The Gun Control Thread!

[ilikeverin]

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http://www.twincities.com/mld/twincities/news/breaking_news/9144702.htm

*happy dance*

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

before anyone whines about judicial activism, note that the reasoning was the bill had unrelated legislation attached, which violated the State Constitution requiring bills only to deal with the key issue here.

I really don't care on the issue, since the law was pretty much worthless in my city anyway. You'd have a tough time finding a building here with no "no guns allowed" sign.

[John Dibble]

Like criminals care whether or not carrying a gun is legal or not.

[AuH2O]

Though I personally would not do a such a thing, note that, per the words of the Founding Fathers, violence against this judge would be in the best interests of democracy.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

We have a lawsuit over similar bobtailing of an unrelated provision onto another bill going on here in SC.  However in our case, it was mainly over a bunch of  unrelated pork added ti the Life Sciences bill.

[12th Doctor]

This just in:

The muder rate in the Twin Cities has spiked 500% as innocent citizens get gunned down, because they have no means of protecting themselves.

[??????????]

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http://www.twincities.com/mld/twincities/news/breaking_news/9144702.htm

*happy dance*

Why does that make you happy?

[The Duke]

Wonderful.  Just wonderful.  Now, criminals who don't care about laws will be armed, but law biding citizens will be defenseless!

The liberal dream where the bad guy (street thugs, terrorists, the USSR) can roll the good guys (little old ladies, America) any time they want.

[KEmperor]

Horrible news.

[ilikeverin]

Although I'm afraid  that some of you Religious Righters will face a quadry about this issue, as the suit was brought up by religious organizations

[KEmperor]

Although I'm afraid  that some of you Religious Righters will face a quadry about this issue, as the suit was brought up by religious organizations

Another good reason for getting rid of religions altogether.  Thanks verin!

[ilikeverin]

Like criminals care whether or not carrying a gun is legal or not.

So we must make it harder to get a gun.

Besides, Concealed Carry would only help crminials... for instance, if a criminal was walking to shoot someone, but was stopped by a cop:

Cop: Is that a gun you're hiding?
Criminal: Er, why, yes, yes it is.
Cop: Can I see your Concealed Carry permit?
Criminal: Here you are...

And then the criminal would walk on and shoot a family of 8.

[ilikeverin]

Though I personally would not do a such a thing, note that, per the words of the Founding Fathers, violence against this judge would be in the best interests of democracy.

So you're anti-State-Constitution?

[ilikeverin]

This just in:

The muder rate in the Twin Cities has spiked 500% as innocent citizens get gunned down, because they have no means of protecting themselves.

Crime figures aren't available for dates that recent, I think

Besides, AFAIK the crime rate has not gone down since the law was passed.

[ilikeverin]

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http://www.twincities.com/mld/twincities/news/breaking_news/9144702.htm

*happy dance*

Why does that make you happy?

See above reasons.

[ilikeverin]

Although I'm afraid  that some of you Religious Righters will face a quadry about this issue, as the suit was brought up by religious organizations

Another good reason for getting rid of religions altogether.  Thanks verin!

Err...

[ilikeverin]

Wonderful.  Just wonderful.  Now, criminals who don't care about laws will be armed, but law biding citizens will be defenseless!

The liberal dream where the bad guy (street thugs, terrorists, the USSR) can roll the good guys (little old ladies, America) any time they want.

See my response to John Dibble.

[12th Doctor]

Like criminals care whether or not carrying a gun is legal or not.

So we must make it harder to get a gun.

Besides, Concealed Carry would only help crminials... for instance, if a criminal was walking to shoot someone, but was stopped by a cop:

Cop: Is that a gun you're hiding?
Criminal: Er, why, yes, yes it is.
Cop: Can I see your Concealed Carry permit?
Criminal: Here you are...

And then the criminal would walk on and shoot a family of 8.

Ha, you are so nieve.  I won't hold it against you, because you are so young.  

[ilikeverin]

Like criminals care whether or not carrying a gun is legal or not.

So we must make it harder to get a gun.

Besides, Concealed Carry would only help crminials... for instance, if a criminal was walking to shoot someone, but was stopped by a cop:

Cop: Is that a gun you're hiding?
Criminal: Er, why, yes, yes it is.
Cop: Can I see your Concealed Carry permit?
Criminal: Here you are...

And then the criminal would walk on and shoot a family of 8.

Ha, you are so nieve.  I won't hold it against you, because you are so young.  

You are now on the MarkDel list!!!!!

(I forget, there's one other person on it besides MarkDel and, now, you... oh well )

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

pretty much every public building in any city where you had any chance of running into an armed ciriminal "NO GUNS ALLOWED ON THESE PREMISES" sign outside. And if you live in some little hick town of 200, is anyone really going to care that you're carrying a gun without a permit? Not much of a difference.

[The Duke]

Like criminals care whether or not carrying a gun is legal or not.

So we must make it harder to get a gun.

Besides, Concealed Carry would only help crminials... for instance, if a criminal was walking to shoot someone, but was stopped by a cop:

Cop: Is that a gun you're hiding?
Criminal: Er, why, yes, yes it is.
Cop: Can I see your Concealed Carry permit?
Criminal: Here you are...

And then the criminal would walk on and shoot a family of 8.

"So we must make it harder to get a gun."

This is why you got called naive.

It's like trying to stop a natural disaster.  A flood wipes out your house, so you say, "Make the house stronger!".  Another flood, the very next year wipes out your house.  You say, "Make it stronger still."

No matter how many gun control laws are passed, and no matter how devastating the outcome is on ordinary people, you still try the same answer that failed before.

I want you to look up trends in the crime rate in states that have passed conceal and carry laws before and after the law was passed.  You will find that an armed nation is a polite nation.

[??????????]

Concealed weapon laws do have effect. For example when the law was passed here crime did drop.

[John Dibble]

Like criminals care whether or not carrying a gun is legal or not.

So we must make it harder to get a gun.

Besides, Concealed Carry would only help crminials... for instance, if a criminal was walking to shoot someone, but was stopped by a cop:

Cop: Is that a gun you're hiding?
Criminal: Er, why, yes, yes it is.
Cop: Can I see your Concealed Carry permit?
Criminal: Here you are...

And then the criminal would walk on and shoot a family of 8.

Right. Sure. So what makes you think the criminal wouldn't just shoot the cop if it was illegal?

And even if it is harder for criminals to attain guns, they will still attain them - they aren't afraid to use the black market(make guns hard to get and I assure you one will come, and crime will rise because of it). And, myself and other law abiding citizens will be unarmed when attacked. Who's going to protect me? The police? A criminal won't attack when the police are around, and the police definitely aren't always around. I'd rather have the ability to defend myself thank you(armed resistance has a lower injury rate to the victim than not resisting at all).

[AuH2O]

They do help. Last year where I live (when I'm not in school), a guy robbed an ABC store. On the way out, he turned to fire on the cashier- but a customer in the store had a concealed carry permit and shot the criminal 5 times or so before he could hurt anyone.

Things like that happen all the time- having the gun prevents many crimes (I know someone who was about to get carjacked, showed a piece, and the thugs got back in their car and left). It can stop someone committing a robbery dead in their tracks, and if the criminal is armed it gives the option of using force against them.

[JohnFKennedy]

Look at DC - they have the toughest gun laws in the nation, and yet the highest crime rate. DC is living proof gun control dosen't work.

But D.C. is very different from Minnesota.