Singapore executed a man convicted of conspiring to traffic about two pounds of cannabis

[emailking]

It's not our place to harshly judge Singapore on how broadly they apply the death penalty.

It very much so is. It's just not our place to send troops in to change them.

If it were one of our citizens in this situation, I wouldn't oppose a military operation.

Something similar happened in the 90s. An American citizen was convicted of vandalism in Singapore and sentenced to dozens of lashes. Clinton asked for mercy and I think got them to reduce the number of lashes.

[Horus]

Based.

You've previously indicated you enjoy a good drink or three. Give up alcohol and then we'll talk you hypocrite

lmao

Alcohol is far more dangerous than cannabis. Wouldn't you agree?

[Continential]

Based.

You've previously indicated you enjoy a good drink or three. Give up alcohol and then we'll talk you hypocrite

lmao

I also remember you saying that you enjoyed cocaine.

[Del Tachi]

Based.

You've previously indicated you enjoy a good drink or three. Give up alcohol and then we'll talk you hypocrite

lmao

I also remember you saying that you enjoyed cocaine.

Yes!  But never in Singapore!  I'm not stupid

[Del Tachi]

Based.

You've previously indicated you enjoy a good drink or three. Give up alcohol and then we'll talk you hypocrite

lmao

Alcohol is far more dangerous than cannabis. Wouldn't you agree?

No.  That marijuana is "safer" than alcohol is a piece of disinformation that has become so mainstreamed that it's now regurgitated as common knowledge, but (unfortunately for you) it's a lie.  Alcohol has more social consequences because it's consumed by so many more people, but the individual health effects of marijuana are just as bad.  It's also unfair to directly make a comparison between the two:  since alcohol has been legal and more widely used for much longer, there's been more robust research on its long term health effects.

There's an increasingly robust body of evidence that high-potency cannabis plays a significant role in activating psychosis, increasing the risk of depression and suicidal ideation, fueling anxiety, and decreasing brain health.  I made a post linking to some of these studies last year: 

Youth nowadays are consuming marijuana more frequently and in higher doses than previous generations.  Weed today is 4x more potent than in 1995, which is a major reason why 1 in 6 people who start smoking weed before turning 18 will develop cannabis use disorder.

Cannabis-induced mental illness is a proven medical phenomenon.  A study last year found that young people with mood disorders who were also addicted to pot were 3.2x more likely to commit self-harm.  A study from Denmark found that schizophrenia cases associated with marijuana have increased 300-400% since 2001.  A meta-analysis of studies published since 2019 showed persistent use of marijuana significantly contributed to increased physical violence in young people (aged <30) even after controlling for socioeconomic factors and other substance use.

If you can't see the connection between cannabis and psychosis it's because you're choosing to put blinders on.

 

[FT-02 Senator A.F.E. 🇵🇸🤝🇺🇸🤝🇺🇦]

It's not our place to harshly judge Singapore on how broadly they apply the death penalty.

It very much so is. It's just not our place to send troops in to change them.

If it were one of our citizens in this situation, I wouldn't oppose a military operation.

bruh

[coloradocowboi]

Based.

You've previously indicated you enjoy a good drink or three. Give up alcohol and then we'll talk you hypocrite

lmao

Alcohol is far more dangerous than cannabis. Wouldn't you agree?

No.  That marijuana is "safer" than alcohol is a piece of disinformation that has become so mainstreamed that it's now regurgitated as common knowledge, but (unfortunately for you) it's a lie.  Alcohol has more social consequences because it's consumed by so many more people, but the individual health effects of marijuana are just as bad.  It's also unfair to directly make a comparison between the two:  since alcohol has been legal and more widely used for much longer, there's been more robust research on its long term health effects.

There's an increasingly robust body of evidence that high-potency cannabis plays a significant role in activating psychosis, increasing the risk of depression and suicidal ideation, fueling anxiety, and decreasing brain health.  I made a post linking to some of these studies last year: 

Youth nowadays are consuming marijuana more frequently and in higher doses than previous generations.  Weed today is 4x more potent than in 1995, which is a major reason why 1 in 6 people who start smoking weed before turning 18 will develop cannabis use disorder.

Cannabis-induced mental illness is a proven medical phenomenon.  A study last year found that young people with mood disorders who were also addicted to pot were 3.2x more likely to commit self-harm.  A study from Denmark found that schizophrenia cases associated with marijuana have increased 300-400% since 2001.  A meta-analysis of studies published since 2019 showed persistent use of marijuana significantly contributed to increased physical violence in young people (aged <30) even after controlling for socioeconomic factors and other substance use.

If you can't see the connection between cannabis and psychosis it's because you're choosing to put blinders on.

 

This is pure sophistry. You don’t even cite comparative data. Alcohol has way worse observed physical effects. Alcohol dependency correlates to violence far more than heavy marijuana use. If you did a meta analysis like that with a population that huge you’d likely find “aggression” correlates to having a sweet tooth, watching porn, and any other form of poor impulse control. Nothing you cited suggests anything more than marijuana causing psychosis in vulnerable people to which one must say “duh.”

There is also a massive literature on the benefits of marijuana usage, and virtually none about the benefits of drinking except maybe wine’s antioxidant effect. They have vastly different physiological effects, and if you’d get high like any normal person in the 21st century you’d get it too.

Cannabis use dates back to biblical times and it’s barbaric to kill someone for trafficking a couple of pounds when you harbor war criminals and corporate refugees.

[emailking]

They're both good for you and bad for you in different ways how's that.

[free my dawg]

Based.

What the f**k is wrong with you?

[Badger]

Based.

You've previously indicated you enjoy a good drink or three. Give up alcohol and then we'll talk you hypocrite

lmao

Translation: "I've got nothing.'

[Del Tachi]

Based.

You've previously indicated you enjoy a good drink or three. Give up alcohol and then we'll talk you hypocrite

lmao

Alcohol is far more dangerous than cannabis. Wouldn't you agree?

No.  That marijuana is "safer" than alcohol is a piece of disinformation that has become so mainstreamed that it's now regurgitated as common knowledge, but (unfortunately for you) it's a lie.  Alcohol has more social consequences because it's consumed by so many more people, but the individual health effects of marijuana are just as bad.  It's also unfair to directly make a comparison between the two:  since alcohol has been legal and more widely used for much longer, there's been more robust research on its long term health effects.

There's an increasingly robust body of evidence that high-potency cannabis plays a significant role in activating psychosis, increasing the risk of depression and suicidal ideation, fueling anxiety, and decreasing brain health.  I made a post linking to some of these studies last year: 

Youth nowadays are consuming marijuana more frequently and in higher doses than previous generations.  Weed today is 4x more potent than in 1995, which is a major reason why 1 in 6 people who start smoking weed before turning 18 will develop cannabis use disorder.

Cannabis-induced mental illness is a proven medical phenomenon.  A study last year found that young people with mood disorders who were also addicted to pot were 3.2x more likely to commit self-harm.  A study from Denmark found that schizophrenia cases associated with marijuana have increased 300-400% since 2001.  A meta-analysis of studies published since 2019 showed persistent use of marijuana significantly contributed to increased physical violence in young people (aged <30) even after controlling for socioeconomic factors and other substance use.

If you can't see the connection between cannabis and psychosis it's because you're choosing to put blinders on.

 

This is pure sophistry. You don’t even cite comparative data. Alcohol has way worse observed physical effects. Alcohol dependency correlates to violence far more than heavy marijuana use. If you did a meta analysis like that with a population that huge you’d likely find “aggression” correlates to having a sweet tooth, watching porn, and any other form of poor impulse control. Nothing you cited suggests anything more than marijuana causing psychosis in vulnerable people to which one must say “duh.”

There is also a massive literature on the benefits of marijuana usage, and virtually none about the benefits of drinking except maybe wine’s antioxidant effect. They have vastly different physiological effects, and if you’d get high like any normal person in the 21st century you’d get it too.

Cannabis use dates back to biblical times and it’s barbaric to kill someone for trafficking a couple of pounds when you harbor war criminals and corporate refugees.

The link between heavy cannabis use and violence, suicidality, and mental illness is significant regardless of study design or adjustment for confounding factors, including the use of other substances (i.e., you can't chalk these findings up to "poor impulse control.")

Comparisons between alcohol and marijuana are unfair because, as I said, we've been studying the long-term effects of alcohol for much longer.  The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, but this isn't even the case:  there is a growing body of research suggesting harmful physical and social effects from high-potency cannabis.  Weed is 6x more potent (i.e., psychoactive) today than a generation ago, and this is happening simultaneously with legalization and higher rates of use (especially among adolescents.)  This is unchartered territory.  At least Americans are actually drinking less than they were 20 or 30 years ago.

You obviously have a big dog in this fight since you think my solution should be to "get high like any normal person in the 21st century."  There's nothing Atlas gets more upset about than when someone comes for their reefer, but how is that honestly working out for you?

[free my dawg]

The link between heavy cannabis use and violence, suicidality, and mental illness is significant regardless of study design or adjustment for confounding factors, including the use of other substances (i.e., you can't chalk these findings up to "poor impulse control.")

Comparisons between alcohol and marijuana are unfair because, as I said, we've been studying the long-term effects of alcohol for much longer.  The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, but this isn't even the case:  there is a growing body of research suggesting harmful physical and social effects from high-potency cannabis.  Weed is 6x more potent (i.e., psychoactive) today than a generation ago, and this is happening simultaneously with legalization and higher rates of use (especially among adolescents.)  This is unchartered territory.  At least Americans are actually drinking less than they were 20 or 30 years ago.

You obviously have a big dog in this fight since you think my solution should be to "get high like any normal person in the 21st century."  There's nothing Atlas gets more upset about than when someone comes for their reefer, but how is that honestly working out for you?

I'm with you, man! I'm concerned with the increasing potency of weed and I've personally seen the effects firsthand. Part pf the reason why I don't talk to my mother is because of her weed psychosis!

I just think it's highly distasteful to gravedance over your average small-time pot dealer. You're treating this guy like he's Pablo Escobar.

[Pres Mike]

Perhaps a bit harsh for this particular crime. That said America needs to adopt much harsher policies on crime in general. And yes, I support the death penalty

[coloradocowboi]

Based.

You've previously indicated you enjoy a good drink or three. Give up alcohol and then we'll talk you hypocrite

lmao

Alcohol is far more dangerous than cannabis. Wouldn't you agree?

No.  That marijuana is "safer" than alcohol is a piece of disinformation that has become so mainstreamed that it's now regurgitated as common knowledge, but (unfortunately for you) it's a lie.  Alcohol has more social consequences because it's consumed by so many more people, but the individual health effects of marijuana are just as bad.  It's also unfair to directly make a comparison between the two:  since alcohol has been legal and more widely used for much longer, there's been more robust research on its long term health effects.

There's an increasingly robust body of evidence that high-potency cannabis plays a significant role in activating psychosis, increasing the risk of depression and suicidal ideation, fueling anxiety, and decreasing brain health.  I made a post linking to some of these studies last year: 

Youth nowadays are consuming marijuana more frequently and in higher doses than previous generations.  Weed today is 4x more potent than in 1995, which is a major reason why 1 in 6 people who start smoking weed before turning 18 will develop cannabis use disorder.

Cannabis-induced mental illness is a proven medical phenomenon.  A study last year found that young people with mood disorders who were also addicted to pot were 3.2x more likely to commit self-harm.  A study from Denmark found that schizophrenia cases associated with marijuana have increased 300-400% since 2001.  A meta-analysis of studies published since 2019 showed persistent use of marijuana significantly contributed to increased physical violence in young people (aged <30) even after controlling for socioeconomic factors and other substance use.

If you can't see the connection between cannabis and psychosis it's because you're choosing to put blinders on.

 

This is pure sophistry. You don’t even cite comparative data. Alcohol has way worse observed physical effects. Alcohol dependency correlates to violence far more than heavy marijuana use. If you did a meta analysis like that with a population that huge you’d likely find “aggression” correlates to having a sweet tooth, watching porn, and any other form of poor impulse control. Nothing you cited suggests anything more than marijuana causing psychosis in vulnerable people to which one must say “duh.”

There is also a massive literature on the benefits of marijuana usage, and virtually none about the benefits of drinking except maybe wine’s antioxidant effect. They have vastly different physiological effects, and if you’d get high like any normal person in the 21st century you’d get it too.

Cannabis use dates back to biblical times and it’s barbaric to kill someone for trafficking a couple of pounds when you harbor war criminals and corporate refugees.

The link between heavy cannabis use and violence, suicidality, and mental illness is significant regardless of study design or adjustment for confounding factors, including the use of other substances (i.e., you can't chalk these findings up to "poor impulse control.")

Comparisons between alcohol and marijuana are unfair because, as I said, we've been studying the long-term effects of alcohol for much longer.  The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, but this isn't even the case:  there is a growing body of research suggesting harmful physical and social effects from high-potency cannabis.  Weed is 6x more potent (i.e., psychoactive) today than a generation ago, and this is happening simultaneously with legalization and higher rates of use (especially among adolescents.)  This is unchartered territory.  At least Americans are actually drinking less than they were 20 or 30 years ago.

You obviously have a big dog in this fight since you think my solution should be to "get high like any normal person in the 21st century."  There's nothing Atlas gets more upset about than when someone comes for their reefer, but how is that honestly working out for you?

I do have a dog in this fight, because you're out here arguing for a politics that's about executing private citizens for consumer choices as banal as a beer. That's disgusting imo

As for how marijuana is working for me, I'm graduating with a Ph.D. from an R1 university in one week and starting a six-figure salary job this summer, and not advocating for killing anybody. I smoke weed almost every single day.

And, yes, Americans are drinking less. Marijuana is stronger. And yet every other study you didn't cite/cherry pick demonstrates that alcohol usage correlates more than the "super strong THC" you don't understand because you've never even consumed THC to violence, spousal abuse, and even other mental health outcomes like depression.

It's just pure projection coming from you. "Marijuana is almost as bad as alcohol using this specific definition I invented just now with cherry picked data therefore Singapore should execute somebody who didn't commit a violent crime."

I come from three generations of alcoholism. It's ruined my life in myriad ways. I am, funny enough, even a recovering alcoholic myself. And you will never catch me policing other people's consumption because it doesn't work, it's not my business, and I'm not motivated by authoritarian sadism. Hence why I said I'm normal

[ꙮ]

Perhaps a bit harsh for this particular crime. That said America needs to adopt much harsher policies on crime in general. And yes, I support the death penalty

Perhaps a bit harsh? What should be the “appropriate” punishment for possessing less than 1 kg of a substance no more dangerous than alcohol?

[Pres Mike]

Perhaps a bit harsh for this particular crime. That said America needs to adopt much harsher policies on crime in general. And yes, I support the death penalty

Perhaps a bit harsh? What should be the “appropriate” punishment for possessing less than 1 kg of a substance no more dangerous than alcohol?

I do not know. I’ve never really developed an opinion towards weed. Never smoked it.

In the last few years, I’ve developed really bad OCD. Smelling weed freaks me out and triggers me for days afterward. So I don’t think it’s fair for me to say

[ꙮ]

Perhaps a bit harsh for this particular crime. That said America needs to adopt much harsher policies on crime in general. And yes, I support the death penalty

Perhaps a bit harsh? What should be the “appropriate” punishment for possessing less than 1 kg of a substance no more dangerous than alcohol?

I do not know. I’ve never really developed an opinion towards weed. Never smoked it.

In the last few years, I’ve developed really bad OCD. Smelling weed freaks me out and triggers me for days afterward. So I don’t think it’s fair for me to say

Fair enough.

I’ve never smoked and don’t plan on it, but I don’t think it should be illegal. The fact that there are places that would put a person to death for this is disgusting.

[SInNYC]

I hope people realize that any complaints Americans make about Singapore could also be made by most Europeans against the US.

What this guy did is not punishable by death anywhere in the US and outright legal in much of it. And I think most of the Americans attacking Singapore for this also oppose the death penalty in the US as well, so they wouldn't disagree with such criticisms.

Thats missing the point. The point is not whether this particular offense is worth the death penalty. The point is that you cant criticize another country with what you view as draconian laws without also accepting other country criticisms of what they view as draconian in your own country.

To make it clear I have no problems with somebody who is against the death penalty (I am myself). I am talking about those who criticize a country with tough laws and then tell those who criticize their own country to mind their own business. And yes, there are many of these. Also, its not just about the death penalty but general draconian laws and prison conditions.

And what would singaporeans criticize Americans for being relatively Draconian over? Serious question.

I have no idea whether there is anything Singapore is less draconian on than the US, but my post said Europe, not Singapore.

[John Dule]

I hope people realize that any complaints Americans make about Singapore could also be made by most Europeans against the US.

What this guy did is not punishable by death anywhere in the US and outright legal in much of it. And I think most of the Americans attacking Singapore for this also oppose the death penalty in the US as well, so they wouldn't disagree with such criticisms.

Thats missing the point. The point is not whether this particular offense is worth the death penalty. The point is that you cant criticize another country with what you view as draconian laws without also accepting other country criticisms of what they view as draconian in your own country.

To make it clear I have no problems with somebody who is against the death penalty (I am myself). I am talking about those who criticize a country with tough laws and then tell those who criticize their own country to mind their own business. And yes, there are many of these. Also, its not just about the death penalty but general draconian laws and prison conditions.

And what would singaporeans criticize Americans for being relatively Draconian over? Serious question.

I have no idea whether there is anything Singapore is less draconian on than the US, but my post said Europe, not Singapore.

In any case, your point isn’t relevant because the US criminal justice system deserves all the criticism it gets, and the people criticizing Singapore in this thread would overwhelmingly agree with the criticisms levied by Europeans against the United States.

[Secretary of State Liberal Hack]

I hope people realize that any complaints Americans make about Singapore could also be made by most Europeans against the US.

What this guy did is not punishable by death anywhere in the US and outright legal in much of it. And I think most of the Americans attacking Singapore for this also oppose the death penalty in the US as well, so they wouldn't disagree with such criticisms.

Thats missing the point. The point is not whether this particular offense is worth the death penalty. The point is that you cant criticize another country with what you view as draconian laws without also accepting other country criticisms of what they view as draconian in your own country.

To make it clear I have no problems with somebody who is against the death penalty (I am myself). I am talking about those who criticize a country with tough laws and then tell those who criticize their own country to mind their own business. And yes, there are many of these. Also, its not just about the death penalty but general draconian laws and prison conditions.

And what would singaporeans criticize Americans for being relatively Draconian over? Serious question.

Sentence lengths, Singaporean prison sentence lengths are a fraction of those normally applied in the us

[Badger]

I hope people realize that any complaints Americans make about Singapore could also be made by most Europeans against the US.

What this guy did is not punishable by death anywhere in the US and outright legal in much of it. And I think most of the Americans attacking Singapore for this also oppose the death penalty in the US as well, so they wouldn't disagree with such criticisms.

Thats missing the point. The point is not whether this particular offense is worth the death penalty. The point is that you cant criticize another country with what you view as draconian laws without also accepting other country criticisms of what they view as draconian in your own country.

To make it clear I have no problems with somebody who is against the death penalty (I am myself). I am talking about those who criticize a country with tough laws and then tell those who criticize their own country to mind their own business. And yes, there are many of these. Also, its not just about the death penalty but general draconian laws and prison conditions.

And what would singaporeans criticize Americans for being relatively Draconian over? Serious question.

Sentence lengths, Singaporean prison sentence lengths are a fraction of those normally applied in the us

Well, sure, as would any judicial system that uses flogging and offering people for less than a kilo of marijuana. Sounds like all they do then is imprisoned shoplifters.

Though yes, if any Singaporean ever wanted to criticize the US for over incarceration, I'd be agreeing with them 200%.

[TheReckoning]

Why is this in USGD?

[Zinneke]

Singapore and South East Asian autocracies are fetishised by GOP cryptobro types like "Indian Bronson" and the blue avatars here because they perceive SEA societies as places where rich sex trafficking pedos are tolerated. This is why the blue avatars back this kind of society, they should readily admit they are pro-sex trafficking of women and boys.


Also, Singapore and China probably have some PTSD over the Opium Wars etc. I understand the cultural taboo of drugs. I also think Western cities should not just legalise and see what happens but actively seek to end public drug consumption and especially target hard drugs like crack, opiates and be looser on party drugs, LSD whatever.

[CumbrianLefty]

Why is this in USGD?

it isn't any more

Anyway, a totally ridiculous and monstrous act.

Which puts some of the recent pro-Singapore hype we have seen into perspective too.

[politicallefty]

It's not our place to harshly judge Singapore on how broadly they apply the death penalty.

It very much so is. It's just not our place to send troops in to change them.

If it were one of our citizens in this situation, I wouldn't oppose a military operation.

bruh

I didn't mean an invasion. I meant a rescue mission or something along those lines if all else failed. That means something more like the CIA or one of our elite military units. Maybe I draw the line in a different place. If it was murder or espionage, we can plea for mercy, but they aren't atypical capital crimes. Marijuana possession, witchcraft, heresy, homosexuality? I wouldn't stand for that.