Describe a person who supports private Social Security AND and government-run Medicare for All
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« on: September 04, 2023, 01:18:37 PM »

This person wants Social Security to be privatized, but they also want the government to guarantee free, nationalized healthcare. Describe this person's rationale, and also describe how they would have voted in recent Presidential elections.
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« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2023, 05:20:23 PM »

- Maybe some upper middle class younger people in the early to mid 2000.

- A very non partisan policy wonk
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« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2023, 07:56:18 PM »

Millennial or zoomer progressive who spends too much time on Twitter and hates old people for voting the "wrong" way.
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« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2023, 09:00:27 PM »

Young person who has completely given up hope on receiving socials security benefits.
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« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2023, 09:46:27 PM »

I think Paulo Guedes, the Brazilian Minister of Economy under Bolsonaro's administration (2019-2022), fits into this description. He wanted to introduce the Chilean pension system based on individual savings (we can describe this system as a private system). This plan failed (good!) because there was no support in the Congress. On the other hand, he never tried to change the SUS model. SUS is the single-payer public universal free healthcare in Brazil. There were no attempts to privatize it or to introduce fees.
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« Reply #5 on: September 05, 2023, 09:13:01 AM »

Young person who has completely given up hope on receiving socials security benefits.

aka me in about 2 years
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« Reply #6 on: September 05, 2023, 03:15:21 PM »

Young person who has completely given up hope on receiving socials security benefits.

Even more specifically, one who is 25 (about to turn 26) and unemployed.
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« Reply #7 on: September 05, 2023, 07:11:24 PM »

Someone that relies on the healthcare system but believes that elderly and disabled people should be taken care of at home without government interference. Obviously not Medicare for All but I could see anti-social security but pro universal-healthcare as being a somewhat popular policy position around the Great Depression era.
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« Reply #8 on: September 05, 2023, 09:46:42 PM »

Well ideally some sort of negative income tax/UBI would be implemented that would eliminate the need for Social Security.
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« Reply #9 on: September 05, 2023, 11:17:48 PM »

This isn't quite my position, but in a vacuum, I would definitely support something like Medicare for All (i.e., universal single-provider or single-payer) more strongly than any sort of Social Security program.

The only argument against this position which appeals to me is the relative costs of managing the two systems. But this is an afterthought and generally speaking, upfront medical coverage and a general ethos of healthy-at-every-age is strongly preferable to a program which could be described at worst as a Ponzi scheme and at best as the epitome of "managed decline."
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