurance together

2. While some welfare reform has been made, it is imperative to end the welfare state in America.  While welfare has helped some, it is abused by many and private charity is a much better solution.

No

3. Abortion rights are fallacy found no where in the constitution dreamed up by the left.  It is imperative that would protect every human life and treat it with dignity.

I do agree that abortions rights are probably not constitutionally gaurenteed, however, I don't believe a ban on abortion would be feasible.

4. The United States need to stop supporting Israel so much, yet it needs to not take Palestines side either.  The conflict is not something the US shoudl involve itself in

Disagree

5. It is ironic that affirmative action was created because of racism, considering it itself is racist.  Every student or potential employee should be looked on an even playing field.

Disagree

6. Capital punishment is immoral, and lacks any power of deterrence.

Disagree

7. Unions are incredibly detrimental to America and many government unions raise taxes on Americans.

Disagree

8. It is important that the interests of the United States are hold first and foremost

Somewhat true, however the plight of humanity, wherever it exists, should be a matter of concern for Americans.

9. While gays and lesbians should not be stoned in the streets, it is ridiculous to afford them the institution of marriage when marriage is between a man and a woman.

Marriage is between a man and a woman, aye, but they are entitled, I believe, to the rights of marriage via civil unions.

10. The Soviet Union was an evil society and it is incredibly important that they were stopped before they were able to take over America

11. Globalization is important for the economy and thinks like free trade and outsourcing should not be restricted.

Globilization can be very good for us and the world, and I'm personally a big proponent of opening markets, however we need common sense measures so that our workers aren't competing on an unfair playing field and foreign workers aren't being exploited.

12. Torture is acceptable if it protects national security.

Strongly Disagree, and it rarely does protect national security.

13. The "war on drugs" wastes vast government resources that could better be used elsewhere.

Strongly Disagree

14. Social spending should be cut drastically starting with the end of welfare and privitizatin of SS

Strongly Disagree

15. Undocumented workers should be put on the next bus back to Mexico.

More or less.  I would like to see the U.S., however, raise our quotas greatly and increase our legal immigration.

16. The federal minimum wage destroys more jobs than it creates and should be abolished or set to an incredibly low amount

Disagree

17. Income tax rates on the top 10 percent and everyone are far too high due to wasteful spending and unnecessary government programs.  Taxes should be cut along with lower spending.

Disagree

18. Military force should be used to blow the hell out of other nations who are a threat

Diplomacy first, and I don't want to "blow the hell" out of anyone unless we have to.  Just because a particular government is evil doesn't mean the people deserve to be ravaged.

19. Man-made Global warming is a hoax perpetrated by liberals to try and make a political issue

Disagree

20. Our present leadership is protecting American interests aboard and should be given a thumps up

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« Reply #21 on: April 26, 2007, 01:33:06 AM »

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1. It should not be the job of the government to provide health care to one citizen by taxing another.  However, it would be appropriate to allow small businesses to band together in AHP's to help lower their costs.

2. While some welfare reform has been made, it is imperative to end the welfare state in America.  While welfare has helped some, it is abused by many and private charity is a much better solution.

3. Abortion rights are fallacy found no where in the constitution dreamed up by the left.  It is imperative that would protect every human life and treat it with dignity.

4. The United States need to stop supporting Israel so much, yet it needs to not take Palestines side either.  The conflict is not something the US shoudl involve itself in
I don't want to stop being Israel's ally, but I think we should be out of the Mid East spat.

5. It is ironic that affirmative action was created because of racism, considering it itself is racist.  Every student or potential employee should be looked on an even playing field.

6. Capital punishment is immoral, and lacks any power of deterrence.

7. Unions are incredibly detrimental to America and many government unions raise taxes on Americans.

8. It is important that the interests of the United States are hold first and foremost

9. While gays and lesbians should not be stoned in the streets, it is ridiculous to afford them the institution of marriage when marriage is between a man and a woman.

10. The Soviet Union was an evil society and it is incredibly important that they were stopped before they were able to take over America
I agree the USSR was evil, but taking over America? Huh

11. Globalization is important for the economy and thinks like free trade and outsourcing should not be restricted.

12. Torture is acceptable if it protects national security.
Should only be used cases of the most extreme need for security.

13. The "war on drugs" wastes vast government resources that could better be used elsewhere.

14. Social spending should be cut drastically starting with the end of welfare and privitizatin of SS

15. Undocumented workers should be put on the next bus back to Mexico.
They should first be given a chance to register with the INS

16. The federal minimum wage destroys more jobs than it creates and should be abolished or set to an incredibly low amount

17. Income tax rates on the top 10 percent and everyone are far too high due to wasteful spending and unnecessary government programs.  Taxes should be cut along with lower spending.

18. Military force should be used to blow the hell out of other nations who are a threat
So basically we destroy any nation we don't like, or who disagrees with us.

19. Man-made Global warming is a hoax perpetrated by liberals to try and make a political issue
I must confess, even after how much it's been discussed on the forums, I still don't know enough about it to give an honest answer to the question.

20. Our present leadership is protecting American interests aboard and should be given a thumps up
No way in hell. That is just about the last thing conservatives have done for us. Now I know what I'm about to say will make me sound like an off the deep end radical far leftist and all, but I think the biggest threat to the safety of the American people these days is if conservatives get complete control of the federal government again.
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« Reply #22 on: April 27, 2007, 03:06:38 AM »

1. Disagree
2. Disagree
3. Disagree
4. Disagree
5. Disagree
6. Agree
7. Disagree
8. Uh...agree?
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10. Agree (though probably not with the specific wording of the question)
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20. Is that a sentence?
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« Reply #23 on: April 27, 2007, 03:11:22 AM »

#20 isn't.
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« Reply #24 on: April 27, 2007, 09:19:28 PM »

Here's my take...

1. It should not be the job of the government to provide health care to one citizen by taxing another.  However, it would be appropriate to allow small businesses to band together in AHP's to help lower their costs.

agree. no nationalized health care.

2. While some welfare reform has been made, it is imperative to end the welfare state in America.  While welfare has helped some, it is abused by many and private charity is a much better solution.

agree that welfare should be curtailed, however the truly disabled need support and only government can provide that consistently.

3. Abortion rights are fallacy found no where in the constitution dreamed up by the left.  It is imperative that would protect every human life and treat it with dignity.

I don't think the founders could have dreamed of abortion. However, it should be legal and unrestricted. (but NOT subsidized by tax payers)

4. The United States need to stop supporting Israel so much, yet it needs to not take Palestine's side either.  The conflict is not something the US should involve itself in

Agree. We never should have supported Israel and we should stop now. Not going to happen of course.   

5. It is ironic that affirmative action was created because of racism, considering it itself is racist.  Every student or potential employee should be looked on an even playing field.

agree.

6. Capital punishment is immoral, and lacks any power of deterrence.

agree.

7. Unions are incredibly detrimental to America and many government unions raise taxes on Americans.

disagree. Not at all true, we do need unions...as a check against abuse by management.

8. It is important that the interests of the United States are hold first and foremost

strongly disagree. It really matters what the interests of the United States are supposed to be, of course. I don't agree with the aim of spreading "democracy" or preemptive military strikes. The idea of having a "war" with an "ism" is rather silly to me, and I laugh when I hear someone talking about winning it.

9. While gays and lesbians should not be stoned in the streets, it is ridiculous to afford them the institution of marriage when marriage is between a man and a woman.

I really don't care what they do, not my business.

10. The Soviet Union was an evil society and it is incredibly important that they were stopped before they were able to take over America

Societies are neither good nor evil. Maybe you meant that the Soviet system guaranteed unjust outcomes for the majority of the people that lived under it.

11. Globalization is important for the economy and thinks like free trade and outsourcing should not be restricted.
 
No globalization is economic imperialism. I don't think it can be stopped anymore than any other kind of imperialism. Especially considering that corporations, not governments, are spearheading it. Exporting labor overseas is harmful to workers in the US and outside the US.

12. Torture is acceptable if it protects national security.

what a joke, you can't trust information you get from torture. 

13. The "war on drugs" wastes vast government resources that could better be used elsewhere.

strongly agree. It's a war on choice and privacy.

14. Social spending should be cut drastically starting with the end of welfare and privatization of SS

No, though it should be managed better (see what I said about welfare), put the funds for drug interdiction into actually helping people.

15. Undocumented workers should be put on the next bus back to Mexico.

Not so bluntly, but yes those here illegally need to be deported if they are arrested or caught.

16. The federal minimum wage destroys more jobs than it creates and should be abolished or set to an incredibly low amount

Disagree. I guess we could just have the sweatshops here instead of China, but I'll pass. Wink

17. Income tax rates on the top 10 percent and everyone are far too high due to wasteful spending and unnecessary government programs.  Taxes should be cut along with lower spending.

I don't see how those two correlate. Taxes could be cut in a number of areas but that would require a restructuring of society that libertarians are not taking into account. As much as I resent taxes, not everything can be cut.

18. Military force should be used to blow the hell out of other nations who are a threat

Yeah, but only once I get the memo on who the threats are.

19. Man-made Global warming is a hoax perpetrated by liberals to try and make a political issue

I'm not convinced it's real. Now you're the black sheep if you say so, but I said it.

20. Our present leadership is protecting American interests aboard and should be given a thumps up

If our interests are sending money to Israel and occupying Iraq, than you'll get a thumbs up from me. Seriously, more has been done to inflame hatred against the US during the last few years than any other time, could it have been handled better? Don't know.

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