Deepfake of Chinese Foreign Minister: "War [with the United States] is inevitable."

[Beet]

https://twitter.com/cskun1989/status/1664646472598708229?s=20

Audio recorded at an unknown date but around "a year" after the meeting between Secretary of State Jake Sullivan and Yang Jiechi in Alaska. I'm surprised this isn't bigger news. Some people are suggesting it might be a deepfake, but it sounds like him and there's no evidence that it's fake.

If true this is deeply disturbing, and demands a response from the Biden administration. We must make it clear that the moment American forces in the Pacific are attacked, not only the U.S., but all of our allies, including all of NATO, will bring hell on earth to China.

EDIT: It appears this is a deepfake. I'm deeply relieved, and also sorry I posted this. At the time, I thought it was too important to pass up had it been real, but clearly I need to be more skeptical.

https://twitter.com/VirtuHanna/status/1665538403926941697

[PSOL]

Well, all the saber rattling since 2014 by the US was leading up to this moment. Not China’s fault some people want to recreate some mystical mash of Desert Storm and WWII.

[Red Velvet]

War is inevitable but it isn’t China who is going to militarily attack the USA or the West lol

It will be the opposite. And whether it will be a military conflict or a more strategic type of war is unclear, more likely the latter. There have been clear signs that the Americans want this to happen since mid-2010s with the attempts to reverse the globalist policy that benefited 3rd world countries (including China) into a more nationalist understanding. Chinese growth is perceived as a threat to their global dominance but that’s not something they can control anymore.

Everything the US disapproves right now happens because of China OR because it’s enabled by them, in their perception. Russia having a safeguard during war. South Countries turning to China over the US and feeling safe to be more assertive because they have this option balance as leverage. Threats against the US currency dominance. etc etc.

China already knows this since the 2nd term of the Obama government, which is where you saw this shift starting even before Trump. As the entire world knows.

[It’s so Joever]

Tankies and their impacts have been devastating to the human race.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Concerning, but this is not by itself evidence China will seek out war with America.

[PSOL]

Tankies and their impacts have been devastating to the human race.

[Oleg 🇰🇿🤝🇺🇦]

Mao spoke about the inevitability of a global nuclear war, Deng Xiaoping spoke, and it is not surprising that this tradition continues. Only then they still hoped that this war would be between the USA and the USSR, and not the USA and the PRC. Well, now the main Chinese enemy does not exist, and thanks to American help, the PRC quickly recovered after Mao tried to destroy China, now the PRC does not need the USA either as an ally or as a deceived assistant.

But as long as the PRC is not confident in its military strength, and since the 19th century and until now, China's military pride has only been stung, even by Japan and even Vietnam, the PRC will not dare to go to direct war against the USA. It will be in the style of the Cold War, and this Cold War is already going on, only instead of North Korea, Russia, and instead of South Korea, Ukraine.

[CumbrianLefty]

Tankies and their impacts have been devastating to the human race.

Aren't they mostly a powerless joke tbf.

[Comrade Funk]

War is inevitable but it isn’t China who is going to militarily attack the USA or the West lol

It will be the opposite. And whether it will be a military conflict or a more strategic type of war is unclear, more likely the latter. There have been clear signs that the Americans want this to happen since mid-2010s with the attempts to reverse the globalist policy that benefited 3rd world countries (including China) into a more nationalist understanding. Chinese growth is perceived as a threat to their global dominance but that’s not something they can control anymore.

Everything the US disapproves right now happens because of China OR because it’s enabled by them, in their perception. Russia having a safeguard during war. South Countries turning to China over the US and feeling safe to be more assertive because they have this option balance as leverage. Threats against the US currency dominance. etc etc.

China already knows this since the 2nd term of the Obama government, which is where you saw this shift starting even before Trump. As the entire world knows.

Your schtick is embarrassing. You'll cheer for any random dictatorship if they're apart of your imaginary "global south".

Third Worldism has the be the dumbest ideology. Hey screw the people suffering in China, Iran, etc because the leaders of those countries hate big, bad USA!

[oldtimer]

If he truly thought that war was inevitable then China would have switched to a war economy, or at least outproduce the American Defence Companies.

But it has not.

It could be that the President of China might be as stupid as the President of Russia and go to war without preparing for one.

For a succesfull war you need to outproduce your enemy by at least 3-1 on weapons.
China isn't doing that, but America is.

[Red Velvet]

War is inevitable but it isn’t China who is going to militarily attack the USA or the West lol

It will be the opposite. And whether it will be a military conflict or a more strategic type of war is unclear, more likely the latter. There have been clear signs that the Americans want this to happen since mid-2010s with the attempts to reverse the globalist policy that benefited 3rd world countries (including China) into a more nationalist understanding. Chinese growth is perceived as a threat to their global dominance but that’s not something they can control anymore.

Everything the US disapproves right now happens because of China OR because it’s enabled by them, in their perception. Russia having a safeguard during war. South Countries turning to China over the US and feeling safe to be more assertive because they have this option balance as leverage. Threats against the US currency dominance. etc etc.

China already knows this since the 2nd term of the Obama government, which is where you saw this shift starting even before Trump. As the entire world knows.

Your schtick is embarrassing. You'll cheer for any random dictatorship if they're apart of your imaginary "global south".

Third Worldism has the be the dumbest ideology. Hey screw the people suffering in China, Iran, etc because the leaders of those countries hate big, bad USA!

If that were true, that’s only my problem so not sure about your concern. But several inconsistencies here in just one small post of yours:

A) Third Worldism is a geopolitically neutral ideology by its own definition, not Anti-USA. Google it up.

You’re just showing your own understanding (that happens to coincide with the one your country and the West has) that anything that isn’t with us, necessarily is against us.

That kind of bipolar or unipolar framing is exactly what I reject. Why can’t the US exist in peace and still have lots of power under a multipolar logic? It can, it just doesn’t want others to have that because it takes out the relations of control.

You see, if anything it’s you that is more “Anti-South” than the South is “Anti-USA” because of this. Anything that isn’t agreeing with full unipolar domination under your framing will necessarily sound “Anti-USA” and threatening to you.

And that’s exactly what is making people wake up because many believed (and still do to some extent) that the path for growth and opportunity was in the West. Attempts to repress growth of the third world IS necessarily what pushes the South towards China.

B) Global South isn’t imaginary, there are many academic and even average news media defining what a “Global South” is. You can look it up.

Basically, North/South is a way to categorize through geography the economical differences and inequalities of the world, just like West/East have always been used to refer to cultural and social divisions of the world.

The “South” is just as imaginary as a “West”. These are all abstractions we make to explain socioeconomic geopolitical phenomenons to make sense of behaviors, strategies and decision-making.

Of course, “West” has been continuously adapted to encapsule an economical understanding: Not just the socially liberal countries but “the socially liberal + Rich countries”. While everything becomes not the East (ex: LatAm isn’t culturally eastern) but “The Rest” with the exact purpose of alienating these places so that they don’t share a common identity.

That’s why a North/South understanding is much more important than a West/East one for the Emergent countries, otherwise they can have no identity that is able to claim and defense their ECONOMIC interests. And if they can’t do that, they will never be able to grow.

Which is where “Global South” is a term that is extremely necessary for third world places. It really irritates people from the North exactly because it claims an identity that is independent from them.

I mean, why a boss who control a factory would like their workers to unionize and demand better salaries when it’s better for them for them to be segregated through a divide and conquer logic? Power is never given away by the ones who hold it by the goodness in their hearts, it’s something that has to be claimed.

C) People in the south aren’t suffering because of leaders who hate USA and I sincerely question your dark red avatar now after you saying this.

The world is shaped mainly by the logic of slavery, from many many years ago. You can see it in every level domestically AND also internationally in the relationship between people inside national borders and outside. You must agree with me on this, otherwise you’re just a denialist out of convenience, maybe because you think the structures of this system benefit you more on the balance.

The logic of white supremacy, that white people are inherently superior to people who aren’t white is just a taboo to be voiced nowadays but no one wants to recognize that the social structures we stand on were determined a long ago by this logic of human exploitation. Nothing was done to put down these structures to create something new.

D) Regarding this US-China war rumors more specifically, do you really think China would ever attack the US? Lmao if you do.

Just by a realistic POV, putting ideological matters aside, do you think that would be a pragmatic decision by a government that has shown itself to be extremely pragmatic so far when trying to achieve its goals, objectives which have been pretty clear so far regarding what they are.

What I have noticed though, even from other South countries relation with the USA, is that the Americans have adopted a way more protectionist/nationalist understanding that deeply contrasts with the previous “Washington Consensus” that believed in global integration and economic liberalism as a solution to bring countries closer to them and their worldview.

China unquestionable growth to a power that rivals their own power, as an authoritarian nation, is what triggered this western change of approach to geopolitics since the 2nd term of the Obama government. Trump only made it evident and clear as water to everyone but these shifts were noticeable much before he came to power.

And that is exactly what is pushing more countries AWAY from you. If the North cannot present a dream or an opportunity of development and growth to the people in the South, then that makes North useless. And no one will care to listen to you. It’s simple as that.

It’s exactly this fear from the South, of losing full control, of needing to shape places with very different cultures into your image, that is bringing you down lately. Not a conspiration of multiple places suddenly against you lol.

The US could have major importance in multipolar and collaborative world. But you’re giving away this role to China’s lap for free based ONLY on fear of change. A change that has already happened and there’s no going back. You can’t turn clock back to XX century.

[HillGoose]

War is inevitable but it isn’t China who is going to militarily attack the USA or the West lol

It will be the opposite. And whether it will be a military conflict or a more strategic type of war is unclear, more likely the latter. There have been clear signs that the Americans want this to happen since mid-2010s with the attempts to reverse the globalist policy that benefited 3rd world countries (including China) into a more nationalist understanding. Chinese growth is perceived as a threat to their global dominance but that’s not something they can control anymore.

Everything the US disapproves right now happens because of China OR because it’s enabled by them, in their perception. Russia having a safeguard during war. South Countries turning to China over the US and feeling safe to be more assertive because they have this option balance as leverage. Threats against the US currency dominance. etc etc.

China already knows this since the 2nd term of the Obama government, which is where you saw this shift starting even before Trump. As the entire world knows.

Your schtick is embarrassing. You'll cheer for any random dictatorship if they're apart of your imaginary "global south".

Third Worldism has the be the dumbest ideology. Hey screw the people suffering in China, Iran, etc because the leaders of those countries hate big, bad USA!

If that were true, that’s only my problem so not sure about your concern. But several inconsistencies here in just one small post of yours:

A) Third Worldism is a geopolitically neutral ideology by its own definition, not Anti-USA. Google it up.

You’re just showing your own understanding (that happens to coincide with the one your country and the West has) that anything that isn’t with us, necessarily is against us.

That kind of bipolar or unipolar framing is exactly what I reject. Why can’t the US exist in peace and still have lots of power under a multipolar logic? It can, it just doesn’t want others to have that because it takes out the relations of control.

You see, if anything it’s you that is more “Anti-South” than the South is “Anti-USA” because of this. Anything that isn’t agreeing with full unipolar domination under your framing will necessarily sound “Anti-USA” and threatening to you.

And that’s exactly what is making people wake up because many believed (and still do to some extent) that the path for growth and opportunity was in the West. Attempts to repress growth of the third world IS necessarily what pushes the South towards China.

B) Global South isn’t imaginary, there are many academic and even average news media defining what a “Global South” is. You can look it up.

Basically, North/South is a way to categorize through geography the economical differences and inequalities of the world, just like West/East have always been used to refer to cultural and social divisions of the world.

The “South” is just as imaginary as a “West”. These are all abstractions we make to explain socioeconomic geopolitical phenomenons to make sense of behaviors, strategies and decision-making.

Of course, “West” has been continuously adapted to encapsule an economical understanding: Not just the socially liberal countries but “the socially liberal + Rich countries”. While everything becomes not the East (ex: LatAm isn’t culturally eastern) but “The Rest” with the exact purpose of alienating these places so that they don’t share a common identity.

That’s why a North/South understanding is much more important than a West/East one for the Emergent countries, otherwise they can have no identity that is able to claim and defense their ECONOMIC interests. And if they can’t do that, they will never be able to grow.

Which is where “Global South” is a term that is extremely necessary for third world places. It really irritates people from the North exactly because it claims an identity that is independent from them.

I mean, why a boss who control a factory would like their workers to unionize and demand better salaries when it’s better for them for them to be segregated through a divide and conquer logic? Power is never given away by the ones who hold it by the goodness in their hearts, it’s something that has to be claimed.

C) People in the south aren’t suffering because of leaders who hate USA and I sincerely question your dark red avatar now after you saying this.

The world is shaped mainly by the logic of slavery, from many many years ago. You can see it in every level domestically AND also internationally in the relationship between people inside national borders and outside. You must agree with me on this, otherwise you’re just a denialist out of convenience, maybe because you think the structures of this system benefit you more on the balance.

The logic of white supremacy, that white people are inherently superior to people who aren’t white is just a taboo to be voiced nowadays but no one wants to recognize that the social structures we stand on were determined a long ago by this logic of human exploitation. Nothing was done to put down these structures to create something new.

D) Regarding this US-China war rumors more specifically, do you really think China would ever attack the US? Lmao if you do.

Just by a realistic POV, putting ideological matters aside, do you think that would be a pragmatic decision by a government that has shown itself to be extremely pragmatic so far when trying to achieve its goals, objectives which have been pretty clear so far regarding what they are.

What I have noticed though, even from other South countries relation with the USA, is that the Americans have adopted a way more protectionist/nationalist understanding that deeply contrasts with the previous “Washington Consensus” that believed in global integration and economic liberalism as a solution to bring countries closer to them and their worldview.

China unquestionable growth to a power that rivals their own power, as an authoritarian nation, is what triggered this western change of approach to geopolitics since the 2nd term of the Obama government. Trump only made it evident and clear as water to everyone but these shifts were noticeable much before he came to power.

And that is exactly what is pushing more countries AWAY from you. If the North cannot present a dream or an opportunity of development and growth to the people in the South, then that makes North useless. And no one will care to listen to you. It’s simple as that.

It’s exactly this fear from the South, of losing full control, of needing to shape places with very different cultures into your image, that is bringing you down lately. Not a conspiration of multiple places suddenly against you lol.

The US could have major importance in multipolar and collaborative world. But you’re giving away this role to China’s lap for free based ONLY on fear of change. A change that has already happened and there’s no going back. You can’t turn clock back to XX century.

leftist wall of text lmao

[PSOL]

The Chinese have higher or compatible living standards to the US, you are expected to live longer as a citizen of the PRC than the USA. Not only are you more healthy but there’s less crime to deal with. So much for suffering.

Iran outside of its infant mortality rate and being shot by the basij if you choose to go to certain protest spots is also not that far off states like Tennessee or the northern part or Texas.

[dead0man]

The Chinese have higher or compatible living standards to the US, you are expected to live longer as a citizen of the PRC than the USA. Not only are you more healthy but there’s less crime to deal with. So much for suffering.

Iran outside of its infant mortality rate and being shot by the basij if you choose to go to certain protest spots is also not that far off states like Tennessee or the northern part or Texas.

indeed, which explains why Iran and PRC are the top two favored destinations for poor people and refugees the world over.  Everybody would rather live in Tehran over Chattanooga.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

Today is the 34th Anniversary of the Tiananmen Square Massacre.

The Tiananmen Square protests, known in Chinese as the June Fourth Incident were student-led demonstrations held in Tiananmen Square, Beijing, during 1989. In what is known as the Tiananmen Square Massacre, or in Chinese the June Fourth Clearing or June Fourth Massacre, Chinese government troops violently suppressed the demonstrators and those trying to block the military's advance into Tiananmen Square. The protests started on 15 April and were forcibly suppressed on 4 June when the government sent the People's Liberation Army to occupy parts of central Beijing. Estimates of the death toll vary from several hundred to several thousand, with thousands more wounded.

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

Well, all the saber rattling since 2014 by the US was leading up to this moment. Not China’s fault some people want to recreate some mystical mash of Desert Storm and WWII.

LOL, just looked at the one recommend on this post.

[dead0man]

Today is the 34th Anniversary of the Tiananmen Square Massacre.

The Tiananmen Square protests, known in Chinese as the June Fourth Incident were student-led demonstrations held in Tiananmen Square, Beijing, during 1989. In what is known as the Tiananmen Square Massacre, or in Chinese the June Fourth Clearing or June Fourth Massacre, Chinese government troops violently suppressed the demonstrators and those trying to block the military's advance into Tiananmen Square. The protests started on 15 April and were forcibly suppressed on 4 June when the government sent the People's Liberation Army to occupy parts of central Beijing. Estimates of the death toll vary from several hundred to several thousand, with thousands more wounded.

I don't think compucomp is going to recommend this post.

[compucomp]

I agree with this statement. There will be a war and the entire responsibility will be on the American side. Why is war between USA and China inevitable? Because of people like you. Yes, this forum. The ceaseless China-hating and warmongering from political activists like you has been heard by the American political establishment and now they pursue increasingly aggressive anti-China policies consistent with this worldview. The worldview that if there is no regime change in China then China should be wiped off the face of the earth. There is a path for China's peaceful development and for China and USA to prosper together but it has been derailed by people like you who have a burning hatred for China and Chinese people.

[PSOL]

Well, all the saber rattling since 2014 by the US was leading up to this moment. Not China’s fault some people want to recreate some mystical mash of Desert Storm and WWII.

LOL, just looked at the one recommend on this post.

Most of the opinions of most Atlasians are worthless. Why should I care about anything but the truth instead of what whiny insecure people projecting their messiah complex on the nation think

[dead0man]

I agree with this statement. There will be a war and the entire responsibility will be on the American side. Why is war between USA and China inevitable? Because of people like you. Yes, this forum. The ceaseless China-hating and warmongering from political activists like you has been heard by the American political establishment and now they pursue increasingly aggressive anti-China policies consistent with this worldview. The worldview that if there is no regime change in China then China should be wiped off the face of the earth. There is a path for China's peaceful development and for China and USA to prosper together but it has been derailed by people like you who have a burning hatred for China and Chinese people.

so, how do you think this war is going to start?

[Torie]

There should be the equivalent of a US 2nd Amendment that applies world wide, such that all those within sight of  a leader who orders the button be pushed, can shoot them dead before it is pushed. After I become fluent in Russian with no accent, and I forge my curriculum vitae, I think I am pasty white enough to pass for a Russian after I change my Anglo-Saxon surname to something more Slavic, to apply to be a Putin body guard, and  blow his brains out when appropriate.

We all have our little fantasies.    

[Oleg 🇰🇿🤝🇺🇦]

There should be the equivalent of a US 2nd Amendment that applies world wide, such that all those within sight of  a leader who orders the button be pushed, can shoot them dead before it is pushed. After I become fluent in Russian with no accent, and I forge my curriculum vitae, I think I am pasty white enough to pass for a Russian after I change my Anglo-Saxon surname to something more Slavic, to apply to be a Putin body guard, and  blow his brains out when appropriate.

We all have our little fantasies.    

You can always pass yourself off as a Tatar, even if you are a Maasai. Initially, the Tatars were ordinary Turks, but over the centuries of assimilation, the Tatars themselves do not understand how exactly a Tatar should look like.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Tankies and their impacts have been devastating to the human race.

Aren't they mostly a powerless joke tbf.

They are, but that doesn't make them not: 1-absolutely disgusting and reprehensible excuses for humans and 2-incredibly annoying.

[HillGoose]

The Chinese have higher or compatible living standards to the US, you are expected to live longer as a citizen of the PRC than the USA. Not only are you more healthy but there’s less crime to deal with. So much for suffering.

Iran outside of its infant mortality rate and being shot by the basij if you choose to go to certain protest spots is also not that far off states like Tennessee or the northern part or Texas.

lmao imagine wanting to live longer

[Bismarck]

Wow what a thread. Thought I’d clicked on a global times link there for a second.