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« Reply #25 on: April 26, 2023, 11:55:40 PM »

I've said this elsewhere, but the sweet spot for Trump is to show up to the first debate, throw his dick around and assert himself as the master of the field, and then say "I'm not debating these losers again, I don't have anything to prove" and skip the rest. Note how in his Truth Social post he complains about the venue and sponsor of the SECOND debate.

Arguably this is even riskier. If he performs terribly then skips the other debates, he will look even more scared and weak. Skipping any of the debates is bad. Doesn't matter if they're hosting all the debates back to back, you have to go to each one or it looks like you're hiding something.
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« Reply #26 on: April 28, 2023, 12:38:05 AM »

Disagree. Debating those idiots doesn't run risk for Trump directly, but it does have a serious indirect downside: hours of footage of Trump having to stand next to Mike Pence as Mike Pence says the most unpopular stuff imaginable about abortion and asks if Trump agrees with him. Pence droning on about abortion for hours will make everyone in proximity to it look bad by relation.
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« Reply #27 on: April 28, 2023, 12:48:00 AM »

Disagree. Debating those idiots doesn't run risk for Trump directly, but it does have a serious indirect downside: hours of footage of Trump having to stand next to Mike Pence as Mike Pence says the most unpopular stuff imaginable about abortion and asks if Trump agrees with him. Pence droning on about abortion for hours will make everyone in proximity to it look bad by relation.

It's a lose-lose for sure.
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« Reply #28 on: April 28, 2023, 07:05:18 PM »

Even Hillary debated in 2016, and Trump is in a way less dominant position now than she was then.

He won't be able to get away with this. 




Who is going to stop him? The cult isn't going anywhere and all "sensible" Republicans will fall in line. Refusing to debate won't cost him anything.
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« Reply #29 on: April 28, 2023, 11:36:45 PM »

He skipped a primary debate in 2016 and it didn't hurt him.
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« Reply #30 on: April 30, 2023, 12:02:41 AM »

Even Hillary debated in 2016, and Trump is in a way less dominant position now than she was then.

He won't be able to get away with this. 


Not really? Granted this says more about where Trump is than where Hillary was.
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« Reply #31 on: May 02, 2023, 09:53:13 AM »

In 2016, one of Trump's biggest mistakes (going by the national polling average, which is kind of questionable but whatever) was skipping the pre-Iowa debate, which caused him to lose ground in the polls and if you think Iowa moved concurrently with the nation might've caused Cruz to win IA; if Trump had won that state he might've wrapped the nomination up on Super Tuesday. IA historically doesn't move with the nation -- see the outright Buttigieg victory there -- but who knows. (Trump mostly did fine in the debates, but no debate really ever caused a surge of support for him. The only candidate to successfully attack him in a debate in a way that caused polls to shift was Fiorina in the second one -- yes, really -- but that was fairly quickly reversed by events.)

By percentage of the electorate watching them, debates mattered more for 2012-R and 2016-R than they did for 2020-D (and the much greater importance of caucus states on the GOP side means that we're probably underestimating this if anything), and the idea that caucusgoers won't watch debates if Trump isn't in them seems strange; they did watch the fairly sedate 2012 field, and interest in politics is broadly higher today. (Attacking Trump would also be easier if he's not there; it's not like any of these guys would go out of their way to defend him.)

(Del Tachi has a point that not debating would be poison with "people who always turn out in congressional/gubernatorial GOP primaries", but then a substantial part of the logic of a Trump bid is that he could turn out an unusual electorate, and some of that electorate even came out for congressional/gubernatorial primaries in 2022.)

Disagree. Debating those idiots doesn't run risk for Trump directly, but it does have a serious indirect downside: hours of footage of Trump having to stand next to Mike Pence as Mike Pence says the most unpopular stuff imaginable about abortion and asks if Trump agrees with him. Pence droning on about abortion for hours will make everyone in proximity to it look bad by relation.

I don't think it runs a large risk, but the sheer fact that Fiorina could get a hit on him suggests it runs at least a small one. Saying more has to wait until we know what the qualifications to get in are; one of the most obvious differences is that this time around you will have candidates (at least Hutchinson, perhaps more) who are in the race substantially in order to kamikaze Trump at debates. I don't think that's a dynamic that's ever existed before at the national level and it's tough to see how it would play out.
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« Reply #32 on: May 05, 2023, 11:43:55 PM »

Even Hillary debated in 2016, and Trump is in a way less dominant position now than she was then.

He won't be able to get away with this. 

Disagree with Hillary in May 2015 being more dominant than Trump May 2023. Trump is basically running as the incumbent president, hence leading by 40 points.

The Hillary campaign was very worried about Vice President Biden jumping in throughout 2015. They were also worried about Elizabeth Warren. Trump isn't worried about Ron at all.

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« Reply #33 on: May 05, 2023, 11:49:08 PM »

Even Hillary debated in 2016, and Trump is in a way less dominant position now than she was then.

He won't be able to get away with this. 

Disagree with Hillary in May 2015 being more dominant than Trump May 2023. Trump is basically running as the incumbent president, hence leading by 40 points.

The Hillary campaign was very worried about Vice President Biden jumping in throughout 2015. They were also worried about Elizabeth Warren. Trump isn't worried about Ron at all.



This is an interesting take; essentially all polling which has asked the question shows >50% of Republican primary voters are at least considering supporting DeSantis, such that he could win a giant landslide without persuading anyone who's already decided to vote against him. (>70% are considering supporting Trump.)

Was there ever a time during the 2015-16 Democratic primaries when >50% of Democratic primary voters considered a candidate other than Hillary (whether Biden or Sanders)? I don't really think so, though I'd be interested in being proved wrong.

Of course, saying "DeSantis is more serious than Sanders was" isn't really a high bar to clear.
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