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« on: April 18, 2023, 04:08:33 PM »

In many protests around the world, from Mexico to Iran, police officers have been set on fire as an act of demonstration. Do you consider this a valid form of protest? Why or why not?
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« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2023, 04:24:30 PM »

No, it's not right to do so, it's wrong.

I am surprised it never happened here in 2020....
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« Reply #2 on: April 18, 2023, 05:49:55 PM »

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« Reply #3 on: April 18, 2023, 06:43:58 PM »

Since the OP brought up Iranian cops... if it helps in any way to bring down the regime: sure, kill 'em all. Some - I presume - are "nice" people, but let's not lose sight of the bigger picture here.  Same applies to North Korea etc. The Nazis weren't defeated by creating a chair circle and talk with Göring and Goebbels about their problems. They were defeated by killing their soldiers until they were willing to surrender unconditionally.

This is not applicable to democratic or semi-democratic countries though, including the aforementioned Mexico.
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« Reply #4 on: April 18, 2023, 06:58:51 PM »

Since the OP brought up Iranian cops... if it helps in any way to bring down the regime: sure, kill 'em all. Some - I presume - are "nice" people, but let's not lose sight of the bigger picture here.  Same applies to North Korea etc. The Nazis weren't defeated by creating a chair circle and talk with Göring and Goebbels about their problems. They were defeated by killing their soldiers until they were willing to surrender unconditionally.

This is not applicable to democratic or semi-democratic countries though, including the aforementioned Mexico.

The problem with this style of thinking is that it leads countries to anarchy, which is way worse than authoritarianism in a vast majority of cases. Syria is way worse now than it was in 2010, Somalia was way better in 1990 than in 1992, Yemen was way better 10 years ago then today, Libya was worse off a result of the overthrow of Gaddafi, etc. It’s only worth overthrowing dictatorships if a peaceful transition to democracy can occur as well, which isn’t always the case.
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« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2023, 02:30:00 PM »

not in a liberal democracy



It's required in lesser forms of govt.
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« Reply #6 on: April 19, 2023, 02:35:01 PM »

No, unless it's in effigy.  Wow!
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« Reply #7 on: April 20, 2023, 06:41:29 PM »

Since the OP brought up Iranian cops... if it helps in any way to bring down the regime: sure, kill 'em all. Some - I presume - are "nice" people, but let's not lose sight of the bigger picture here.  Same applies to North Korea etc. The Nazis weren't defeated by creating a chair circle and talk with Göring and Goebbels about their problems. They were defeated by killing their soldiers until they were willing to surrender unconditionally.

This is not applicable to democratic or semi-democratic countries though, including the aforementioned Mexico.

The problem with this style of thinking is that it leads countries to anarchy, which is way worse than authoritarianism in a vast majority of cases. Syria is way worse now than it was in 2010, Somalia was way better in 1990 than in 1992, Yemen was way better 10 years ago then today, Libya was worse off a result of the overthrow of Gaddafi, etc. It’s only worth overthrowing dictatorships if a peaceful transition to democracy can occur as well, which isn’t always the case.

Can you spare me your knee-jerk "case for authoritarianism", please?

Thanks, it's much appreciated.
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« Reply #8 on: April 20, 2023, 11:11:56 PM »

Since the OP brought up Iranian cops... if it helps in any way to bring down the regime: sure, kill 'em all. Some - I presume - are "nice" people, but let's not lose sight of the bigger picture here.  Same applies to North Korea etc. The Nazis weren't defeated by creating a chair circle and talk with Göring and Goebbels about their problems. They were defeated by killing their soldiers until they were willing to surrender unconditionally.

This is not applicable to democratic or semi-democratic countries though, including the aforementioned Mexico.

The problem with this style of thinking is that it leads countries to anarchy, which is way worse than authoritarianism in a vast majority of cases. Syria is way worse now than it was in 2010, Somalia was way better in 1990 than in 1992, Yemen was way better 10 years ago then today, Libya was worse off a result of the overthrow of Gaddafi, etc. It’s only worth overthrowing dictatorships if a peaceful transition to democracy can occur as well, which isn’t always the case.

Can you spare me your knee-jerk "case for authoritarianism", please?

Thanks, it's much appreciated.

It’s not a case for authoritarianism, it’s a case for stability. Impeccable understanding skills!
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