BREAKING: Yevgeny Prigozhin dead after a jet crash in Russia

[NOVA Green]

Interestingly enough, regardless of whom may or may not have been onboard the aircraft, it appears that the current expert consensus is not that the plane was shot down, and a mechanical fault has been mostly eliminated, but rather an explosion onboard.

I'm taking a break from quoting from articles for now, so apologies for those who don't have NYT accounts, since apparently some Atlas haters believe news is only for those well off enough to be able to afford online newspaper subscriptions.


https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/08/24/world/prigozhin-russia-ukraine-news

[Former President tack50]

I mean, that doesn't really do much to disprove that Putin ordered the plane destroyed does it?

Whether it got shot down or Putin somehow managed to plant a bomb is fairly irrelevant. That being said, it is not the modus operandi one would first expect, I would assume shooting him down would be way easier.

[Oleg 🇰🇿🤝🇺🇦]

We should never sign peace with Russia, even if Ukraine conquered all land back, we should continue the war and march to Moscow.

It's redundant. If they negotiate with the Chinese in the same manner that they negotiate among themselves, the West will just have to stock up on popcorn.

[Oleg 🇰🇿🤝🇺🇦]

Rest in pieces:

https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1694429759634039267?s=20

How often does a group get its name after the nickname of a person who is just a "right hand" in it?

[Oleg 🇰🇿🤝🇺🇦]

Well, this is the case when the way these facts will look in the history book is completely at odds with how it happened in reality, while remaining facts. "Prigo captured part of Russia from Rostov to Moscow, but suddenly realized that he could not take the Kremlin and surrendered. Putin grabbed his ass, put him in a private jet and blew him up in the air. That's all folks!" If folks don't go into details that drastically change this story, everything will look like this. And folks don't like details very much.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

I mean, that doesn't really do much to disprove that Putin ordered the plane destroyed does it?

It actually makes it even more likely hahahaha

[Sir Mohamed]

Are they seriously denying it? Can't make that stuff up, lol.

[Zinneke]

Putin may have just approved of it, its fair to say the two guys whose lives/careers ended had more than enough enemies in branches of the security services and military for this to be a more personal hit that Putin "let happen" than him actively organising it.

[Oleg 🇰🇿🤝🇺🇦]

So what do we have?

1. Most likely, Prigozhin and Utkin were really killed, because if it were necessary to fake their death in order to save from Putin's wrath, for some kind of secret operation or for something else, they would have done it just after the secret meeting between Wagner and Putin on June 29. This delay, when Prigozhin was killed just when he completely stopped hyping and went into the shadows (which I predicted), having managed to show loyalty to the Kremlin before that, this delay indicates a real vendetta in the best Sicilian traditions. Also, Prigozhin himself spoke almost with tears the day before about his imminent death. He was no longer as cheerful and self-satisfied as before, during and long after the "mutiny".

2. As the Kremlin propagandists chant in chorus supposedly it's stupid to suspect the murder of someone whom people immediately suspect of the murder, and they point the arrows at the Ukrainians, we can be absolutely sure that the Ukrainians had nothing to do with this and that Putin really ordered this murder.

3. The question arises, why would Putin kill his loyal b****es, putting the country on the brink of civil war? Well, Stalin shot almost all of his generals and marshals so that they would not object to his secret agreement with the Third Reich. Herewith, Stalin accused them of collaborating with the Third Reich. In the current situation, this analogy does not work well, since modern Russia is enthusiastically playing the role of the Third Reich, but we can assume that this purge was also carried out in order to deflect future objections. Nothing is heard about Andrei Troshev, the third of the Wagner triumvirate. In July, Putin announced that it was Troshev who would direct Wagner instead of Prigozhin: https://rtvi.com/news/putin-rasskazal-kto-budet-rukovodit-chvk-vagner-vmesto-prigozhina/  It seemed very strange to me then, because Troshev already direct Wagner, without that. But given the missing puzzle in the form of the assassination of Prigozhin and Utkin, we can now assume that even these two Putin's right-hand men were not loyal enough to accept his plan. And only Troshev agreed.

[Oleg 🇰🇿🤝🇺🇦]

https://t.me/nexta_live/59887 (video)

A certain Wagnerian shows and tells that in the Wagner cemetery some people threw out all the crosses (and possibly black pyramids too), covered the cemetery with rubble and apparently are preparing to make a concrete or asphalt platform there. It looks like the Kremlin will now really annihilate some part of Wagner, both physically and informationally.

[MasterJedi]

Should have known it would happen, Putin wouldn’t let him live.

[TiltsAreUnderrated]

https://t.me/nexta_live/59887 (video)

A certain Wagnerian shows and tells that in the Wagner cemetery some people threw out all the crosses (and possibly black pyramids too), covered the cemetery with rubble and apparently are preparing to make a concrete or asphalt platform there. It looks like the Kremlin will now really annihilate some part of Wagner, both physically and informationally.

Some local claim (according to 63.ru) that the graves are to be replaced with black obelisks in time, but I have my doubts.

Prior to the war, Wagner was widely mistrusted, if not outright hated - they were a mercenary group made up mostly of men who behaved so badly that they managed to get dishonourably discharged from the Russian army, along with those drawn to such men. Hopefully, they'll be facing the same (or worse) attitudes afterwards as well.

[2952-0-0]

Prior to the war, Wagner was widely mistrusted, if not outright hated - they were a mercenary group made up mostly of men who behaved so badly that they managed to get dishonourably discharged from the Russian army, along with those drawn to such men. Hopefully, they'll be facing the same (or worse) attitudes afterwards as well.

...and then what? The Wagner alumni will be on the street and unable to get any real jobs. They will then resume their old trades, knowing that their status as Wagner alumni would make them untouchable. This will lead to a Mad Max dystopia all across rural Russia.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/apr/22/alcohol-and-prostitutes-wagner-convicts-pardoned-by-putin-return-to-terrorise-home-towns
https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-convict-wagner-crime-108e410835e4bf27ac3192cd7f945b39

[PSOL]

The remaining dissenters will be wiped out or marginalized in time.

With Wagner and the rest of the nationalist camp out of the picture and most problematic units now in check, Russia has denazified their military and stability is the highest it has been since 2014.

[TheReckoning]

Let’s not jump to conclusions here.

[NOVA Green]

Let’s not jump to conclusions here.

Insert the obligatory...

[NOVA Green]

OK--- I'll briefly break my own self-imposed ban on quoting from articles, since WaPo articles are generally fairly inaccessible for those without paid subscriptions.

Haters feel free to report my post like such cowards as yourselves have done in the past.

Looks like the wolves are already circling, to the point that one might wonder that even if Putin didn't directly order the hit, he green lit other entrepreneurs eager to carve up Wagner's extremely vast and profitable global patronage empire.

“There are some competent people who would love to go in and graft his budgets, but there is no figure similar to Prigozhin, one that has an enormous stream of money, or similar working efficiency and enthusiasm,” said Denis Korotkov, a veteran Russian journalist who has reported on Wagner for the last decade.

Yet one high-ranking Wagner insider, Andrei Troshev, has emerged as a potential contender to step in and run what’s left of the group. A former lieutenant colonel in Russia’s ministry of internal affairs, Troshev is believed to have been the main liaison between Prigozhin and the Defense Ministry during the war in Ukraine. And he is one of the few public figures within Wagner who was not listed on the passenger manifest of the plane that went down northwest of Moscow on Wednesday.

Wagner-linked Telegram channels and military bloggers said in recent weeks that Troshev had been ousted from the group, alleging that he betrayed Prigozhin after the June rebellion and was eager to strike a deal with the Defense Ministry. Sergei Shoigu, Russia’s defense minister, has long fought to take control of the paramilitary force, and his feud with Prigozhin helped precipitate Wagner’s short-lived march on Moscow.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/08/25/wagner-group-successors-mercenary-companies/

[Oleg 🇰🇿🤝🇺🇦]

Great quote, but the last sentence is very dubious. It's difficult to find a more apathetic and indifferent person than Shoigu. I guess with better reason that Shoigu has long fought to control of the alcohol force with his stomach. Being a FSO division, Wagner is too tough for Shoigu, it's the level of Putin personally.

[GM Team Member and Senator WB]

anyone questioning why he'd kill Prigozhin does not have any knowledge of Russian history. See: Yagoda being Stalin's main man for purging until he himself was purged.

[Oleg 🇰🇿🤝🇺🇦]

By the way, it's rather suspicious that the Western media are trying with all their might to support Putin's falling apart cover stories, suitable only as an alternative to Marvel movies. Even when Putin blabbed that the Kremlin was spending billions on Wagner's direct funding, they continue to view Wagner as a completely independent private company opposed to the Kremlin. Maybe they are just trying to please their audience, which has the goldfish memory and does not see candy behind the candy wrapper.

[Oleg 🇰🇿🤝🇺🇦]

anyone questioning why he'd kill Prigozhin does not have any knowledge of Russian history. See: Yagoda being Stalin's main man for purging until he himself was purged.

So what was the reason for Yagoda's killing?

[CumbrianLefty]

Well done on a thousand posts sir.

[Oleg 🇰🇿🤝🇺🇦]

Well done on a thousand posts sir.

Thank you sir!

[oldtimer]

anyone questioning why he'd kill Prigozhin does not have any knowledge of Russian history. See: Yagoda being Stalin's main man for purging until he himself was purged.

So what was the reason for Yagoda's killing?

Stalin ordered him to kill Kirov, so Yagoda was executed by Yezhov on Stalin's orders, to cover up the original crime.

Then Yezhov was also executed by Beria on Stalin's orders, because everyone in the USSR started to believe Yezhov was the real boss, and to cover up Stalin's involvement.

Basically the mafia habit of executing the executors so they can't talk.

We should expect the ones who obeyed the order to execute Prigozin, to also be executed by Putin.

[Oleg 🇰🇿🤝🇺🇦]

Stalin ordered him to kill Kirov, so Yagoda was executed by Yezhov on Stalin's orders, to cover up the original crime.

Then Yezhov was also executed by Beria on Stalin's orders, because everyone in the USSR started to believe Yezhov was the real boss, and to cover up Stalin's involvement.

Basically the mafia habit of executing the executors so they can't talk.

We should expect the ones who obeyed the order to execute Prigozin, to also be executed by Putin.

Now, in this scheme, the reason for concealing the crime is unclear. Mafia bosses do this to prevent the FBI from catching them and putting them in jail. Who is capable of doing the same with Stalin or Putin? They can make anyone in Russia eat a bowl of sh** just by saying it's a chocolate pie and the person will say, "Yes, it's a delicious chocolate pie!"