Jury finds that Donald Trump sexually abused E. Jean Carroll in civil case
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« on: May 09, 2023, 02:09:31 PM »
« edited: May 09, 2023, 02:14:59 PM by wbrocks67 »
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« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2023, 02:10:30 PM »
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« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2023, 02:11:24 PM »
Trump lost on all charges except the rape charge. Wow.

Apparently, she's been awarded $5m.
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« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2023, 02:13:30 PM »
Not surprised they said no to the rape case since they're harder to prove in court, but the yes to sexual abuse is still a pretty BFD. Doesn't this mean he'd have to register as a sex offender?
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« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2023, 02:14:15 PM »
« Edited: May 09, 2023, 02:20:15 PM by Gass3268 »
Quote from: wbrocks67 on May 09, 2023, 02:13:30 PM
Not surprised they said no to the rape case since they're harder to prove in court, but the yes to sexual abuse is still a pretty BFD. Doesn't this mean he'd have to register as a sex offender?



Civil suit so no, but he is a convicted sexual predator.
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« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2023, 02:14:46 PM »
Well now he’s unstoppable.
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« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2023, 02:15:03 PM »
And it won't make a difference to the ones who worship him.
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« Reply #7 on: May 09, 2023, 02:19:26 PM »



That Rapist Pig should be in prison.
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« Reply #8 on: May 09, 2023, 02:20:20 PM »
Inb4 the blue avatars explain how this is actually good for Trump.
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« Reply #9 on: May 09, 2023, 02:22:04 PM »
Since the Manhattan indictment forever Trump can do no wrong and everything is a Deep State conspiracy. It should hurt him. It would obliterate anyone else's chances. If anything this helps him.
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« Reply #10 on: May 09, 2023, 02:22:51 PM »
"I could shoot someone in the middle of Fifth Avenue and I wouldn't lose any votes."
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« Reply #11 on: May 09, 2023, 02:30:15 PM »
At the risk of playing devil's advocate, what was the actual evidence presented for the claim? (Haven't kept up with the case) Was there physical evidence or all witness testimony?
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« Reply #12 on: May 09, 2023, 02:30:23 PM »
Quote from: Santander on May 09, 2023, 02:22:51 PM
"I could shoot someone in the middle of Fifth Avenue and I wouldn't lose any votes."

Thankfully he said shoot and not rape.
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« Reply #13 on: May 09, 2023, 02:30:57 PM »
Approx $3 million in damages for defamation.
Approx $2 million in damages for the civil battery claim.

Total = About $5 million.
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« Reply #14 on: May 09, 2023, 02:33:35 PM »
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« Reply #15 on: May 09, 2023, 02:34:46 PM »
Quote from: ProudModerate2 on May 09, 2023, 02:30:57 PM
Approx $3 million in damages for defamation.
Approx $2 million in damages for the civil battery claim.

Total = About $5 million.

Or what Trump would say, five small loans.
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« Reply #16 on: May 09, 2023, 02:35:45 PM »
Nothing burger.
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« Reply #17 on: May 09, 2023, 02:37:35 PM »
Mr. President, raise your hand if a jury didn't found you're a sexual abuser:
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« Reply #18 on: May 09, 2023, 02:38:27 PM »
Quote from: Landslide Lyndon on May 09, 2023, 02:20:20 PM
Inb4 the blue avatars explain how this is actually good for Trump.
I can see that this will be easy:

"the jurors did not agree with Carroll’s allegation that the former president raped her"

This will be the focus, that he is declared innocent of that charge.

No voter will switch on the basis of the "battery" and "defamation" stuff in a civil suit.
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« Reply #19 on: May 09, 2023, 02:40:13 PM »
Legally
Quote from: oldtimer on May 09, 2023, 02:38:27 PM
Quote from: Landslide Lyndon on May 09, 2023, 02:20:20 PM
Inb4 the blue avatars explain how this is actually good for Trump.
I can see that this will be easy:

"the jurors did not agree with Carroll’s allegation that the former president raped her"

This will be the focus, that he is declared innocent of that charge.

No voter will switch on the basis of the "battery" and "defamation" stuff in a civil suit.


"Rape" is likely defined narrowly in this context as forced penile penetration, and they found while there wasn't enough proof to say he did that specific action, they didn't declare him innocent. They did find there was enough proof to say he sexually and physically abused her however.

Anyway, he's now legally about as innocent as OJ. No criminal conviction, but for the first time in history we have a president (and major party presidential frontrunner) who was found by a court of law to have in all likelihood committed violent crimes.
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« Reply #20 on: May 09, 2023, 02:41:30 PM »
Being found liable for something doesn't mean you did it.
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« Reply #21 on: May 09, 2023, 02:42:22 PM »
Quote from: Santander on May 09, 2023, 02:41:30 PM
Being found liable for something doesn't mean you did it.

In the context of this case it effectively does. Or rather, it means a preponderance of the evidence indicated it.
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« Reply #22 on: May 09, 2023, 02:42:44 PM »

Being found guilty for battery and sexual assault is not a “nothing burger”. What a terrible thing to say.
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« Reply #23 on: May 09, 2023, 02:47:13 PM »
« Edited: May 09, 2023, 02:52:20 PM by oldtimer »
Quote from: VALibertarian on May 09, 2023, 02:30:15 PM
At the risk of playing devil's advocate, what was the actual evidence presented for the claim? (Haven't kept up with the case) Was there physical evidence or all witness testimony?
From what I can tell now that the trial ended it was a "he said, she said" situation, which is typical for civil suits over defamation stuff.

That's why the rich and famous avoid saying stuff about unknown people in public , they could be sued for it, or why N.D.A.'s have become typical.

You can't just go on TV and say "Wayne my neighbour is an ugly jerk" for example if you are lets say Harrison Ford.
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« Reply #24 on: May 09, 2023, 02:47:19 PM »
Quote from: Dr Oz Lost Party! on May 09, 2023, 02:42:44 PM

Being found guilty for battery and sexual assault is not a “nothing burger”. What a terrible thing to say.

It’s terrible, but if we’re being honest, it’s true.
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