UAW threatens strike, demanding 32 hour work week and 40% pay raises

[OSR stands with Israel]

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/detroit-three-strike-deadline-nears-sides-remain-far-apart-2023-09-14/

- A first-ever simultaneous strike at the Detroit Three carmakers by the United Auto Workers grew all but certain on Thursday with little progress reported in talks hours before a contract deadline expires.

The union - which represents 146,000 U.S. auto workers - is asking for 40% pay raises through September 2027 and major improvements in benefits as part of what it calls "audacious" demands.

The UAW's demands include restoring defined benefit pensions for all workers, 32-hour work weeks and additional cost-of-living hikes, as well as job security guarantees and an end to the use of temporary workers.

These are absurd demands and the CEO is actually giving a pretty fair counter offer here

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/09/14/uaw-strike-gm-sweetens-wage-and-benefits-offer-to-workers.html

Wages: A 20% increase over the four-year term of the contract, with a 10% raise in the first year. That’s up from 18% in GM’s last offer. The UAW has demanded increases of 40% over the term of the contract, which they say is in line with the pay increases seen by the Detroit automakers’ CEOs over the last several years.

Faster path to top pay: Under the current contract, newly-hired workers receive incremental wage increases over time, reaching top-level wages in eight years. GM’s proposal cuts that to four years. The UAW has demanded an end to the tier system.

Inflation protection: GM’s offer includes an unspecified level of cost-of-living protection for maximum wage earners, meaning wages will increase to – in theory, at least – keep pace with inflation. The union has demanded a return to a more generous system used in the past.

Job security: GM is promising not to shut down any of its U.S. manufacturing or warehousing facilities over the life of the contract.

Work-life balance: GM had previously proposed to recognize Juneteenth as a holiday. It’s now offering up to five weeks of vacation and two weeks of parental leave. That matches Ford’s Wednesday offer, at the time the only proposal that included parental leave. The UAW has demanded more time off, including a four-day work week.

[Aurelius2]

The Biden admin is pushing an utterly insane EV rollout pace to pacify the carbon cultists, and the workers at the UAW know this will leave them out on the cold. Good on them for fighting back in defense of their own interests.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Props to management here for playing ball. Hopefully this ends well for the parties involved.

[jojoju1998]

The UAW is in similar position to Sag Aftra.

The " Old " American industries like Hollywood or car production is being threatened by " new technologies" like Automation/AI or new companies like Tesla.

It's a lose lose situation.

https://www.axios.com/2023/09/13/tesla-uaw-gm-ford-stellantis-contract-talks

Ford, GM, and Chevy have always been " behind " the ball game when it comes to competing effectively on the global stage.

[GP270watch]

The CEOs of the Big Three have each had salary increases of 30% to 40% in recent years. GM chief Mary Barra’s compensation grew by 32.5% from 2018 to 2022. During the same period, the median GM employee’s pay grew by just 2.8%, public filings show.

Ford appointed a new CEO, Jim Farley, in 2020, and pay for that role jumped by 18% from 2018 to 2022, while the median Ford employee’s pay rose by 16.1%.

Data for Stellantis is unavailable because the company was formed only in 2021 and is now headquartered in Amsterdam, where pay disclosure rules differ from those in the U.S. But disclosures show the company’s CEO, Carlos Tavares, making 365 times as much as its median employee.

 40% pay raises are only ridiculous when workers ask for them but not when CEOs get them.

[It’s so Joever]

The Biden admin is pushing an utterly insane EV rollout pace to pacify the carbon cultists, and the workers at the UAW know this will leave them out on the cold. Good on them for fighting back in defense of their own interests.

You mean those of us who don’t want to be so reliant on Saudi Arabia for gas. Why are you so anti energy independence hm???

Oh and climate change is real, cope.

[OSR stands with Israel]

The CEOs of the Big Three have each had salary increases of 30% to 40% in recent years. GM chief Mary Barra’s compensation grew by 32.5% from 2018 to 2022. During the same period, the median GM employee’s pay grew by just 2.8%, public filings show.

Ford appointed a new CEO, Jim Farley, in 2020, and pay for that role jumped by 18% from 2018 to 2022, while the median Ford employee’s pay rose by 16.1%.

Data for Stellantis is unavailable because the company was formed only in 2021 and is now headquartered in Amsterdam, where pay disclosure rules differ from those in the U.S. But disclosures show the company’s CEO, Carlos Tavares, making 365 times as much as its median employee.

 40% pay raises are only ridiculous when workers ask for them but not when CEOs get them.

They also want their work week cut from 40 to 32 hours

[GP270watch]

The CEOs of the Big Three have each had salary increases of 30% to 40% in recent years. GM chief Mary Barra’s compensation grew by 32.5% from 2018 to 2022. During the same period, the median GM employee’s pay grew by just 2.8%, public filings show.

Ford appointed a new CEO, Jim Farley, in 2020, and pay for that role jumped by 18% from 2018 to 2022, while the median Ford employee’s pay rose by 16.1%.

Data for Stellantis is unavailable because the company was formed only in 2021 and is now headquartered in Amsterdam, where pay disclosure rules differ from those in the U.S. But disclosures show the company’s CEO, Carlos Tavares, making 365 times as much as its median employee.

 40% pay raises are only ridiculous when workers ask for them but not when CEOs get them.

They also want their work week cut from 40 to 32 hours

 We only have the 40 hour work week because of the labor movement, so I hope unions keep leading the way and win a 32 hour work week for all workers.
 

[TheDeadFlagBlues]

The Big Three was offering raises between 9 and 14 percent. Now, they are offering raises around 20 percent. In the end, the headline demands being made do not reflect the true goal of bargaining, which is arriving at a goal somewhere in the middle, but I think it is telling that Fain is pushing for a 32 hour week. Traditionally, UAW members were ‘compensated’ through overtime at auto plants so this is an unusual demand - I think the idea is to try to spread shifts around without annual salary reductions. You can decrease hours worked, keep pay constant without reducing employment this way.

[Aurelius2]

The Biden admin is pushing an utterly insane EV rollout pace to pacify the carbon cultists, and the workers at the UAW know this will leave them out on the cold. Good on them for fighting back in defense of their own interests.

You mean those of us who don’t want to be so reliant on Saudi Arabia for gas. Why are you so anti energy independence hm???

Oh and climate change is real, cope.

Yeah, the solution for climate change is nuclear and carbon capture, not jetsetting technocrats forcing lifestyle changes on us.

[Kahane's Grave Is A Gender-Neutral Bathroom]

The CEOs of the Big Three have each had salary increases of 30% to 40% in recent years. GM chief Mary Barra’s compensation grew by 32.5% from 2018 to 2022. During the same period, the median GM employee’s pay grew by just 2.8%, public filings show.

Ford appointed a new CEO, Jim Farley, in 2020, and pay for that role jumped by 18% from 2018 to 2022, while the median Ford employee’s pay rose by 16.1%.

Data for Stellantis is unavailable because the company was formed only in 2021 and is now headquartered in Amsterdam, where pay disclosure rules differ from those in the U.S. But disclosures show the company’s CEO, Carlos Tavares, making 365 times as much as its median employee.

 40% pay raises are only ridiculous when workers ask for them but not when CEOs get them.

They also want their work week cut from 40 to 32 hours

I fail to see the problem here. As we transfer to a more automated economy, it's better that workers simply work less with good pay than have 20% of them get fired.

[John Dule]

Oh no! You mean cars won’t be made for the whole time this continues? Whatever shall we do?!

[Aurelius2]

The CEOs of the Big Three have each had salary increases of 30% to 40% in recent years. GM chief Mary Barra’s compensation grew by 32.5% from 2018 to 2022. During the same period, the median GM employee’s pay grew by just 2.8%, public filings show.

Ford appointed a new CEO, Jim Farley, in 2020, and pay for that role jumped by 18% from 2018 to 2022, while the median Ford employee’s pay rose by 16.1%.

Data for Stellantis is unavailable because the company was formed only in 2021 and is now headquartered in Amsterdam, where pay disclosure rules differ from those in the U.S. But disclosures show the company’s CEO, Carlos Tavares, making 365 times as much as its median employee.

 40% pay raises are only ridiculous when workers ask for them but not when CEOs get them.

They also want their work week cut from 40 to 32 hours

This is how negotiations work.

I exclusively buy and drive American vehicles, in large part to support well-paid American labor. This is a feature for me, not a bug.

[GoTfan]

The Biden admin is pushing an utterly insane EV rollout pace to pacify the carbon cultists, and the workers at the UAW know this will leave them out on the cold. Good on them for fighting back in defense of their own interests.

You mean those of us who don’t want to be so reliant on Saudi Arabia for gas. Why are you so anti energy independence hm???

Oh and climate change is real, cope.

Yeah, the solution for climate change is nuclear and carbon capture, not jetsetting technocrats forcing lifestyle changes on us.

Carbon capture is a scam.

[Aurelius2]

The Biden admin is pushing an utterly insane EV rollout pace to pacify the carbon cultists, and the workers at the UAW know this will leave them out on the cold. Good on them for fighting back in defense of their own interests.

You mean those of us who don’t want to be so reliant on Saudi Arabia for gas. Why are you so anti energy independence hm???

Oh and climate change is real, cope.

Yeah, the solution for climate change is nuclear and carbon capture, not jetsetting technocrats forcing lifestyle changes on us.

Carbon capture is a scam.

You say, citing no evidence whatsoever.

[jojoju1998]

The CEOs of the Big Three have each had salary increases of 30% to 40% in recent years. GM chief Mary Barra’s compensation grew by 32.5% from 2018 to 2022. During the same period, the median GM employee’s pay grew by just 2.8%, public filings show.

Ford appointed a new CEO, Jim Farley, in 2020, and pay for that role jumped by 18% from 2018 to 2022, while the median Ford employee’s pay rose by 16.1%.

Data for Stellantis is unavailable because the company was formed only in 2021 and is now headquartered in Amsterdam, where pay disclosure rules differ from those in the U.S. But disclosures show the company’s CEO, Carlos Tavares, making 365 times as much as its median employee.

 40% pay raises are only ridiculous when workers ask for them but not when CEOs get them.

They also want their work week cut from 40 to 32 hours

This is how negotiations work.

I exclusively buy and drive American vehicles to support well-paid American labor. This is a feature for me, not a bug.

Japanese automakers actually make more cars in the US than the so called American manufacturers.


https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2016/06/29/survey-top-made--usa-cars-toyota-honda/86510052/


While Ford happily moved production to Mexico to save on costs.

[jojoju1998]

The CEOs of the Big Three have each had salary increases of 30% to 40% in recent years. GM chief Mary Barra’s compensation grew by 32.5% from 2018 to 2022. During the same period, the median GM employee’s pay grew by just 2.8%, public filings show.

Ford appointed a new CEO, Jim Farley, in 2020, and pay for that role jumped by 18% from 2018 to 2022, while the median Ford employee’s pay rose by 16.1%.

Data for Stellantis is unavailable because the company was formed only in 2021 and is now headquartered in Amsterdam, where pay disclosure rules differ from those in the U.S. But disclosures show the company’s CEO, Carlos Tavares, making 365 times as much as its median employee.

 40% pay raises are only ridiculous when workers ask for them but not when CEOs get them.

They also want their work week cut from 40 to 32 hours

I fail to see the problem here. As we transfer to a more automated economy, it's better that workers simply work less with good pay than have 20% of them get fired.

But the more automation we have, the less workers we need as a whole.

[Aurelius2]

The CEOs of the Big Three have each had salary increases of 30% to 40% in recent years. GM chief Mary Barra’s compensation grew by 32.5% from 2018 to 2022. During the same period, the median GM employee’s pay grew by just 2.8%, public filings show.

Ford appointed a new CEO, Jim Farley, in 2020, and pay for that role jumped by 18% from 2018 to 2022, while the median Ford employee’s pay rose by 16.1%.

Data for Stellantis is unavailable because the company was formed only in 2021 and is now headquartered in Amsterdam, where pay disclosure rules differ from those in the U.S. But disclosures show the company’s CEO, Carlos Tavares, making 365 times as much as its median employee.

 40% pay raises are only ridiculous when workers ask for them but not when CEOs get them.

They also want their work week cut from 40 to 32 hours

This is how negotiations work.

I exclusively buy and drive American vehicles to support well-paid American labor. This is a feature for me, not a bug.

Japanese automakers actually make more cars in the US than the so called American manufacturers.


https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2016/06/29/survey-top-made--usa-cars-toyota-honda/86510052/


While Ford happily moved production to Mexico to save on costs.

Cool, most of those foreign cars built in American factories are made with non union labor getting shltty pay. And my vehicle was made in a US factory, don't assume I know nothing on this, because I consult the UAW vehicle list before I buy. Plus that's only part of my motivation here - in American companies, the profits go back into the American economy, not to mention the white collar workforce being here instead of overseas. I will not engage any further with "well ackchyually"-ing on this issue. I try to buy American whenever possible, and vehicles are just one facet of that. In most cases I have no problem paying a bit extra to do my share fighting the giant sucking sound of outsourcing and "free trade" slowly destroying communities and shipping good jobs overseas.

[Aurelius2]

As for the topic at hand: unlike certain types of unions such as teachers unions or hospital unions where a third group (such as students or patients) is effectively held hostage, or public unions more broadly that put the squeeze on state and federal finances paid for by our tax dollars, negotiations between private unions and management are purely between the workers and the company. I am all in favor of higher wages and in most cases, for blue collar work at least (white collar unions are a different kettle of fish because the work is much more individualized in most cases, and for example software engineer unions usually seem to get turned into a vehicle for 'woke' grievance mongering rather than working conditions), I will absolutely stand on the side of the workers unless the demands they are making are truly absurd at an unusual level.

Producer-focused economics are far superior to consumer-focused economics any day. Higher wages for the American worker are unequivocally good. And no amount of cheap imported appliances will ever make up for the wholesale destruction of entire communities wrought by the steady march of outsourcing and so-called "free trade".

[OSR stands with Israel]

The CEOs of the Big Three have each had salary increases of 30% to 40% in recent years. GM chief Mary Barra’s compensation grew by 32.5% from 2018 to 2022. During the same period, the median GM employee’s pay grew by just 2.8%, public filings show.

Ford appointed a new CEO, Jim Farley, in 2020, and pay for that role jumped by 18% from 2018 to 2022, while the median Ford employee’s pay rose by 16.1%.

Data for Stellantis is unavailable because the company was formed only in 2021 and is now headquartered in Amsterdam, where pay disclosure rules differ from those in the U.S. But disclosures show the company’s CEO, Carlos Tavares, making 365 times as much as its median employee.

 40% pay raises are only ridiculous when workers ask for them but not when CEOs get them.

They also want their work week cut from 40 to 32 hours

 We only have the 40 hour work week because of the labor movement, so I hope unions keep leading the way and win a 32 hours work week for all workers.
 

The thing is auto workers already make a lot of money , so claims that they are exploited is just not true .

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/09/13/us-automakers-face-union-deadline-heres-what-could-make-uaw-strike-saturday.html

GM on average pays $63 an hour for its factory workers, while Ford pays $61 and Fiat Chrysler is at $55. That compares with $50 per hour for nonunionized employees at foreign automakers with factories in the U.S. Narrowing that gap is a main objective for the Detroit Big Three.

This is along with great health insurance  benefits so the average auto worker at the Big 3 makes more than many tech workers for example do and tech workers wages are considered good as well . Yes I agree the CEO shouldn’t have gotten that large if a pay bump but a 40% pay bump while working 20% less is also asking for too much given the average Auto Worker makes UMC wages .

[Aurelius2]

It is worth mentioning that the inflation of the last 2 years is effectively a permanent 17% pay cut.

[jojoju1998]

The CEOs of the Big Three have each had salary increases of 30% to 40% in recent years. GM chief Mary Barra’s compensation grew by 32.5% from 2018 to 2022. During the same period, the median GM employee’s pay grew by just 2.8%, public filings show.

Ford appointed a new CEO, Jim Farley, in 2020, and pay for that role jumped by 18% from 2018 to 2022, while the median Ford employee’s pay rose by 16.1%.

Data for Stellantis is unavailable because the company was formed only in 2021 and is now headquartered in Amsterdam, where pay disclosure rules differ from those in the U.S. But disclosures show the company’s CEO, Carlos Tavares, making 365 times as much as its median employee.

 40% pay raises are only ridiculous when workers ask for them but not when CEOs get them.

They also want their work week cut from 40 to 32 hours

This is how negotiations work.

I exclusively buy and drive American vehicles to support well-paid American labor. This is a feature for me, not a bug.

Japanese automakers actually make more cars in the US than the so called American manufacturers.


https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2016/06/29/survey-top-made--usa-cars-toyota-honda/86510052/


While Ford happily moved production to Mexico to save on costs.

Cool, most of those foreign cars built in American factories are made with non union labor getting shltty pay. And my vehicle was made in a US factory, don't assume I know nothing on this, because I consult the UAW vehicle list before I buy. Plus that's only part of my motivation here - in American companies, the profits go back into the American economy, not to mention the white collar workforce being here instead of overseas. I will not engage any further with "well ackchyually"-ing on this issue. I try to buy American whenever possible, and vehicles are just one facet of that.

This might not be the win that you think it is though if the American car manufacturers agree to UAW's demands.


Toyota, Honda, Tesla have lower labor costs, and they have invested more in either electric vehicles, or automation. So either Ford, Chevy, GM ( Not even Chryslter anymore since it's now a european company ) either lose their customer base because well their costs are higher or they embrace the European/Asian model, and Less workers will be needed in the future; so who wins ? No one.



Quite frankly, All this will do is just open up the American car industry to competition from the Chinese, and other non American car manufacturers.


And I'm 100 percent sure, that that the non American car manufacturers will win if UAW has their way.

And do you want that ? Not me.


We have to think big picture. What is happening with American Auto manufacturers is similar to what is happening with Hollywood and Sag aftra. A declining product. Competition from overseas. and the threat of new technologies.

Do I support American manfacturing? Yes ! One hundred percent. Do I support American Unions ? Of course !

But, cars are a losing proposition. We are better off pursuing high value manufacturing, advanced manfacturing.

[Aurelius2]

The CEOs of the Big Three have each had salary increases of 30% to 40% in recent years. GM chief Mary Barra’s compensation grew by 32.5% from 2018 to 2022. During the same period, the median GM employee’s pay grew by just 2.8%, public filings show.

Ford appointed a new CEO, Jim Farley, in 2020, and pay for that role jumped by 18% from 2018 to 2022, while the median Ford employee’s pay rose by 16.1%.

Data for Stellantis is unavailable because the company was formed only in 2021 and is now headquartered in Amsterdam, where pay disclosure rules differ from those in the U.S. But disclosures show the company’s CEO, Carlos Tavares, making 365 times as much as its median employee.

 40% pay raises are only ridiculous when workers ask for them but not when CEOs get them.

They also want their work week cut from 40 to 32 hours

This is how negotiations work.

I exclusively buy and drive American vehicles to support well-paid American labor. This is a feature for me, not a bug.

Japanese automakers actually make more cars in the US than the so called American manufacturers.


https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2016/06/29/survey-top-made--usa-cars-toyota-honda/86510052/


While Ford happily moved production to Mexico to save on costs.

Cool, most of those foreign cars built in American factories are made with non union labor getting shltty pay. And my vehicle was made in a US factory, don't assume I know nothing on this, because I consult the UAW vehicle list before I buy. Plus that's only part of my motivation here - in American companies, the profits go back into the American economy, not to mention the white collar workforce being here instead of overseas. I will not engage any further with "well ackchyually"-ing on this issue. I try to buy American whenever possible, and vehicles are just one facet of that.

This might not be the win that you think it is though if the American car manufacturers agree to UAW's demands.


Toyota, Honda, Tesla have lower labor costs, and they have invested more in either electric vehicles, or automation. So either Ford, Chevy, GM ( Not even Chryslter anymore since it's now a european company ) either lose their customer base because well their costs are higher or they embrace the European/Asian model, and Less workers will be needed in the future; so who wins ? No one.



Quite frankly, All this will do is just open up the American car industry to competition from the Chinese, and other non American car manufacturers.


And I'm 100 percent sure, that that the non American car manufacturers will win if UAW has their way.

And do you want that ? Not me.


We have to think big picture. What is happening with American Auto manufacturers is similar to what is happening with Hollywood and Sag aftra. A declining product. Competition from overseas. and the threat of new technologies.

Do I support American manfacturing? Yes ! One hundred percent. Do I support American Unions ? Of course !

But, cars are a losing proposition. We are better off pursuing high value manufacturing, advanced manfacturing.

Pigs will fly before a single Chinese car is sold in America.

[jojoju1998]

The CEOs of the Big Three have each had salary increases of 30% to 40% in recent years. GM chief Mary Barra’s compensation grew by 32.5% from 2018 to 2022. During the same period, the median GM employee’s pay grew by just 2.8%, public filings show.

Ford appointed a new CEO, Jim Farley, in 2020, and pay for that role jumped by 18% from 2018 to 2022, while the median Ford employee’s pay rose by 16.1%.

Data for Stellantis is unavailable because the company was formed only in 2021 and is now headquartered in Amsterdam, where pay disclosure rules differ from those in the U.S. But disclosures show the company’s CEO, Carlos Tavares, making 365 times as much as its median employee.

 40% pay raises are only ridiculous when workers ask for them but not when CEOs get them.

They also want their work week cut from 40 to 32 hours

This is how negotiations work.

I exclusively buy and drive American vehicles to support well-paid American labor. This is a feature for me, not a bug.

Japanese automakers actually make more cars in the US than the so called American manufacturers.


https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2016/06/29/survey-top-made--usa-cars-toyota-honda/86510052/


While Ford happily moved production to Mexico to save on costs.

Cool, most of those foreign cars built in American factories are made with non union labor getting shltty pay. And my vehicle was made in a US factory, don't assume I know nothing on this, because I consult the UAW vehicle list before I buy. Plus that's only part of my motivation here - in American companies, the profits go back into the American economy, not to mention the white collar workforce being here instead of overseas. I will not engage any further with "well ackchyually"-ing on this issue. I try to buy American whenever possible, and vehicles are just one facet of that.

This might not be the win that you think it is though if the American car manufacturers agree to UAW's demands.


Toyota, Honda, Tesla have lower labor costs, and they have invested more in either electric vehicles, or automation. So either Ford, Chevy, GM ( Not even Chryslter anymore since it's now a european company ) either lose their customer base because well their costs are higher or they embrace the European/Asian model, and Less workers will be needed in the future; so who wins ? No one.



Quite frankly, All this will do is just open up the American car industry to competition from the Chinese, and other non American car manufacturers.


And I'm 100 percent sure, that that the non American car manufacturers will win if UAW has their way.

And do you want that ? Not me.


We have to think big picture. What is happening with American Auto manufacturers is similar to what is happening with Hollywood and Sag aftra. A declining product. Competition from overseas. and the threat of new technologies.

Do I support American manfacturing? Yes ! One hundred percent. Do I support American Unions ? Of course !

But, cars are a losing proposition. We are better off pursuing high value manufacturing, advanced manfacturing.

Pigs will fly before a single Chinese car is sold in America.

People said the same thing about Japaneese Automakers like Toyota and Honda. Remember when the US automakers tried to push back again Honda and Toyota's rise in the 1980s ?

https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/26/business/japan-american-honda-hnk-intl/index.html

It flopped, consumers fled in droves in the 80s and 90s to cars like the Camry and accord, because of the reliability, and lower cost.


US Automakers could not compete.

[jojoju1998]

As for the topic at hand: unlike certain types of unions such as teachers unions or hospital unions where a third group (such as students or patients) is effectively held hostage, or public unions more broadly that put the squeeze on state and federal finances paid for by our tax dollars, negotiations between private unions and management are purely between the workers and the company. I am all in favor of higher wages and in most cases, for blue collar work at least (white collar unions are a different kettle of fish because the work is much more individualized in most cases, and for example software engineer unions usually seem to get turned into a vehicle for 'woke' grievance mongering rather than working conditions), I will absolutely stand on the side of the workers unless the demands they are making are truly absurd at an unusual level.

Producer-focused economics are far superior to consumer-focused economics any day. Higher wages for the American worker are unequivocally good. And no amount of cheap imported appliances will ever make up for the wholesale destruction of entire communities wrought by the steady march of outsourcing and so-called "free trade".

What type of manufacturing are you talking about though ? Last I heard, America remains the second largest manufacturer in the world.