Could we see an "egalitarian" vs "idpol" alignment?
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« on: August 31, 2023, 12:12:35 PM »

Egalitarian alignment:
- Views identity politics negatively
- Unconditionally supports equality of opportunity and strives for equality of outcome by race, gender, religion, nationality, or sexuality
- Believes that laws should be written in a race/gender/religion/nationality/sexuality-blind manner
- Supports strong welfare programs and redistribution of income from the wealthy/wealthy communities to the poor/poor communities
- Supports the right of employees to unionize against workers
- Opposes discrimination and segregation in nearly every circumstance
- Supports a staunchly internationalist foreign policy focused on egalitarian principles worldwide, enforcing human rights, and class consciousness
- Believes that legislation should be passed at the federal level to ensure egalitarian principles are upheld across the country
- Holds constructivist attitudes on race and gender
- Believes that race is a social construct and that gender roles should be abolished, viewing them as hurdles to an egalitarian society
- Contains at its ideological core: socialists, intersectional feminists, class reductionists, and social progressives

Idpol alignment:
- Views identity politics positively
- Believes that different racial, gender, religious, national, or sexual groups should dominate different aspects of society
- Believes that laws that address the needs of specific racial, gender, religious, national, or sexual groups should give extra protections to such groups
- Opposes strengthening welfare programs, seeing them as vehicles for the advancement of socialism
- Supports segregation in many circumstances
- Supports a nationalist foreign policy and closed borders, believing that a global organization cannot address the needs of different cultures and that immigration should be kept at a minimum
- Believes legislation should be passed at a local level due to cultural differences between states
- Holds essentialist attitudes on race and gender
- Believes that gender roles should be upheld, viewing them as necessary for a functioning society
- Contains at its ideological core: laissez-faire capitalists, nationalists, patriarchy and matriarchy supporters, theocrats, and social conservatives

To give some concrete examples, liberal feminists and men's liberation supporters might support egalitarians for their opposition to gender roles; TERFs and hardcore manosphere supporters might support idpols for their support of gender roles and/or their openness to anti-transgender viewpoints. Hardcore theocrats and atheists who view religion negatively might support idpols, and secular people, religious or not, might support egalitarians. Most BLM supporters might support egalitarians for their support of racial equality, but Nation of Islam supporters and white nationalists might support idpols for their willingness to support specific race-related protections.

Could such ideological coalitions exist in the future? If so, what sorts of issues would it take for these coalitions to arise?
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« Reply #1 on: August 31, 2023, 12:54:37 PM »

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« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2023, 07:29:50 AM »

I think it could, especially if issues regarding racial diversity and transgender/non-binary people become prominent. I doubt Ku Klux Klan or Nation of Islam members would be supportive of multiculturalism, and I doubt misogynists or misandrists would be supportive of transgender rights.
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« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2023, 04:16:45 PM »

Also, we have seen this sort of alignment before on certain issues. Currently, the Republican Party is dominant with the ultra-pro-Israel crowd and the anti-Semitic crowd.
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« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2023, 08:13:00 PM »
« Edited: October 18, 2023, 07:05:27 PM by Vosem »

Yeah, I've pointed out before that something like this was the 1960s alignment (with segregationists and civil rights activists in one party, and people concerned about communism abroad in the other), and it was more stable than it appeared at first glance.

My guess for a while has been that as trust in government continues declining, and the conservative court system and likely deprofessionalized civil service sap the state of the ability to do stuff, that the dream society of the populists will become ever more distant, so that these individuals will ultimately join the Democrats (much as Richard Spencer already has!). Sociologically these people seem much more similar to professional-class Democrats than to normie Republicans, and I don't think their alignment with the latter is actually very stable. So, in fact, I actually do expect something very much like this to happen.
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