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« on: May 28, 2023, 10:58:20 PM »

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/4024613-feinstein-expressed-confusion-over-kamala-harris-presiding-over-senate-report/

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Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) reportedly expressed confusion last year when Vice President Kamala Harris was presiding over the Senate to cast a tie-breaking vote, according to a new report detailing the difficulties the ailing lawmaker faces as she continues her work in the Senate.

The new report from The New York Times outlines the many functions Feinstein’s staff play and the struggles the longtime senator faces as she returns to work after bouts of shingles and encephalitis earlier this year.

The latest example, however, reportedly took place last year and illustrates the difficulty Feinstein has had recalling, at times, the basics of how the Senate operates. According to the new report, Feinstein expressed confusion to her colleagues, when she saw Harris presiding over the chamber, in one of many tiebreaking votes the vice president has had to cast.


“What is she doing here?” Feinstein asked, according to the report. The report cites “a person who witnessed the scene.”

At this point, there should be no question that Feinstein's continued presence in the Senate is basically elder abuse. (The same could be argued about Chuck Grassley, but he seems a bit sharper mentally at this point).
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« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2023, 12:14:33 AM »

There should be tests that one has to pass in order to be an elected official. I mean, if a janitor or clerk has to pass a civil service exam, the people who run our country should have to as well
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« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2023, 12:53:27 AM »

There should be tests that one has to pass in order to be an elected official. I mean, if a janitor or clerk has to pass a civil service exam, the people who run our country should have to as well

I don't always agree with you, but I do on this.
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« Reply #3 on: May 29, 2023, 12:58:44 AM »

There should be tests that one has to pass in order to be an elected official. I mean, if a janitor or clerk has to pass a civil service exam, the people who run our country should have to as well

Feinstein probably would have easily passed that 50 years ago.
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« Reply #4 on: May 29, 2023, 01:58:12 AM »

There should be tests that one has to pass in order to be an elected official. I mean, if a janitor or clerk has to pass a civil service exam, the people who run our country should have to as well

Feinstein probably would have easily passed that 50 years ago.

Last time I checked, Senators aren't elected once to a life term, they are up for election every six years. I see no problem with having a test, given you have to retake tests every few years to renew your drivers license after a certain age
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« Reply #5 on: May 29, 2023, 04:26:13 AM »

There should be tests that one has to pass in order to be an elected official. I mean, if a janitor or clerk has to pass a civil service exam, the people who run our country should have to as well
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« Reply #6 on: May 29, 2023, 09:49:26 AM »

The fact that there's no push to remove her from her position means that all 99 of her colleagues think torturing someone with Alzheimer's is an acceptable cost of doing business. Never forget that. There is no member of the Senate with any moral boundaries whatsoever
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« Reply #7 on: May 29, 2023, 10:49:20 AM »

The fact that there's no push to remove her from her position means that all 99 of her colleagues think torturing someone with Alzheimer's is an acceptable cost of doing business. Never forget that. There is no member of the Senate with any moral boundaries whatsoever

Or it’s just not their problem that someone who signed up for the job can’t handle the pressure? She voted the exact same way any other Senator from CA would anyways, lol.
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« Reply #8 on: May 29, 2023, 10:51:58 AM »

She really needs to step down. It's embarrassing for our state at this point. This is what happens when politicians don't know when it's time to leave.
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« Reply #9 on: May 29, 2023, 10:52:15 AM »

It's hard to call it elder abuse when the only way she can leave the Senate is to resign voluntarily. No one can force her to resign or resign on her behalf even if she is ailing. Expulsion is the only avenue to remove her and that's only been used for treason.
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« Reply #10 on: May 29, 2023, 10:52:57 AM »

There should be tests that one has to pass in order to be an elected official. I mean, if a janitor or clerk has to pass a civil service exam, the people who run our country should have to as well

We do.  They’re known as elections.
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« Reply #11 on: May 29, 2023, 10:57:47 AM »

Unfortunately, Fossilstein is stubborn as f**k. She won't resign. Sucks for California (and the country).
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« Reply #12 on: May 29, 2023, 11:08:24 AM »

At this point I’m starting to question if Feinstein even has the mental capacity to resign. Like she might genuinely not know anymore
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« Reply #13 on: May 29, 2023, 11:49:48 AM »

The fact that there's no push to remove her from her position means that all 99 of her colleagues think torturing someone with Alzheimer's is an acceptable cost of doing business. Never forget that. There is no member of the Senate with any moral boundaries whatsoever

Or it’s just not their problem that someone who signed up for the job can’t handle the pressure? She voted the exact same way any other Senator from CA would anyways, lol.
Endorsing elder abuse is low even for you
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« Reply #14 on: May 29, 2023, 12:02:13 PM »

The fact that there's no push to remove her from her position means that all 99 of her colleagues think torturing someone with Alzheimer's is an acceptable cost of doing business. Never forget that. There is no member of the Senate with any moral boundaries whatsoever

Or it’s just not their problem that someone who signed up for the job can’t handle the pressure? She voted the exact same way any other Senator from CA would anyways, lol.
Endorsing elder abuse is low even for you

Elder abuse would imply that she is being forced against her will to remain in the Senate. Legally there is no way for her to leave the Senate other than resigning of her own accord. I'm sure than plenty of other Senators agree she would leave, but they don't have the authority to force her out. Elder abuse is a serious issue and should be defined properly.
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« Reply #15 on: May 29, 2023, 12:23:55 PM »

The fact that there's no push to remove her from her position means that all 99 of her colleagues think torturing someone with Alzheimer's is an acceptable cost of doing business. Never forget that. There is no member of the Senate with any moral boundaries whatsoever

Or it’s just not their problem that someone who signed up for the job can’t handle the pressure? She voted the exact same way any other Senator from CA would anyways, lol.
Endorsing elder abuse is low even for you

Elder abuse would imply that she is being forced against her will to remain in the Senate. Legally there is no way for her to leave the Senate other than resigning of her own accord. I'm sure than plenty of other Senators agree she would leave, but they don't have the authority to force her out. Elder abuse is a serious issue and should be defined properly.
The Senate has the authority to expel a member
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« Reply #16 on: May 29, 2023, 12:29:18 PM »

The fact that there's no push to remove her from her position means that all 99 of her colleagues think torturing someone with Alzheimer's is an acceptable cost of doing business. Never forget that. There is no member of the Senate with any moral boundaries whatsoever

Or it’s just not their problem that someone who signed up for the job can’t handle the pressure? She voted the exact same way any other Senator from CA would anyways, lol.
Endorsing elder abuse is low even for you

Elder abuse would imply that she is being forced against her will to remain in the Senate. Legally there is no way for her to leave the Senate other than resigning of her own accord. I'm sure than plenty of other Senators agree she would leave, but they don't have the authority to force her out. Elder abuse is a serious issue and should be defined properly.
The Senate has the authority to expel a member

That has only been done over treason and support for the confederacy (which amounted to the same). The optics of expelling an ailing member of the Senate for illness would be dreadful and most of the Senate probably does not want that.
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« Reply #17 on: May 29, 2023, 12:31:59 PM »

The fact that there's no push to remove her from her position means that all 99 of her colleagues think torturing someone with Alzheimer's is an acceptable cost of doing business. Never forget that. There is no member of the Senate with any moral boundaries whatsoever

Or it’s just not their problem that someone who signed up for the job can’t handle the pressure? She voted the exact same way any other Senator from CA would anyways, lol.
Endorsing elder abuse is low even for you

Elder abuse would imply that she is being forced against her will to remain in the Senate. Legally there is no way for her to leave the Senate other than resigning of her own accord. I'm sure than plenty of other Senators agree she would leave, but they don't have the authority to force her out. Elder abuse is a serious issue and should be defined properly.
The Senate has the authority to expel a member

That has only been done over treason and support for the confederacy (which amounted to the same). The optics of expelling an ailing member of the Senate for illness would be dreadful and most of the Senate probably does not want that.
You think alleging that their motives here are optics makes them more sympathetic?
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« Reply #18 on: May 29, 2023, 12:38:43 PM »

There should be tests that one has to pass in order to be an elected official. I mean, if a janitor or clerk has to pass a civil service exam, the people who run our country should have to as well

We do.  They’re known as elections.
People often just vote for a name the recognize or a name that is associated with their party. Most voters either don't know the extent of Feinstein's mental decline or they straight up don't care because she is a member of their party. People often ignore inconvenient truths.
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« Reply #19 on: May 29, 2023, 12:53:03 PM »

The fact that there's no push to remove her from her position means that all 99 of her colleagues think torturing someone with Alzheimer's is an acceptable cost of doing business. Never forget that. There is no member of the Senate with any moral boundaries whatsoever

Or it’s just not their problem that someone who signed up for the job can’t handle the pressure? She voted the exact same way any other Senator from CA would anyways, lol.
Endorsing elder abuse is low even for you

Elder abuse would imply that she is being forced against her will to remain in the Senate. Legally there is no way for her to leave the Senate other than resigning of her own accord. I'm sure than plenty of other Senators agree she would leave, but they don't have the authority to force her out. Elder abuse is a serious issue and should be defined properly.
The Senate has the authority to expel a member

That has only been done over treason and support for the confederacy (which amounted to the same). The optics of expelling an ailing member of the Senate for illness would be dreadful and most of the Senate probably does not want that.
You think alleging that their motives here are optics makes them more sympathetic?

I don't know if it's being sympathetic, but I do know that most Senators aren't going to get behind an expulsion over health reasons. Expelling someone who can't defend themselves would be ethically questionable.
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« Reply #20 on: May 29, 2023, 01:09:27 PM »

There should be tests that one has to pass in order to be an elected official. I mean, if a janitor or clerk has to pass a civil service exam, the people who run our country should have to as well

We do.  They’re known as elections.

Also, politics isn't a profession.
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« Reply #21 on: May 29, 2023, 03:17:55 PM »

To hell with the Pelosis and their allies including that grandstanding jackass Schiff. Their disgusting cynicism is shameful even by the low standards of the disreputable “profession” of politics.
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« Reply #22 on: May 29, 2023, 03:18:17 PM »


Nobody can call her a quitter, that's for sure.
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« Reply #23 on: May 29, 2023, 03:25:12 PM »

The voters are responsible for this too...

Continuing to elect the same person over & over again, regardless of anything that comes up, simply because of "blue no matter what" or "republican no matter what", doesn't help. It leads to situations to this.

At this point, California - a state of 40 million residents - is represented by 2 senators (which is already unfairly distributed), and 1 of them someone suffering from dementia who belongs in a rest home, not the senate. And it's sad because it deprives California from the opportunity to raise the name or elect a new talented politician who might be a future presidential contendor.

But yea, its what you deserve if you elect an 85+ year old woman to the senate.
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« Reply #24 on: May 29, 2023, 03:27:12 PM »

There should be tests that one has to pass in order to be an elected official. I mean, if a janitor or clerk has to pass a civil service exam, the people who run our country should have to as well

We do.  They’re known as elections.

Also, politics isn't a profession.


Good, we shouldn't be paying them in that case.
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