MP USA interest thread

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

Now that I'm basically retired from Atlasia, I was interested in seeing if there would be interest in restarting something. I haven't moderated a timeline in over ten years, and I've never played or even posted on this board before, but I'm interested in trying my hand at this.

The scenario is straightforward: the USA has adopted a Parliamentary system with various parties that each have enough support to deny any single party a majority in Congress. One Prime Minister will be elected among multiple Deputy Prime Ministers who coalition with the largest party - if that party is able to negotiate effectively.

Parties are as follows:

Progressive Party
Ideology: center-left, internationalism, social liberalism
Prominent members: Joe Biden, Hakeem Jeffries, Gretchen Whitmer

Red-Green Party
Ideology: left-wing, socialism, progressivism, environmentalism
Prominent members: Bernie Sanders, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, John Fetterman

Liberal Party
Ideology: centrism, internationalism, social liberalism
Prominent members: Josh Gottheimer, Kyrsten Sinema, Seth Moulton

Conservative Party
Ideology: center-right, fiscal conservatism, conservative liberalism
Prominent members: Chris Christie, Mitch McConnell, Kevin McCarthy

National Liberty Party
Ideology: right-wing populism, national conservatism
Prominent members: Donald Trump, Rick Scott, Josh Hawley

Family Values Party
Ideology: right-wing, social conservatism, Christian right
Prominent members: Mike Huckabee, Rick Santorum, Ted Cruz

Party for Freedom*
Ideology: far-right, Christian nationalism, right-wing populism
Prominent members: Marjorie Taylor Greene, Lauren Boebert
_{*no party will coalition with them, so whoever takes this party essentially runs a meme candidacy}

My thinking is that players are allowed to control a party, and the leader of each party gets to choose whoever they want for leader. That can be a member of Congress, a governor, current or retired, really whoever they want as long as it's realistic and somebody who's in line with what the party represents. I will approve all selections.

The Netherlands is essentially the model I'm looking to adopt. After an election which will be determined by campaign quality, the cabinet will be composed of people in the various parties that form the coalition. Cabinet formation will be something I let the party leaders choose.

I am not doing this however unless there's clear interest. With Atlasia being what it is now, this is probably the best time to offer an alternative.

[S019]

Expressing interest, I would like to reserve the Progressive Party

[GoTfan]

Interested for sure to play as the Red-Greens

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

Expressing interest, I would like to reserve the Progressive Party

Interested for sure to play as the Red-Greens

Not accepting reservations yet but I appreciate the interest, and also another user told me they have a similar concept in mind in which the USA is still part of the British Empire, so we are collaborating. Parties and everything else will be fleshed out later.

[RGM2609]

Interested!

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

Sorry Scott, I was very busy today and couldn't post until now.

This is my proposal. It is based on Leinad's timeline on AH.com, called Hail Britannia.


Scenario One: Britain wins the ARW, forms a Imperial Federation in 1876.


Scenario Two: Britain wins the ARW, but America is limited to the eastern US.


Scenario Three: Britain wins the ARW, but expands.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

Personally, I think Scenario Three would be the easiest to use, because we have a good electoral map to base the project around and it's a bit more America-centric.

Prime Ministers of the Commonwealth of America.
1860-1865: Abraham Lincoln (Liberal-Conservative) (1)**
1865-1868: John MacDonald (Liberal-Conservative) (2)
1868-1876: Horatio Seymour (Liberal) (3)
1876-1880: James Blaine (Conservative) (4)
1880-1884: Edward Blake (Liberal) (5)
1884-1892: James Garfield (Conservative) (6)
1892-1900: Adlai Stevenson (Liberal) (7)
1900-1901: William McKinley (Conservative) (8)**
1901-1912: Joseph Cannon (Conservative) (9)
1912-1919: Woodrow Wilson (Liberal) (10)*
1919-1920: Thomas Marshall (Liberal) (11)
1920-1923: Warren Harding (Conservative) (12)*
1923-1930: Calvin Coolidge (Conservative) (13)
1930-1932: Richard Bennett (Conservative) (14)
1932-1945: Franklin Roosevelt (Liberal) (15)*
1945-1953: Harry Truman (Liberal) (16)
1953-1962: Harold Stassen (Progressive Conservative) (17)
1962-1968: Lyndon Johnson (Liberal) (18)
1968-1974: Richard Nixon (Progressive Conservative) (19)
1974-1976: Gerald Ford (Progressive Conservative) (20)
1976-1980: Pierre Trudeau (Liberal) (21)
1980-1993: George Bush (Progressive Conservative) (22)
1993-1993: Lynn Martin (Progressive Conservative) (23)
1993-1999: William Clinton (Liberal) (24)
1999-2005: Jean Chretien (Liberal) (25)
2005-2008: John McCain (Conservative - Reform coalition) (26)
2008-2010: Hillary Clinton (Liberal - Democratic coalition) (27)
2010-2015: Willard Romney (Conservative) (28)
2015-2023: Justin Trudeau (Liberal) (29)

Parties as of 2023.
Conservative (Paul Ryan):
Liberal (Justin Trudeau):
Democratic (Elizabeth Warren):
People's Alliance (Vivek Ramaswamy):
Green (Elizabeth May):
Reform (Justin Amash):
I also propose that we play as real life political figures rather than our Atlas profiles as we do in Atlasia.

[Del Tachi]

I'd be interested in playing one of the center-right parties, or maybe even the Liberals.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

I have fourth map we could use. Will post tomorrow.

[NewYorkExpress]

Interested in any one of the Progressive, Red-Green or Liberal Parties.

Prime Minister Barack Obama has a nice ring to it (either that or Prime Minister Michelle Obama).

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

I have fourth map we could use. Will post tomorrow.

Can't wait to see it. Right now I also prefer map 3. I have to admit that the abolishment of traditional state borders is a bit peevish, but we don't have states anymore.

It's still early but I'm glad to see this gain some traction!

[Del Tachi]

Q:  Do we run the campaign and the coalition talks?  Or just the talks? 

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

Q:  Do we run the campaign and the coalition talks?  Or just the talks? 

Both. Governments will also, ideally, have the opportunity to legislate. That's possible if it garners enough interest, of course.

This will be very similar to the Atlasia NPC campaigns (for those who remember/were involved). The GM team would be me and Sanchez (one Biden supporter, one Trump supporter) and all sides will get a fair shake, and hopefully more autonomy as well.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

I have fourth map we could use. Will post tomorrow.

Can't wait to see it. Right now I also prefer map 3. I have to admit that the abolishment of traditional state borders is a bit peevish, but we don't have states anymore.

It's still early but I'm glad to see this gain some traction!

Actually map 3 retains most provincial/state borders. I’ll show you more details of that country’s lore in a bit.

[PPT Spiral]

Going on the record to express my interest here. The imperial federation scenario sounds the most intriguing to simulate, though I ultimately would defer to whatever is easiest for maintaining the game.

This doesn't have to be answered right away, but I was curious whether the natural-born-citizen clause would still be upheld for Prime Ministers.

[YPestis25]

Also gonna note my interest! I’m also somewhat partial to the imperial federation map, if only for all the challenges a potential premier would have to address (just think of the independence movements). Like Spiral I’d also defer to y’all though.

[Continential]

I'd be interested in playing.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

The problem with the Imperial Federation Map is that I don't have a blank version and it has been hard to edit thus far. The creator however did supply me with an MPs list.

List of Prime Ministers of the Imperial Federation.
1876-1880: Benjamin Disraeli (Conservative) (1)
1880-1881: Samuel Tilden (Conservative) (2)
1881-1886: William Gladstone (Liberal) (3)
1886-1889: Grover Cleveland (Conservative) (4)
1889-1892: William Gladstone (Liberal) (5)
1892-1896: Grover Cleveland (Conservative) (6)
1896-1906: Joseph Chamberlain (Imperial Unionist - Conservative) (7)
1906-1908: Arthur Balfour (Conservative - Liberal coalition) (8)
1908-1912: Wilfrid Laurier (Liberal - Progressive coalition) (9)
1912-1915: David Lloyd George (Liberal - Progressive coalition) (10)
1915-1919: Theodore Roosevelt (Progressive - Liberal - Labour coalition) (11)
1919-1920: Robert LaFollette (Progressive - Liberal - Labour coalition) (12)
1920-1923: Andrew B. Law (Conservative) (13)*
1923-1930: Calvin Coolidge (Conservative) (14)
1930-1933: Richard Bennett (Conservative) (15)
1933-1938: Franklin Roosevelt (Labour) (16)
1938-1941: Stanley Baldwin (Conservative) (17)
1941-1945: Winston Churchill (War Government) (18)
1945-1951: Harry S. Truman (Labour) (19)
1951-1955: Winston Churchill (Conservative) (20)
1955-1957: Anthony Eden (Conservative) (21)
1957-1963: Robert Menzies (Conservative) (22)
1963-1964: Nelson Rockefeller (Conservative) (23)
1964-1970: Hubert Humphrey (Labour) (24)
1970-1974: Edward Heath (Conservative) (25)
1974-1976: Hubert Humphrey (Labour) (26)
1976-1980: Pierre Trudeau (Labour) (27)
1980-1981: George Bush (Conservative - Liberal coalition) (28)
1981-1985: Walter Mondale (Labour - Liberal coalition) (29)
1985-1993: Margaret Thatcher (Conservative) (30)
1993-2003: Joseph Biden (Labour) (31)
2003-2005: Anthony Blair (Labour) (32)
2005-2010: Stephen Harper (Conservative) (33)
2010-2011: Jack Layton (Labour) (34)*
2011-2018: David Milliband (Labour) (35)
2018-2022: Paul Ryan (Conservative) (36)

Parties as of 2023:
Labour (Jacinda Arden): Social Democracy, progressivism, trade unionism, left-wing.
Conservative (Paul Ryan): Conservatism, unionism, economic liberalism, center-right.
People's Alliance (Nigel Farage): Unionism, Euroscepticism, national conservatism, right-wing populism.
Liberal (Justin Amash): Libertarianism, federalism, constitutionalism, center-right.
Red - Green Alliance (Jeremy Corbyn/Elizabeth May): Eco-socialism, environmentalism, community politics.
Scottish National (Nicola Sturgeon): Scottish separatism, republicanism, social democracy.
Bloc Quebecois (Mario Beaulieu): Quebec separatism, republicanism, social democracy.
Sinn Fein (Gerry Adams): Irish separatism, republicanism, socialism.
Plaid Cymru (Adam Price): Welsh nationalism, social democracy, regionalism.
Party for Freedom (Tommy Robinson): British nationalism, social conservatism, nativism, far-right.

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

Something I want to emphasize pre-emptively and state what I already have on the relevant server: Discord use should be kept to a minimum. Right now there's a server where so far I've invited Sanchez and S019 (PM me for the link) but my intention is to kick everyone out if/when we've established a fun, popular, functioning game. This is NOT Atlasia. And I will do everything in my power to keep at least 95% of activity on the forum. Even coalition talks can be done via PM. In fact, the party leaders can all just submit their demands via PM to either Sanchez or myself as long as we're dictators GMs, and we can do the mediation. (Or better yet, make a thread. )

Even if most of the players are also involved with Atlasia, I want to make abundantly clear that this is not an attempt to replicate Atlasia in any way, shape, or form.

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

The problem with the Imperial Federation Map is that I don't have a blank version and it has been hard to edit thus far. The creator however did supply me with an MPs list.
-snip-

This is an interesting list, but obviously we're not including separatist parties (all but maybe one or two playable parties should have a chance to win an election) I think we should expand it to create a competitive party from the left that has a chance at being able to form a government, in addition to a left-wing coalition partner.

Name changes I would make for both the OP and this list:

Progressive Party -> Labour Party
Red-Green Party/Green Party -> Red-Green Coalition
Libertarian -> Liberal

Maybe the Loyalist Party can just absorb the Party for Freedom. That will be our token unelectable kook party whose player is our court jester.

[Del Tachi]

Adding Canda/Commonwealth politics into the mix would kind of make this more of a chore for me (just because I don't know as much about these places as the good ol' US of A.)  

I think we'd get more realistic, informed RP if we stuck to a USA-only setting.  

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

The problem with the Imperial Federation Map is that I don't have a blank version and it has been hard to edit thus far. The creator however did supply me with an MPs list.
-snip-

This is an interesting list, but obviously we're not including separatist parties (all but maybe one or two playable parties should have a chance to win an election) I think we should expand it to create a competitive party from the left that has a chance at being able to form a government, in addition to a left-wing coalition partner.

Name changes I would make for both the OP and this list:

Progressive Party -> Labour Party
Red-Green Party/Green Party -> Red-Green Coalition
Libertarian -> Liberal

Maybe the Loyalist Party can just absorb the Party for Freedom. That will be our token unelectable kook party whose player is our court jester.

I will get started on these changes in a second and adjust the list.

[Continential]

Adding Canda/Commonwealth politics into the mix would kind of make this more of a chore for me (just because I don't know as much about these places as the good ol' US of A.) 

I think we'd get more realistic, informed RP if we stuck to a USA-only setting. 

Yeah I agree with Del Tachi on this, although I support a USA+Canada setting.  Having the Commonwealth in this would make this a lot more complicated than just having the US (and Canada).

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

Adding Canda/Commonwealth politics into the mix would kind of make this more of a chore for me (just because I don't know as much about these places as the good ol' US of A.) 

I think we'd get more realistic, informed RP if we stuck to a USA-only setting. 

Yeah I agree with Del Tachi on this, although I support a USA+Canada setting.  Having the Commonwealth in this would make this a lot more complicated than just having the US (and Canada).

This is very true. I have provided two opposing scenarios (Commonwealth of America vs. Imperial Federation), perhaps a potential poll can settle this?

[OBD]

I would be happy to create detailed DRA maps for this scenario once informed of the redistircting parameters.