Why is everyone treating FL like Alabama?

[The Economy is Getting Worse]

FL voted Trump +3.3. Sure, it has gotten redder since then, but by voter registration it is only about 4 points redder than it was by 2020. Thus, it probably would be about R +8 in 2024. It's a light-red state, similarly to how NH was light-blue.

Sure, DeSantis won by 20, but gubernational results don't mean much. Sununu and Baker won by 30+ in states that normally lean the other way. Reynolds won by nearly 20, and DeWine won by more than 20, but IA/OH don't seem to be treated like R +20 states in discourse.

Rubio won by 16, which is a stronger data point suggesting FL's red lean, but Rubio is a strong incumbent in a wave environment (the Generic Ballot was 6 points redder than 2020). Shaheen won by a similar amount in the light blue NH in 2020, which nobody seems to be treating like Massachusetts.

Yet it seems like a bunch of people (especially outside of talkelections; look at twitter/reddit) seems to already be treating the state like Alabama.

[Del Tachi]

People are keen to overreact.  Forfeiting one of the largest, most diverse, and fastest-growing states in the country is not a good move for Democrats.

[It’s so Joever]

People are keen to overreact.  Forfeiting one of the largest, most diverse, and fastest-growing states in the country is not a good move for Democrats.

Points at Republicans and California in the 1990s.

[The Economy is Getting Worse]

People are keen to overreact.  Forfeiting one of the largest, most diverse, and fastest-growing states in the country is not a good move for Democrats.

Points at Republicans and California in the 1990s.

California still had a Republican governor as recently as 2011.

[Sumner 1868]

Because it is.

As I've said before, Florida is going the path that the Bay Area took in the 1970s and Idaho took in the 1990s; a self-segregating political migration. Lockdown speeded the trend up, but it was inevitable as the Reagan generation slowly enters retirement. The dam has broken and Democrats can't stop it. We aren't in 2000 anymore. The recent hard right legislation in Florida is the GOP realizing they've locked up the state.

[Хahar 🤔]

I think a lot of this, at least on the part of liberals, is projection, as if Biden didn't win nearly 48% of votes in the state two and a half years ago. Basically this is because liberals (and certainly liberals on this site) dislike and resent Florida. I can think of a handful of reasons for this:

1. Liberals feel fatigued with Florida after two decades of hoping that it would inevitably become Democratic and seeing it stubbornly remain close in election after election. George Bush won Florida by 5.01 percentage points in 2004; if not for that, it would be the only state to have been within five points in each of the last six elections.
2. White liberals do not feel any sympathy, cultural or otherwise, with hispanophones in Florida, and seeing them swing toward Republicans leads liberals to dismiss them as irredeemable.
3. At least on this forum, posters dislike Florida because its appeal is lost on those who have no interest in going outside.

Something that has been asked a few times is why it is that Democrats don't level attacks against Republican parts of the country in the way that Republican rhetoric targets urban areas. Liberals used to do this (I remember the way people talked about Texas twenty years ago), but one of the main reasons they do not know is because they understand the Deep South as the black homeland, meaning that criticism of the people who live here would be morally unacceptable.

Florida, of course, has places that look and feel like lowland Georgia or Alabama or Mississippi, but they make up a small portion of the state and they aren't what you think of when you think of Florida. One can imagine Florida as being made up entirely of white trash and gusanos, groups that it's acceptable to hate. If you're a partisan, it's natural to claim that people you hate will certainly vote Republican, because it shows that you're in the right and Republicans are in the wrong.

[The Economy is Getting Worse]

Because it is.

As I've said before, Florida is going the path that the Bay Area took in the 1970s and Idaho took in the 1990s; a self-segregating political migration. Lockdown speeded the trend up, but it was inevitable as the Reagan generation slowly enters retirement. The dam has broken and Democrats can't stop it. We aren't in 2000 anymore. The recent hard right legislation in Florida is the GOP realizing they've locked up the state.

There is a significant "Free-State Project" migration to NH, yet that hasn't turned the state red.

Also, the issues are very different. For example, they are very pro-choice compared to other Southern states, even Georgia (and comparable to Virginia).

[WalterWhite]

I think a lot of this, at least on the part of liberals, is projection, as if Biden didn't win nearly 48% of votes in the state two and a half years ago. Basically this is because liberals (and certainly liberals on this site) dislike and resent Florida. I can think of a handful of reasons for this:

1. Liberals feel fatigued with Florida after two decades of hoping that it would inevitably become Democratic and seeing it stubbornly remain close in election after election. George Bush won Florida by 5.01 percentage points in 2004; if not for that, it would be the only state to have been within five points in each of the last six elections.
2. White liberals do not feel any sympathy, cultural or otherwise, with hispanophones in Florida, and seeing them swing toward Republicans leads liberals to dismiss them as irredeemable.
3. At least on this forum, posters dislike Florida because its appeal is lost on those who have no interest in going outside.

Something that has been asked a few times is why it is that Democrats don't level attacks against Republican parts of the country in the way that Republican rhetoric targets urban areas. Liberals used to do this (I remember the way people talked about Texas twenty years ago), but one of the main reasons they do not know is because they understand the Deep South as the black homeland, meaning that criticism of the people who live here would be morally unacceptable.

Florida, of course, has places that look and feel like lowland Georgia or Alabama or Mississippi, but they make up a small portion of the state and they aren't what you think of when you think of Florida. One can imagine Florida as being made up entirely of white trash and gusanos, groups that it's acceptable to hate. If you're a partisan, it's natural to claim that people you hate will certainly vote Republican, because it shows that you're in the right and Republicans are in the wrong.

Because conceding 30 winnable electoral votes is *definitely* good politics

I sincerely hope Democrats do not fall into a trap of prejudice against Cuban-Americans. Not only would it be immoral, not only would they be conceding the third largest state in the country, the Republicans could use that and paint the Democratic Party as xenophobic/exclusionist. In general, it is a bad idea to make fun of any demographic group unless they are universally hated (serial killers, for instance).

[Roronoa D. Law]

I think a lot of this, at least on the part of liberals, is projection, as if Biden didn't win nearly 48% of votes in the state two and a half years ago. Basically this is because liberals (and certainly liberals on this site) dislike and resent Florida. I can think of a handful of reasons for this:

1. Liberals feel fatigued with Florida after two decades of hoping that it would inevitably become Democratic and seeing it stubbornly remain close in election after election. George Bush won Florida by 5.01 percentage points in 2004; if not for that, it would be the only state to have been within five points in each of the last six elections.
2. White liberals do not feel any sympathy, cultural or otherwise, with hispanophones in Florida, and seeing them swing toward Republicans leads liberals to dismiss them as irredeemable.
3. At least on this forum, posters dislike Florida because its appeal is lost on those who have no interest in going outside.

Something that has been asked a few times is why it is that Democrats don't level attacks against Republican parts of the country in the way that Republican rhetoric targets urban areas. Liberals used to do this (I remember the way people talked about Texas twenty years ago), but one of the main reasons they do not know is because they understand the Deep South as the black homeland, meaning that criticism of the people who live here would be morally unacceptable.

Florida, of course, has places that look and feel like lowland Georgia or Alabama or Mississippi, but they make up a small portion of the state and they aren't what you think of when you think of Florida. One can imagine Florida as being made up entirely of white trash and gusanos, groups that it's acceptable to hate. If you're a partisan, it's natural to claim that people you hate will certainly vote Republican, because it shows that you're in the right and Republicans are in the wrong.

Because conceding 30 winnable electoral votes is *definitely* good politics

I sincerely hope Democrats do not fall into a trap of prejudice against Cuban-Americans. Not only would it be immoral, not only would they be conceding the third largest state in the country, the Republicans could use that and paint the Democratic Party as xenophobic/exclusionist. In general, it is a bad idea to make fun of any demographic group unless they are universally hated (serial killers, for instance).

The party that currently having internal conflicts about the benefits black americans recieved from slavery is going to what?

[Roronoa D. Law]

People are keen to overreact.  Forfeiting one of the largest, most diverse, and fastest-growing states in the country is not a good move for Democrats.

Points at Republicans and California in the 1990s.

California still had a Republican governor as recently as 2011.

And Kentucky has a Democratic gorvenor. The point is state level politics do not always equal to where the state is trending at the federal level. Plus you also ignored how much Schwarzenegger celebrity powered his political career. Its not a sure bet the recall or the 2006 election would have went the Republicans way without that.

[WalterWhite]

I think a lot of this, at least on the part of liberals, is projection, as if Biden didn't win nearly 48% of votes in the state two and a half years ago. Basically this is because liberals (and certainly liberals on this site) dislike and resent Florida. I can think of a handful of reasons for this:

1. Liberals feel fatigued with Florida after two decades of hoping that it would inevitably become Democratic and seeing it stubbornly remain close in election after election. George Bush won Florida by 5.01 percentage points in 2004; if not for that, it would be the only state to have been within five points in each of the last six elections.
2. White liberals do not feel any sympathy, cultural or otherwise, with hispanophones in Florida, and seeing them swing toward Republicans leads liberals to dismiss them as irredeemable.
3. At least on this forum, posters dislike Florida because its appeal is lost on those who have no interest in going outside.

Something that has been asked a few times is why it is that Democrats don't level attacks against Republican parts of the country in the way that Republican rhetoric targets urban areas. Liberals used to do this (I remember the way people talked about Texas twenty years ago), but one of the main reasons they do not know is because they understand the Deep South as the black homeland, meaning that criticism of the people who live here would be morally unacceptable.

Florida, of course, has places that look and feel like lowland Georgia or Alabama or Mississippi, but they make up a small portion of the state and they aren't what you think of when you think of Florida. One can imagine Florida as being made up entirely of white trash and gusanos, groups that it's acceptable to hate. If you're a partisan, it's natural to claim that people you hate will certainly vote Republican, because it shows that you're in the right and Republicans are in the wrong.

Because conceding 30 winnable electoral votes is *definitely* good politics

I sincerely hope Democrats do not fall into a trap of prejudice against Cuban-Americans. Not only would it be immoral, not only would they be conceding the third largest state in the country, the Republicans could use that and paint the Democratic Party as xenophobic/exclusionist. In general, it is a bad idea to make fun of any demographic group unless they are universally hated (serial killers, for instance).

The party that currently having internal conflicts about the benefits black americans recieved from slavery is going to what?

Being two-faced is nothing new in politics.

[Roronoa D. Law]

I think a lot of this, at least on the part of liberals, is projection, as if Biden didn't win nearly 48% of votes in the state two and a half years ago. Basically this is because liberals (and certainly liberals on this site) dislike and resent Florida. I can think of a handful of reasons for this:

1. Liberals feel fatigued with Florida after two decades of hoping that it would inevitably become Democratic and seeing it stubbornly remain close in election after election. George Bush won Florida by 5.01 percentage points in 2004; if not for that, it would be the only state to have been within five points in each of the last six elections.
2. White liberals do not feel any sympathy, cultural or otherwise, with hispanophones in Florida, and seeing them swing toward Republicans leads liberals to dismiss them as irredeemable.
3. At least on this forum, posters dislike Florida because its appeal is lost on those who have no interest in going outside.

Something that has been asked a few times is why it is that Democrats don't level attacks against Republican parts of the country in the way that Republican rhetoric targets urban areas. Liberals used to do this (I remember the way people talked about Texas twenty years ago), but one of the main reasons they do not know is because they understand the Deep South as the black homeland, meaning that criticism of the people who live here would be morally unacceptable.

Florida, of course, has places that look and feel like lowland Georgia or Alabama or Mississippi, but they make up a small portion of the state and they aren't what you think of when you think of Florida. One can imagine Florida as being made up entirely of white trash and gusanos, groups that it's acceptable to hate. If you're a partisan, it's natural to claim that people you hate will certainly vote Republican, because it shows that you're in the right and Republicans are in the wrong.

Because conceding 30 winnable electoral votes is *definitely* good politics

I sincerely hope Democrats do not fall into a trap of prejudice against Cuban-Americans. Not only would it be immoral, not only would they be conceding the third largest state in the country, the Republicans could use that and paint the Democratic Party as xenophobic/exclusionist. In general, it is a bad idea to make fun of any demographic group unless they are universally hated (serial killers, for instance).

The party that currently having internal conflicts about the benefits black americans recieved from slavery is going to what?

Being two-faced is nothing new in politics.

But I dont see this being a problem. You do not have people on the left with any type of platform saying incendiary comments about the Cuban community. Meanwhile we have many people on the right from pundits to elected officials saying promoting stereotypes and racial tropes of Blacks, Mexicans, Jews, and Gay people.

[Samof94]

Because it is.

As I've said before, Florida is going the path that the Bay Area took in the 1970s and Idaho took in the 1990s; a self-segregating political migration. Lockdown speeded the trend up, but it was inevitable as the Reagan generation slowly enters retirement. The dam has broken and Democrats can't stop it. We aren't in 2000 anymore. The recent hard right legislation in Florida is the GOP realizing they've locked up the state.

Ron DeSantis sold it as "Freedom" during the pandemic.