Will Mike Pence be regarded as a historical hero in the future?

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

As uncomfortable as that reality is for liberals today, I think the answer is an obvious "yes". Without January 6 he would be one of the most nondescript and forgettable VPs in history and only the future equivalent of Atlas nerds would ever talk about him 30/50/100 years from now. But January 6 is going to be remembered as one of the defining events in American history, and he's mostly only going to be remembered for the fact that he refused to go along with Trump's plan that could very well get Trump incarcerated. The fact that he still opposes same-sex marriage or that he was willing to even be Trump's running mate in the first place will be forgotten.

On that note Nancy Pelosi will probably be one of the most remembered House Speakers in US history too for similar reasons and because she was a target on January 6.

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Dan Quayle might deserve more credit.

[The Economy is Getting Worse]

No, he will be forgotten, other than being mentioned in one line of textbooks as Trump's VP.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

No because he passed the silly 2017 tax cuts he is only a hero because he was close to McCain who. Too supported that unaffordable tax bill, McCain clearly made the distribution that he was against Skinny Repeal but for Tax cuts that's why Trump wasn't invited to his Funeral but Pence was, that 2017 tax cuts was so red hot that the Rs felt we needed against many economics says and look at the Rs look Redban and OSR on the forum now they still blame D programs on Debts thats how R party are so devoted to millionaire tax cuts

Not a single D unlike in 2001 voted to 2017 tax cuts, look at Redban his devotion to R party I rest my vase

Someone won 1.55 B in lottery now if you are that rich you should care about tax cuts rescinded


Mike Pence said after 2008 landslide Rs are gonna launch a tea party revolt and give Corporations 20 percent tax CUTS , he got out the H he became Gov but he is still a Conserv

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

As uncomfortable as that reality is for liberals today, I think the answer is an obvious "yes".

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Here is the S roll call vote when VEEP Pence presided over the unaffordable tax cuts the difference in our Majority and our Minority Status is obviously CO Hick, AZ, Sinema, Kelly GA Ossoff and Warnock W 5 lost 3 and we lost McCaskill, Heitkamp and Nelson

https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_votes/vote1151/vote_115_1_00303.htm

Collins voted for it , she is gone for sure 26

[Ferguson97]

I think he’ll lose almost all of his goodwill when he endorses Trump again.

[emailking]

Probably. He might be a couple lines in textbooks, but he'll get a whole chapter in Profiles in Courage.

[Crumpets]

He largely won't be remembered by anyone born after ~2015, and to the extent that he is, he'll be remembered as a traitor by almost everyone on the right and as someone who did the absolute bare minimum right thing once by those on the left. Maybe he'll have some fans among nostalgic centrists who look back on 2021 as a time of relative unity and principled government compared to the rest of the century, but that's about it.

[MasterJedi]

He was Trump’s toady for four years and did the right thing one time, so no.

[Sir Mohamed]

"Hero" seems far-fetched, though his conduct on January 6 might have vindicated his historical legacy as VP of a POTUS who is/will be ranked at the rock bottom in presidential rankings to a certain degree.

[An American Tail: Fubart Goes West]

Given that he had to consult with Dan Quayle to see what he could do, that’s a big huge NO!

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

He largely won't be remembered by anyone born after ~2015, and to the extent that he is, he'll be remembered as a traitor by almost everyone on the right and as someone who did the absolute bare minimum right thing once by those on the left. Maybe he'll have some fans among nostalgic centrists who look back on 2021 as a time of relative unity and principled government compared to the rest of the century, but that's about it.

What I'm thinking is that in a couple decades Trump will be almost universally regarded as a villain just like segregationists are now and the GOP will probably all but disown his legacy. Pence could actually make a good replacement for him in that case then.

[Born to Slay. Forced to Work.]

You don’t get praise for doing the bare minimum

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

He was Trump’s toady for four years and did the right thing one time, so no.

Given that he had to consult with Dan Quayle to see what he could do, that’s a big huge NO!

Remember the question is not "does he deserve to be", that's a different point.

LBJ wasn't the most racially progressive guy, even by the standards of his time, in fact he was probably more racist than George Wallace on a personal level, but he's still not seen as racist today for obvious reasons.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

You don’t get praise for doing the bare minimum

I don't disagree, and recall when arguing that I would vote for the Democrat for Georgia Secretary of State that the fact that Raffensperger did not engage in flagrant violation of the duties of his office and blatantly break the law despite Trump requesting he do so is a reason why he shouldn't go to jail, not a reason to re-elect him. But the way things are seen in history there needs to be heroes along with villains, and Pence looks like a potential one in a vacuum.

Come to think of it Raffensperger will probably too be remembered as such and will definitely be one of the most remembered Secretaries of State ever even if he never holds any other office.

[LBJer]

He largely won't be remembered by anyone born after ~2015, and to the extent that he is, he'll be remembered as a traitor by almost everyone on the right and as someone who did the absolute bare minimum right thing once by those on the left. Maybe he'll have some fans among nostalgic centrists who look back on 2021 as a time of relative unity and principled government compared to the rest of the century, but that's about it.

What I'm thinking is that in a couple decades Trump will be almost universally regarded as a villain just like segregationists are now and the GOP will probably all but disown his legacy. Pence could actually make a good replacement for him in that case then.

I don't think all segregationists are viewed today as out and out villains.  Some, such as Georgia Senator (and Governor) Richard B. Russell Jr., are seen as simply having been on the wrong side of history on a very important issue.  But there was a reason why the Senate voted almost unanimously to name one of its office buildings after Russell after he died, and it wasn't because he had been a segregationist.  It's also worth noting that Chuck Schumer's proposal to rename the building after John McCain has gone nowhere.

To put it mildly, the naming of a government building or any other installation after Trump is an extraordinarily unlikely future prospect.  

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

He largely won't be remembered by anyone born after ~2015, and to the extent that he is, he'll be remembered as a traitor by almost everyone on the right and as someone who did the absolute bare minimum right thing once by those on the left. Maybe he'll have some fans among nostalgic centrists who look back on 2021 as a time of relative unity and principled government compared to the rest of the century, but that's about it.

What I'm thinking is that in a couple decades Trump will be almost universally regarded as a villain just like segregationists are now and the GOP will probably all but disown his legacy. Pence could actually make a good replacement for him in that case then.

I don't think all segregationists are viewed today as out and out villains.  Some, such as Georgia Senator (and Governor) Richard B. Russell Jr., are seen as simply having been on the wrong side of history on a very important issue.  But there was a reason why the Senate voted almost unanimously to name one of its office buildings after Russell after he died, and it wasn't because he had been a segregationist.  It's also worth noting that Chuck Schumer's proposal to rename the building after John McCain has gone nowhere.

To put it mildly, the naming of a government building or any other installation after Trump is an extraordinarily unlikely future prospect.  

He has Trump Towers where he met with our Enemy Russia and colluded and got dirt on Hillary campaign

The only thing named after him is that silly 2017 tax cut

[LBJer]

He largely won't be remembered by anyone born after ~2015, and to the extent that he is, he'll be remembered as a traitor by almost everyone on the right and as someone who did the absolute bare minimum right thing once by those on the left. Maybe he'll have some fans among nostalgic centrists who look back on 2021 as a time of relative unity and principled government compared to the rest of the century, but that's about it.

What I'm thinking is that in a couple decades Trump will be almost universally regarded as a villain just like segregationists are now and the GOP will probably all but disown his legacy. Pence could actually make a good replacement for him in that case then.

I don't think all segregationists are viewed today as out and out villains.  Some, such as Georgia Senator (and Governor) Richard B. Russell Jr., are seen as simply having been on the wrong side of history on a very important issue.  But there was a reason why the Senate voted almost unanimously to name one of its office buildings after Russell after he died, and it wasn't because he had been a segregationist.  It's also worth noting that Chuck Schumer's proposal to rename the building after John McCain has gone nowhere.

To put it mildly, the naming of a government building or any other installation after Trump is an extraordinarily unlikely future prospect.  

He has Trump Towers where he met with our Enemy Russia and colluded and got dirt on Hillary campaign

The only thing named after him is that silly 2017 tax cut

Precisely.  He owns Trump Towers, so he got to name it after himself!

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jorge_Sapelli

https://www.lr21.com.uy/politica/318220-homenaje-justo-y-tardio-a-sapelli

[Yeahsayyeah]

"Doing the bare minimum at the last moment possible while doing the opposite for four years before that moment" normally isn't a recipe for heroship.

[Hermit For Peace]

He did a good thing by following the law and kicking Trump's wishes to the curb that day, and that may be the only thing he will be remembered for. Otherwise, a very non-memorable person and VP.

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"Hero" is too strong of a word. It will be remembered positively but it will probably get washed out as a major detail of J6. Even now one of the major things that keeps this detail in our memory is his doomed presidential run.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

"Doing the bare minimum at the last moment possible while doing the opposite for four years before that moment" normally isn't a recipe for heroship.

In pop historiography? Yes it is. I think most people in this thread are confusing "will" and "should".

[TiltsAreUnderrated]

"Doing the bare minimum at the last moment possible while doing the opposite for four years before that moment" normally isn't a recipe for heroship.

In pop historiography? Yes it is. I think most people in this thread are confusing "will" and "should".

A horrifying but realistic prospect, in Pence’s case. How large might he loom in the Ruthkandan mythos 50 years from now?