Should tip-dependent jobs be mandated to have minimum wage in the future?

[The Arizonan]

Should jobs that rely on tips be required to have minimum wage from now on or should the government side with employers who want to make employees dependent on tips?

[Meclazine for Israel]

Yes.

Because the current system just favours hot chicks with low cut dresses and short skirts.

[Anti Democrat Democrat Club]

I plan on voting against Shaheen because she thinks they shouldn't. (And only voted for Hassan to sh*tpost about Tulsi endorsing her opponent)

Take a wild guess.

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

Yes.

Because the current system just favours hot chicks with low cut dresses and short skirts.

Well that explains why I didn't make good tips when I worked at Outback. 

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Let's see if this becomes an actual problem.

[Bootes Void]

Yes tip dependent jobs should have the same mandated minimum wage as other jobs

In the meanwhile, the culture around tipping  should change. Asking 20% minimum tipping these for basic service is just getting ridiculous( it should be about 5-10% with only going above for exceptional service but that’s a separate issue around tipping etiquette)

[Hammy]

No job should be tip-dependent in the first place.

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Minimum wage in California is $15.50 without tips.

[Nyvin]

I'm getting really annoyed at how common tips are becoming and how much people expect them at certain places.

The other night I ordered a pizza, drove to the store to pick it up myself, and I placed the order on their website so no one even had to talk to me on the phone.

I walk into the store, tell the cashier my name and that I'm there for pickup, and she goes and grabs the box and hands it to me, I say thanks and start to walk out, and then I hear some guy say "any tip?" and she says obnoxiously loud "Nope! Nothing!" and I'm sure it was planned so that I heard them say that.

Why exactly would I be expected to tip if I'm driving to the store myself?  If I'm going to pay an extra 20% I'll just have them deliver the pizza to my doorstep and at least place the order by phone so I don't have to put up with their buggy website.

Taking a pizza box off a shelf and walking 3 steps away to hand it to me is not a "service" and if I have to tip people to make a product that the companies sells, then where does it end?  Do I have to tip deli workers at a grocery store who cut my turkey slices?  Do I tip the front desk workers at the dentist for checking me in and out?  

If the workers at the business aren't being paid a living wage without tips then take that up with the business owners and management, don't guilt trip consumers about not giving tips.

/end rant.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Obviously

[The Arizonan]

I'm getting really annoyed at how common tips are becoming and how much people expect them at certain places.

The other night I ordered a pizza, drove to the store to pick it up myself, and I placed the order on their website so no one even had to talk to me on the phone.

I walk into the store, tell the cashier my name and that I'm there for pickup, and she goes and grabs the box and hands it to me, I say thanks and start to walk out, and then I hear some guy say "any tip?" and she says obnoxiously loud "Nope! Nothing!" and I'm sure it was planned so that I heard them say that.

Why exactly would I be expected to tip if I'm driving to the store myself?  If I'm going to pay an extra 20% I'll just have them deliver the pizza to my doorstep and at least place the order by phone so I don't have to put up with their buggy website.

Taking a pizza box off a shelf and walking 3 steps away to hand it to me is not a "service" and if I have to tip people to make a product that the companies sells, then where does it end?  Do I have to tip deli workers at a grocery store who cut my turkey slices?  Do I tip the front desk workers at the dentist for checking me in and out?  

If the workers at the business aren't being paid a living wage without tips then take that up with the business owners and management, don't guilt trip consumers about not giving tips.

/end rant.

Thank you for telling this story.

Why don’t we start forcing businesses to drop this nonsense?

[Vice President Christian Man]

I think it should unless the amount of tips surpasses the wage although I’d prefer a European type style where tipping isn’t necessary.

[No War, but the War on Christmas]

I stand with FDR when it comes to 'tip-dependent' jobs or any other job,

It seems to me to be equally plain that no business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country. By "business" I mean the whole of commerce as well as the whole of industry; by workers I mean all workers, the white collar class as well as the men in overalls; and by living wages I mean more than a bare subsistence level-I mean the wages of decent living.

I'm quite a generous tipper btw and yet I still think it's a horrible, horrible system overall for everyone involved except the employer who gets to skip out on paying his workers.

[Del Tachi]

I'm getting really annoyed at how common tips are becoming and how much people expect them at certain places.

The other night I ordered a pizza, drove to the store to pick it up myself, and I placed the order on their website so no one even had to talk to me on the phone.

I walk into the store, tell the cashier my name and that I'm there for pickup, and she goes and grabs the box and hands it to me, I say thanks and start to walk out, and then I hear some guy say "any tip?" and she says obnoxiously loud "Nope! Nothing!" and I'm sure it was planned so that I heard them say that.

Why exactly would I be expected to tip if I'm driving to the store myself?  If I'm going to pay an extra 20% I'll just have them deliver the pizza to my doorstep and at least place the order by phone so I don't have to put up with their buggy website.

Taking a pizza box off a shelf and walking 3 steps away to hand it to me is not a "service" and if I have to tip people to make a product that the companies sells, then where does it end?  Do I have to tip deli workers at a grocery store who cut my turkey slices?  Do I tip the front desk workers at the dentist for checking me in and out? 

If the workers at the business aren't being paid a living wage without tips then take that up with the business owners and management, don't guilt trip consumers about not giving tips.

/end rant.

Thank you for telling this story.

Why don’t we start forcing businesses to drop this nonsense?

Not tipping is how you force such a change.  It might be uncomfortable in certain instances, but eventually it would force employers to raise wages. 

[lfromnj]

I stand with FDR when it comes to 'tip-dependent' jobs or any other job,

It seems to me to be equally plain that no business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country. By "business" I mean the whole of commerce as well as the whole of industry; by workers I mean all workers, the white collar class as well as the men in overalls; and by living wages I mean more than a bare subsistence level-I mean the wages of decent living.

I'm quite a generous tipper btw and yet I still think it's a horrible, horrible system overall for everyone involved except the employer who gets to skip out on paying his workers.

No its not a terrible system for waiters. Its arguably even close to some form of workers owning some share of the means of production.

[nicholas.slaydon]

Absolutely, a minimum wage should be exactly that, the absolute minimum wage that anyone should be paid. Tips are meant to be a thank you for good service, not a supplement to a workers wages.

[Badger]

I'm getting really annoyed at how common tips are becoming and how much people expect them at certain places.

The other night I ordered a pizza, drove to the store to pick it up myself, and I placed the order on their website so no one even had to talk to me on the phone.

I walk into the store, tell the cashier my name and that I'm there for pickup, and she goes and grabs the box and hands it to me, I say thanks and start to walk out, and then I hear some guy say "any tip?" and she says obnoxiously loud "Nope! Nothing!" and I'm sure it was planned so that I heard them say that.

Why exactly would I be expected to tip if I'm driving to the store myself?  If I'm going to pay an extra 20% I'll just have them deliver the pizza to my doorstep and at least place the order by phone so I don't have to put up with their buggy website.

Taking a pizza box off a shelf and walking 3 steps away to hand it to me is not a "service" and if I have to tip people to make a product that the companies sells, then where does it end?  Do I have to tip deli workers at a grocery store who cut my turkey slices?  Do I tip the front desk workers at the dentist for checking me in and out? 

If the workers at the business aren't being paid a living wage without tips then take that up with the business owners and management, don't guilt trip consumers about not giving tips.

/end rant.

Thank you for telling this story.

Why don’t we start forcing businesses to drop this nonsense?

Not tipping is how you force such a change.  It might be uncomfortable in certain instances, but eventually it would force employers to raise wages. 

If that caught on, that would be a way of causing weight staff and their families to get evicted or go on food stamps until business owners finally, eventually, caught up to the trend. Terrible idea. Just raise the effing minimum wage

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

I'm getting really annoyed at how common tips are becoming and how much people expect them at certain places.

The other night I ordered a pizza, drove to the store to pick it up myself, and I placed the order on their website so no one even had to talk to me on the phone.

I walk into the store, tell the cashier my name and that I'm there for pickup, and she goes and grabs the box and hands it to me, I say thanks and start to walk out, and then I hear some guy say "any tip?" and she says obnoxiously loud "Nope! Nothing!" and I'm sure it was planned so that I heard them say that.

Why exactly would I be expected to tip if I'm driving to the store myself?  If I'm going to pay an extra 20% I'll just have them deliver the pizza to my doorstep and at least place the order by phone so I don't have to put up with their buggy website.

Taking a pizza box off a shelf and walking 3 steps away to hand it to me is not a "service" and if I have to tip people to make a product that the companies sells, then where does it end?  Do I have to tip deli workers at a grocery store who cut my turkey slices?  Do I tip the front desk workers at the dentist for checking me in and out? 

If the workers at the business aren't being paid a living wage without tips then take that up with the business owners and management, don't guilt trip consumers about not giving tips.

/end rant.

Thank you for telling this story.

Why don’t we start forcing businesses to drop this nonsense?

Not tipping is how you force such a change.  It might be uncomfortable in certain instances, but eventually it would force employers to raise wages. 

If that caught on, that would be a way of causing weight staff and their families to get evicted or go on food stamps until business owners finally, eventually, caught up to the trend. Terrible idea. Just raise the effing minimum wage

The minimum wage should have been hiked years ago.

[7,052,770]

I'm getting really annoyed at how common tips are becoming and how much people expect them at certain places.

The other night I ordered a pizza, drove to the store to pick it up myself, and I placed the order on their website so no one even had to talk to me on the phone.

I walk into the store, tell the cashier my name and that I'm there for pickup, and she goes and grabs the box and hands it to me, I say thanks and start to walk out, and then I hear some guy say "any tip?" and she says obnoxiously loud "Nope! Nothing!" and I'm sure it was planned so that I heard them say that.

Why exactly would I be expected to tip if I'm driving to the store myself?  If I'm going to pay an extra 20% I'll just have them deliver the pizza to my doorstep and at least place the order by phone so I don't have to put up with their buggy website.

Taking a pizza box off a shelf and walking 3 steps away to hand it to me is not a "service" and if I have to tip people to make a product that the companies sells, then where does it end?  Do I have to tip deli workers at a grocery store who cut my turkey slices?  Do I tip the front desk workers at the dentist for checking me in and out? 

If the workers at the business aren't being paid a living wage without tips then take that up with the business owners and management, don't guilt trip consumers about not giving tips.

/end rant.

Does that pizza place only pay its workers $2/hour and require them to get the rest from tips? If so, I think you probably should have left the tip even though it's kinda ridiculous.

It would definitely be better to ditch tipping culture altogether and just require a full minimum wage to all workers.

[lfromnj]

I'm getting really annoyed at how common tips are becoming and how much people expect them at certain places.

The other night I ordered a pizza, drove to the store to pick it up myself, and I placed the order on their website so no one even had to talk to me on the phone.

I walk into the store, tell the cashier my name and that I'm there for pickup, and she goes and grabs the box and hands it to me, I say thanks and start to walk out, and then I hear some guy say "any tip?" and she says obnoxiously loud "Nope! Nothing!" and I'm sure it was planned so that I heard them say that.

Why exactly would I be expected to tip if I'm driving to the store myself?  If I'm going to pay an extra 20% I'll just have them deliver the pizza to my doorstep and at least place the order by phone so I don't have to put up with their buggy website.

Taking a pizza box off a shelf and walking 3 steps away to hand it to me is not a "service" and if I have to tip people to make a product that the companies sells, then where does it end?  Do I have to tip deli workers at a grocery store who cut my turkey slices?  Do I tip the front desk workers at the dentist for checking me in and out?  

If the workers at the business aren't being paid a living wage without tips then take that up with the business owners and management, don't guilt trip consumers about not giving tips.

/end rant.

Thank you for telling this story.

Why don’t we start forcing businesses to drop this nonsense?

Not tipping is how you force such a change.  It might be uncomfortable in certain instances, but eventually it would force employers to raise wages.  

If that caught on, that would be a way of causing weight staff and their families to get evicted or go on food stamps until business owners finally, eventually, caught up to the trend. Terrible idea. Just raise the effing minimum wage

What happens then is waiters keep their tips and the good minimum wage. Oregon waiters can make more than some skilled trades hourly . There is no getting rid of tipping in American culture

[No War, but the War on Christmas]

I stand with FDR when it comes to 'tip-dependent' jobs or any other job,

It seems to me to be equally plain that no business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country. By "business" I mean the whole of commerce as well as the whole of industry; by workers I mean all workers, the white collar class as well as the men in overalls; and by living wages I mean more than a bare subsistence level-I mean the wages of decent living.

I'm quite a generous tipper btw and yet I still think it's a horrible, horrible system overall for everyone involved except the employer who gets to skip out on paying his workers.

No its not a terrible system for waiters. Its arguably even close to some form of workers owning some share of the means of production.

Lmao, have you ever worked as waiting staff? Certain shifts, in certain cities make decent money but the vast majority of wait staff do not make enough in tips to make-up for the hours and work at all. When I use to work at a pretty popular wing-bar here in DFW on certain weekend nights you'd walk away with $250-$300 cash, sure, but other week-days you'd literally break even sometimes or make $50-60 in an 8 hour shift. For most rural restaurant employee's I'd imagine that's the norm. And even worse is a lot of the time managers will use those coveted weekend and sports season shifts as leverage to dole out to the employee's they liked the most for whatever arbitrary reasons. No benefits, no steady income, 16+ hour shifts that are only partially paid (maybe for like 12, cause you're technically allowed to 'leave' between shifts but almost no one does cause there isn't a point), you have to file your own taxes.

It's a terrible system and needs to be done away with. The fact you're comparing it to 'owning the means of production' is the funniest thing I've possibly seen this year though, thank you!

[lfromnj]

I stand with FDR when it comes to 'tip-dependent' jobs or any other job,

It seems to me to be equally plain that no business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country. By "business" I mean the whole of commerce as well as the whole of industry; by workers I mean all workers, the white collar class as well as the men in overalls; and by living wages I mean more than a bare subsistence level-I mean the wages of decent living.

I'm quite a generous tipper btw and yet I still think it's a horrible, horrible system overall for everyone involved except the employer who gets to skip out on paying his workers.

No its not a terrible system for waiters. Its arguably even close to some form of workers owning some share of the means of production.

Lmao, have you ever worked as waiting staff? Certain shifts, in certain cities make decent money but the vast majority of wait staff do not make enough in tips to make-up for the hours and work at all. When I use to work at a pretty popular wing-bar here in DFW on certain weekend nights you'd walk away with $250-$300 cash, sure, but other week-days you'd literally break even sometimes or make $50-60 in an 8 hour shift. For most rural restaurant employee's I'd imagine that's the norm. And even worse is a lot of the time managers will use those coveted weekend and sports season shifts as leverage to dole out to the employee's they liked the most for whatever arbitrary reasons. No benefits, no steady income, 16+ hour shifts that are only partially paid (maybe for like 12, cause you're technically allowed to 'leave' between shifts but almost no one does cause there isn't a point), you have to file your own taxes.

It's a terrible system and needs to be done away with. The fact you're comparing it to 'owning the means of production' is the funniest thing I've possibly seen this year though, thank you!

Genuine question, what wage would you say waiters should be making if it was flat and tipping was not allowed?

I also don't see how it isn't comparable to owning some share of the means of production where the more a waiter manages to upsell the more money they get on average in tips.

[No War, but the War on Christmas]

I stand with FDR when it comes to 'tip-dependent' jobs or any other job,

It seems to me to be equally plain that no business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country. By "business" I mean the whole of commerce as well as the whole of industry; by workers I mean all workers, the white collar class as well as the men in overalls; and by living wages I mean more than a bare subsistence level-I mean the wages of decent living.

I'm quite a generous tipper btw and yet I still think it's a horrible, horrible system overall for everyone involved except the employer who gets to skip out on paying his workers.

No its not a terrible system for waiters. Its arguably even close to some form of workers owning some share of the means of production.

Lmao, have you ever worked as waiting staff? Certain shifts, in certain cities make decent money but the vast majority of wait staff do not make enough in tips to make-up for the hours and work at all. When I use to work at a pretty popular wing-bar here in DFW on certain weekend nights you'd walk away with $250-$300 cash, sure, but other week-days you'd literally break even sometimes or make $50-60 in an 8 hour shift. For most rural restaurant employee's I'd imagine that's the norm. And even worse is a lot of the time managers will use those coveted weekend and sports season shifts as leverage to dole out to the employee's they liked the most for whatever arbitrary reasons. No benefits, no steady income, 16+ hour shifts that are only partially paid (maybe for like 12, cause you're technically allowed to 'leave' between shifts but almost no one does cause there isn't a point), you have to file your own taxes.

It's a terrible system and needs to be done away with. The fact you're comparing it to 'owning the means of production' is the funniest thing I've possibly seen this year though, thank you!

Genuine question, what wage would you say waiters should be making if it was flat and tipping was not allowed?

Whatever the calculated living wage is in that area and ideally it would then be tied to inflation so we don't have the current situation where corporations start paying what would've been a living wage 15 years ago and treat that as generous compensation.

If you use a service and/or enjoy the labor of another human then that person deserves to earn a steady wage that guarantee's them a decent quality of living otherwise you're essentially saying 'I think this job should exist, but the person doing it doesn't deserve to actually get by'.

Of course there are many different opinions on how a 'living wage' should be implemented, on what scale, in what geographic region to take into account cost of living, etc.

[Badger]

I'm getting really annoyed at how common tips are becoming and how much people expect them at certain places.

The other night I ordered a pizza, drove to the store to pick it up myself, and I placed the order on their website so no one even had to talk to me on the phone.

I walk into the store, tell the cashier my name and that I'm there for pickup, and she goes and grabs the box and hands it to me, I say thanks and start to walk out, and then I hear some guy say "any tip?" and she says obnoxiously loud "Nope! Nothing!" and I'm sure it was planned so that I heard them say that.

Why exactly would I be expected to tip if I'm driving to the store myself?  If I'm going to pay an extra 20% I'll just have them deliver the pizza to my doorstep and at least place the order by phone so I don't have to put up with their buggy website.

Taking a pizza box off a shelf and walking 3 steps away to hand it to me is not a "service" and if I have to tip people to make a product that the companies sells, then where does it end?  Do I have to tip deli workers at a grocery store who cut my turkey slices?  Do I tip the front desk workers at the dentist for checking me in and out?  

If the workers at the business aren't being paid a living wage without tips then take that up with the business owners and management, don't guilt trip consumers about not giving tips.

/end rant.

Thank you for telling this story.

Why don’t we start forcing businesses to drop this nonsense?

Not tipping is how you force such a change.  It might be uncomfortable in certain instances, but eventually it would force employers to raise wages.  

If that caught on, that would be a way of causing weight staff and their families to get evicted or go on food stamps until business owners finally, eventually, caught up to the trend. Terrible idea. Just raise the effing minimum wage

What happens then is waiters keep their tips and the good minimum wage. Oregon waiters can make more than some skilled trades hourly . There is no getting rid of tipping in American culture

One would imagine they would stop swimming in personal debt, which conservatives to cry as some moral failing of modern america, and then use the extra income to buy a car, house, refrigerator, or other consumer goods which is the fundamental staple of our economy, raising wages and employment overall. Gads the horror.

[Nyvin]

I stand with FDR when it comes to 'tip-dependent' jobs or any other job,

It seems to me to be equally plain that no business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country. By "business" I mean the whole of commerce as well as the whole of industry; by workers I mean all workers, the white collar class as well as the men in overalls; and by living wages I mean more than a bare subsistence level-I mean the wages of decent living.

I'm quite a generous tipper btw and yet I still think it's a horrible, horrible system overall for everyone involved except the employer who gets to skip out on paying his workers.

No its not a terrible system for waiters. Its arguably even close to some form of workers owning some share of the means of production.

This reads like a piece that a right wing think tank would put out as propaganda against raising wages.   I'm sure given the choice almost all waiters would rather take the guaranteed living wage as opposed to "owning a share of the means of production" which in the end is just illusionary.