When will the next Democrat be able to win all Southern states?

[Person Man]

I think "The Solid South" might be a thing of the past and will never be a thing again. Then again, you could simply shift what "The South" is. 

[RINO Tom]

I think "The Solid South" might be a thing of the past and will never be a thing again. Then again, you could simply shift what "The South" is.

This is already lame enough with states like Virginia, but it would reach new levels of lame if people on Atlas start claiming Georgia isn't the South because it votes blue, lol.

[RussFeingoldWasRobbed]

^ I actually think A LOT of voters are "usually" apathetic on abortion ... the overturning of Roe v. Wade put a huge spotlight on it, and it likely pushed a lot of moderates toward the pro-choice camp.  I suspect a nationally covered push by liberals to ensure protection for a right to a late-term abortion under any circumstances would reframe the issue in a more pro-life POV for many moderates, as well.  I think the evidence for this is that (1) you get significantly different results for an abortion opinion poll depending on the wording and (2) a very significant percent of voters vote for the opposite party of their stance on abortion.  In 2020, 24% of pro-choice voters went for Trump, and 23% of pro-life voters went for Biden.   Even in 2022, there were very significant numbers of self-described pro-choice voters that supported Republicans in governor races just months after Roe v. Wade was overturned and turned into a statewide issue:

PRO-CHOICE VOTERS ONLY
Arizona: 74% DEM, 24% GOP
Florida: 67% DEM, 33% GOP
Georgia: 71% DEM, 28% GOP
Michigan: 81% DEM, 17% GOP
Nevada: 67% DEM, 31% GOP
New Hampshire: 57% DEM, 42% GOP
Ohio: 56% DEM, 43% GOP
Pennsylvania: 81% DEM, 18% GOP
Texas: 75% DEM, 23% GOP
Wisconsin: 73% DEM, 26% GOP

While Sununu in New Hampshire was a relatively pro-choice Republican (explaining some of the decreased margin), DeWine in Ohio is pretty damn pro-life.  It's also worth noting, though, that pro-life voters shifted WAY to the right, which indicates either increased turnout from more rabid pro-life voters or significant numbers of pro-life Democrats voting GOP in an election that they thought might determine their states' abortion laws (this seems suspect, though, as no GOP candidate won huge portions of Democrats?).

MI Holy cow

[Mr. Smith]

The next time Republicans can with The Northeast, I presume?

[100% pro-life no matter what]

^ I actually think A LOT of voters are "usually" apathetic on abortion ... the overturning of Roe v. Wade put a huge spotlight on it, and it likely pushed a lot of moderates toward the pro-choice camp.  I suspect a nationally covered push by liberals to ensure protection for a right to a late-term abortion under any circumstances would reframe the issue in a more pro-life POV for many moderates, as well.  I think the evidence for this is that (1) you get significantly different results for an abortion opinion poll depending on the wording and (2) a very significant percent of voters vote for the opposite party of their stance on abortion.  In 2020, 24% of pro-choice voters went for Trump, and 23% of pro-life voters went for Biden.   Even in 2022, there were very significant numbers of self-described pro-choice voters that supported Republicans in governor races just months after Roe v. Wade was overturned and turned into a statewide issue:

PRO-CHOICE VOTERS ONLY
Arizona: 74% DEM, 24% GOP
Florida: 67% DEM, 33% GOP
Georgia: 71% DEM, 28% GOP
Michigan: 81% DEM, 17% GOP
Nevada: 67% DEM, 31% GOP
New Hampshire: 57% DEM, 42% GOP
Ohio: 56% DEM, 43% GOP
Pennsylvania: 81% DEM, 18% GOP
Texas: 75% DEM, 23% GOP
Wisconsin: 73% DEM, 26% GOP

While Sununu in New Hampshire was a relatively pro-choice Republican (explaining some of the decreased margin), DeWine in Ohio is pretty damn pro-life.  It's also worth noting, though, that pro-life voters shifted WAY to the right, which indicates either increased turnout from more rabid pro-life voters or significant numbers of pro-life Democrats voting GOP in an election that they thought might determine their states' abortion laws (this seems suspect, though, as no GOP candidate won huge portions of Democrats?).

That could also be that pro-life Democrats stopped identifying as pro-life in polls.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

^ I actually think A LOT of voters are "usually" apathetic on abortion ... the overturning of Roe v. Wade put a huge spotlight on it, and it likely pushed a lot of moderates toward the pro-choice camp.  I suspect a nationally covered push by liberals to ensure protection for a right to a late-term abortion under any circumstances would reframe the issue in a more pro-life POV for many moderates, as well.  I think the evidence for this is that (1) you get significantly different results for an abortion opinion poll depending on the wording and (2) a very significant percent of voters vote for the opposite party of their stance on abortion.  In 2020, 24% of pro-choice voters went for Trump, and 23% of pro-life voters went for Biden.   Even in 2022, there were very significant numbers of self-described pro-choice voters that supported Republicans in governor races just months after Roe v. Wade was overturned and turned into a statewide issue:

PRO-CHOICE VOTERS ONLY
Arizona: 74% DEM, 24% GOP
Florida: 67% DEM, 33% GOP
Georgia: 71% DEM, 28% GOP
Michigan: 81% DEM, 17% GOP
Nevada: 67% DEM, 31% GOP
New Hampshire: 57% DEM, 42% GOP
Ohio: 56% DEM, 43% GOP
Pennsylvania: 81% DEM, 18% GOP
Texas: 75% DEM, 23% GOP
Wisconsin: 73% DEM, 26% GOP

While Sununu in New Hampshire was a relatively pro-choice Republican (explaining some of the decreased margin), DeWine in Ohio is pretty damn pro-life.  It's also worth noting, though, that pro-life voters shifted WAY to the right, which indicates either increased turnout from more rabid pro-life voters or significant numbers of pro-life Democrats voting GOP in an election that they thought might determine their states' abortion laws (this seems suspect, though, as no GOP candidate won huge portions of Democrats?).

That could also be that pro-life Democrats stopped identifying as pro-life in polls.

That could be quite plausible.

[RINO Tom]

^ I actually think A LOT of voters are "usually" apathetic on abortion ... the overturning of Roe v. Wade put a huge spotlight on it, and it likely pushed a lot of moderates toward the pro-choice camp.  I suspect a nationally covered push by liberals to ensure protection for a right to a late-term abortion under any circumstances would reframe the issue in a more pro-life POV for many moderates, as well.  I think the evidence for this is that (1) you get significantly different results for an abortion opinion poll depending on the wording and (2) a very significant percent of voters vote for the opposite party of their stance on abortion.  In 2020, 24% of pro-choice voters went for Trump, and 23% of pro-life voters went for Biden.   Even in 2022, there were very significant numbers of self-described pro-choice voters that supported Republicans in governor races just months after Roe v. Wade was overturned and turned into a statewide issue:

PRO-CHOICE VOTERS ONLY
Arizona: 74% DEM, 24% GOP
Florida: 67% DEM, 33% GOP
Georgia: 71% DEM, 28% GOP
Michigan: 81% DEM, 17% GOP
Nevada: 67% DEM, 31% GOP
New Hampshire: 57% DEM, 42% GOP
Ohio: 56% DEM, 43% GOP
Pennsylvania: 81% DEM, 18% GOP
Texas: 75% DEM, 23% GOP
Wisconsin: 73% DEM, 26% GOP

While Sununu in New Hampshire was a relatively pro-choice Republican (explaining some of the decreased margin), DeWine in Ohio is pretty damn pro-life.  It's also worth noting, though, that pro-life voters shifted WAY to the right, which indicates either increased turnout from more rabid pro-life voters or significant numbers of pro-life Democrats voting GOP in an election that they thought might determine their states' abortion laws (this seems suspect, though, as no GOP candidate won huge portions of Democrats?).

That could also be that pro-life Democrats stopped identifying as pro-life in polls.

Absolutely, there could be a lot of underlying causes.  However, what is undeniable is that there is a very sizable portion of the population on both sides that has traditionally not voted based on abortion, especially when it is not currently in the national spotlight ... and even then, it's not really a deal breaker.  You will find way bigger divisions on other issues.

[Person Man]

I think "The Solid South" might be a thing of the past and will never be a thing again. Then again, you could simply shift what "The South" is.

This is already lame enough with states like Virginia, but it would reach new levels of lame if people on Atlas start claiming Georgia isn't the South because it votes blue, lol.

But there hasn’t been this old Solid South in a long time, though.

[MarkD]

The answer, my friend, is blowing in the wind.