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« on: June 26, 2023, 05:08:18 PM »

Democrats are viewed as the "dovish" party, and Republicans are viewed as the "hawkish" party. While recent presidents from both political parties have been fairly "hawkish" in their actual foreign policy, Democrats consistently position themselves as dovish, and Republicans consistently position themselves as hawkish.

Will this change in the future? Will the Democrats become the party of hawks, and will Republicans become the party of doves?
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« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2023, 09:15:35 PM »

Democrats are viewed as the "dovish" party, and Republicans are viewed as the "hawkish" party. While recent presidents from both political parties have been fairly "hawkish" in their actual foreign policy, Democrats consistently position themselves as dovish, and Republicans consistently position themselves as hawkish.

Will this change in the future? Will the Democrats become the party of hawks, and will Republicans become the party of doves?
Trump pretended to be a dove in 2016 only.
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« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2023, 04:15:18 AM »

Democrats are viewed as the "dovish" party, and Republicans are viewed as the "hawkish" party. …

The Democrats, along with the Republicans, are war criminals.
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« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2023, 08:14:00 AM »

Democrats are viewed as the "hawkish" party, and Republicans are viewed as the "dovish" party. While recent presidents from both political parties have been fairly "hawkish" in their actual foreign policy, Democrats consistently position themselves as hawkish, and Republicans consistently position themselves as dovish.

Will this change in the future? Will the Democrats become the party of doves, and will Republicans become the party of hawks?
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« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2023, 10:23:59 AM »

Democrats are viewed as the "dovish" party, and Republicans are viewed as the "hawkish" party. While recent presidents from both political parties have been fairly "hawkish" in their actual foreign policy, Democrats consistently position themselves as dovish, and Republicans consistently position themselves as hawkish.

Will this change in the future? Will the Democrats become the party of hawks, and will Republicans become the party of doves?

Trump/Biden have run some of the most dovish administrations this side of Carter; Bush/Clinton/Bush/Obama were pretty hawkish, particularly Bush II, but they've been out of office for a while now. It is also not true that Democrats consistently position themselves as dovish, or that Republicans consistently position themselves as hawkish.
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« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2023, 10:44:58 AM »

No. When I am installed President, I will return to the Bush/Cheney foreign policy; featuring endless foreign wars, and a nuclear bomb on Moscow, to fulfill the establishment’s dream of seeing flesh burn in nuclear fire one more time before they die.
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« Reply #6 on: July 04, 2023, 08:27:53 PM »

Democrats are viewed as the "dovish" party, and Republicans are viewed as the "hawkish" party. While recent presidents from both political parties have been fairly "hawkish" in their actual foreign policy, Democrats consistently position themselves as dovish, and Republicans consistently position themselves as hawkish.

Will this change in the future? Will the Democrats become the party of hawks, and will Republicans become the party of doves?

Trump/Biden have run some of the most dovish administrations this side of Carter; Bush/Clinton/Bush/Obama were pretty hawkish, particularly Bush II, but they've been out of office for a while now. It is also not true that Democrats consistently position themselves as dovish, or that Republicans consistently position themselves as hawkish.

So the notion that Republicans are more hawkish than Democrats is a myth? It is generally Republicans who advocate for a stronger military presence abroad, and it is generally Democrats who advocate for a more diplomatic foreign policy.
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« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2023, 07:48:04 AM »

The current president is both a democrat and the least hawkish president of the post WWII era. If anything, the current trajectory is that the myth of Democrats being the dovish party is only just starting to become true
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« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2023, 10:02:40 AM »

The current president is both a democrat and the least hawkish president of the post WWII era. If anything, the current trajectory is that the myth of Democrats being the dovish party is only just starting to become true
OK, logically speaking, "post WWII" era means the Cold War, everyone was a hawk back then. The only real calm period is right after 1991 and before 9/11. Then we went back to blowing up third world countries. It could be argued that we're entering a new Cold War so we need to hawkish again.
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« Reply #9 on: July 11, 2023, 03:46:40 PM »

The current president is both a democrat and the least hawkish president of the post WWII era. If anything, the current trajectory is that the myth of Democrats being the dovish party is only just starting to become true
OK, logically speaking, "post WWII" era means the Cold War, everyone was a hawk back then. The only real calm period is right after 1991 and before 9/11. Then we went back to blowing up third world countries. It could be argued that we're entering a new Cold War so we need to hawkish again.
Ok? What's that got to do with my post?
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« Reply #10 on: July 11, 2023, 04:13:47 PM »

The parties are slowly switching on foreign policy now. You have the Democrats who are mostly united behind provided aide to Ukraine to fight the war and you have a good number of Republicans wanting to cut off aide and let Putin take all of Ukraine. Trump runs/ran on withdrawing from NATO and closing US military bases abroad.

Neither side is at the level of the Bush days, but the GOP seems more dovish now.
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« Reply #11 on: July 11, 2023, 04:44:01 PM »

I really don’t think Democrats are perceived as the dovish party anymore. Both parties are perceived as fairly hawkish right now, just with Republicans it’s moreso towards China and Democrats towards Russia. This could change though depending on how the global situation evolves over the next decade. Really both parties have had multiple turns being the more hawkish and more dovish party historically.
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« Reply #12 on: July 12, 2023, 12:44:00 PM »

The current president is both a democrat and the least hawkish president of the post WWII era. If anything, the current trajectory is that the myth of Democrats being the dovish party is only just starting to become true
OK, logically speaking, "post WWII" era means the Cold War, everyone was a hawk back then. The only real calm period is right after 1991 and before 9/11. Then we went back to blowing up third world countries. It could be argued that we're entering a new Cold War so we need to hawkish again.
Ok? What's that got to do with my post?
Well, I am saying that you're not wrong. BUT neither party is truly dovish.
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« Reply #13 on: July 26, 2023, 12:00:18 AM »

The parties are slowly switching on foreign policy now. You have the Democrats who are mostly united behind provided aide to Ukraine to fight the war and you have a good number of Republicans wanting to cut off aide and let Putin take all of Ukraine. Trump runs/ran on withdrawing from NATO and closing US military bases abroad.

Neither side is at the level of the Bush days, but the GOP seems more dovish now.

I honestly doubt the GOP has actually become more dovish than the Democrats. The GOP supports more defense spending than the Democrats.
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