6 dead in shooting at Christian elementary school in Nashville

[Ferguson97]

Didn't we already know from the beginning that this was an anti-Christian hate crime? I'm pretty sure it was discussed here, like, that afternoon.

I guess the race angle wasn't known.

     Yeah, this is the big surprise for me. That the attack was anti-Christian is the most obvious thing in the world, but I don't think anyone predicted it would be anti-white too.

I mean, was it? The shooter was white.

[Reactionary Libertarian]

Didn't we already know from the beginning that this was an anti-Christian hate crime? I'm pretty sure it was discussed here, like, that afternoon.

I guess the race angle wasn't known.

     Yeah, this is the big surprise for me. That the attack was anti-Christian is the most obvious thing in the world, but I don't think anyone predicted it would be anti-white too.

It's like if a CRT woke person used 4chan language. Very bizarre. Regardless, she was clearly crazy and never should have been allowed near a gun but Republicans don't want to address this in any way.

If GOP was smart they would make a law that a diagnosis of gender dysphoria makes one ineligible for gun ownership. There have already been two trans identifying females who have committed mass shootings. Obviously the testosterone is destroying their brains.

[Aurelius2]

Didn't we already know from the beginning that this was an anti-Christian hate crime? I'm pretty sure it was discussed here, like, that afternoon.

I guess the race angle wasn't known.

     Yeah, this is the big surprise for me. That the attack was anti-Christian is the most obvious thing in the world, but I don't think anyone predicted it would be anti-white too.

It's like if a CRT woke person used 4chan language. Very bizarre. Regardless, she was clearly crazy and never should have been allowed near a gun but Republicans don't want to address this in any way.

If GOP was smart they would make a law that a diagnosis of gender dysphoria makes one ineligible for gun ownership. There have already been two trans identifying females who have committed mass shootings. Obviously the testosterone is destroying their brains.

Hell no. "Shall not be infringed". I have no interest in playing political games with core Constitutional rights.

[Reactionary Libertarian]

Didn't we already know from the beginning that this was an anti-Christian hate crime? I'm pretty sure it was discussed here, like, that afternoon.

I guess the race angle wasn't known.

     Yeah, this is the big surprise for me. That the attack was anti-Christian is the most obvious thing in the world, but I don't think anyone predicted it would be anti-white too.

It's like if a CRT woke person used 4chan language. Very bizarre. Regardless, she was clearly crazy and never should have been allowed near a gun but Republicans don't want to address this in any way.

If GOP was smart they would make a law that a diagnosis of gender dysphoria makes one ineligible for gun ownership. There have already been two trans identifying females who have committed mass shootings. Obviously the testosterone is destroying their brains.

Hell no. "Shall not be infringed". I have no interest in playing political games with core Constitutional rights.

Actually, stopping violent lunatics from owning firearms is good. In NYC gun control paired with stop-and-frisk was amazing at controlling violent crime. The point of the right to bear arms is to protect private property rights. Violent criminals and mentally ill leftists/socialists do not support property rights, so giving them access to firearms would actually undermine this fundamental right.

[Horus]

Didn't we already know from the beginning that this was an anti-Christian hate crime? I'm pretty sure it was discussed here, like, that afternoon.

I guess the race angle wasn't known.

     Yeah, this is the big surprise for me. That the attack was anti-Christian is the most obvious thing in the world, but I don't think anyone predicted it would be anti-white too.

It's like if a CRT woke person used 4chan language. Very bizarre. Regardless, she was clearly crazy and never should have been allowed near a gun but Republicans don't want to address this in any way.

If GOP was smart they would make a law that a diagnosis of gender dysphoria makes one ineligible for gun ownership. There have already been two trans identifying females who have committed mass shootings. Obviously the testosterone is destroying their brains.

Hell no. "Shall not be infringed". I have no interest in playing political games with core Constitutional rights.

Actually, stopping violent lunatics from owning firearms is good. In NYC gun control paired with stop-and-frisk was amazing at controlling violent crime. The point of the right to bear arms is to protect private property rights. Violent criminals and mentally ill leftists/socialists do not support property rights, so giving them access to firearms would actually undermine this fundamental right.

Aurelius is 100% right, though your view is how I'm guessing most Republicans and maybe some Dems like Gottheimer will approach guns in the future

They will respect and encourage gun ownership for "real Americans" while finding ways to discourage and or ban it for those with views they find undesirable.

[Reactionary Libertarian]

Didn't we already know from the beginning that this was an anti-Christian hate crime? I'm pretty sure it was discussed here, like, that afternoon.

I guess the race angle wasn't known.

     Yeah, this is the big surprise for me. That the attack was anti-Christian is the most obvious thing in the world, but I don't think anyone predicted it would be anti-white too.

It's like if a CRT woke person used 4chan language. Very bizarre. Regardless, she was clearly crazy and never should have been allowed near a gun but Republicans don't want to address this in any way.

If GOP was smart they would make a law that a diagnosis of gender dysphoria makes one ineligible for gun ownership. There have already been two trans identifying females who have committed mass shootings. Obviously the testosterone is destroying their brains.

Hell no. "Shall not be infringed". I have no interest in playing political games with core Constitutional rights.

Actually, stopping violent lunatics from owning firearms is good. In NYC gun control paired with stop-and-frisk was amazing at controlling violent crime. The point of the right to bear arms is to protect private property rights. Violent criminals and mentally ill leftists/socialists do not support property rights, so giving them access to firearms would actually undermine this fundamental right.

Aurelius is 100% right, though your view is how I'm guessing most Republicans and maybe some Dems like Gottheimer will approach guns in the future

They will respect and encourage gun ownership for "real Americans" while finding ways to discourage and or ban it for those with views they find undesirable.

Aurelius' view is left-wing. I do hope the GOP gets sane on guns and stops working with the far-left progressive prosecutor movement to get rid of "racist" gun laws. Unfortunately the GOP hates urban America and wants our cities to be crime-ridden hellholes. Why else would they support gun rights for urban criminals and the pro-life movement?

[Horus]

Didn't we already know from the beginning that this was an anti-Christian hate crime? I'm pretty sure it was discussed here, like, that afternoon.

I guess the race angle wasn't known.

     Yeah, this is the big surprise for me. That the attack was anti-Christian is the most obvious thing in the world, but I don't think anyone predicted it would be anti-white too.

It's like if a CRT woke person used 4chan language. Very bizarre. Regardless, she was clearly crazy and never should have been allowed near a gun but Republicans don't want to address this in any way.

If GOP was smart they would make a law that a diagnosis of gender dysphoria makes one ineligible for gun ownership. There have already been two trans identifying females who have committed mass shootings. Obviously the testosterone is destroying their brains.

Hell no. "Shall not be infringed". I have no interest in playing political games with core Constitutional rights.

Actually, stopping violent lunatics from owning firearms is good. In NYC gun control paired with stop-and-frisk was amazing at controlling violent crime. The point of the right to bear arms is to protect private property rights. Violent criminals and mentally ill leftists/socialists do not support property rights, so giving them access to firearms would actually undermine this fundamental right.

Aurelius is 100% right, though your view is how I'm guessing most Republicans and maybe some Dems like Gottheimer will approach guns in the future

They will respect and encourage gun ownership for "real Americans" while finding ways to discourage and or ban it for those with views they find undesirable.

Aurelius' view is left-wing. I do hope the GOP gets sane on guns and stops working with the far-left progressive prosecutor movement to get rid of "racist" gun laws. Unfortunately the GOP hates urban America and wants our cities to be crime-ridden hellholes. Why else would they support gun rights for urban criminals and the pro-life movement?

Violent crime went way down this year. COVID was a blip. I live in the big city and things are pretty good here. You're being very dramatic.

https://www.economist.com/united-states/2023/08/09/murder-rates-are-falling-in-a-majority-of-american-cities

But yes, I agree that support for gun rights is left wing.

[Reactionary Libertarian]

Didn't we already know from the beginning that this was an anti-Christian hate crime? I'm pretty sure it was discussed here, like, that afternoon.

I guess the race angle wasn't known.

     Yeah, this is the big surprise for me. That the attack was anti-Christian is the most obvious thing in the world, but I don't think anyone predicted it would be anti-white too.

It's like if a CRT woke person used 4chan language. Very bizarre. Regardless, she was clearly crazy and never should have been allowed near a gun but Republicans don't want to address this in any way.

If GOP was smart they would make a law that a diagnosis of gender dysphoria makes one ineligible for gun ownership. There have already been two trans identifying females who have committed mass shootings. Obviously the testosterone is destroying their brains.

Hell no. "Shall not be infringed". I have no interest in playing political games with core Constitutional rights.

Actually, stopping violent lunatics from owning firearms is good. In NYC gun control paired with stop-and-frisk was amazing at controlling violent crime. The point of the right to bear arms is to protect private property rights. Violent criminals and mentally ill leftists/socialists do not support property rights, so giving them access to firearms would actually undermine this fundamental right.

Aurelius is 100% right, though your view is how I'm guessing most Republicans and maybe some Dems like Gottheimer will approach guns in the future

They will respect and encourage gun ownership for "real Americans" while finding ways to discourage and or ban it for those with views they find undesirable.

Aurelius' view is left-wing. I do hope the GOP gets sane on guns and stops working with the far-left progressive prosecutor movement to get rid of "racist" gun laws. Unfortunately the GOP hates urban America and wants our cities to be crime-ridden hellholes. Why else would they support gun rights for urban criminals and the pro-life movement?

Violent crime went way down this year. COVID was a blip. I live in the big city and things are pretty good here. You're being very dramatic.

https://www.economist.com/united-states/2023/08/09/murder-rates-are-falling-in-a-majority-of-american-cities

But yes, I agree that support for gun rights is left wing.

Violent crime rates in American cities are still a massive outlier in the world. I demand 1950's level crime rates in our cities. The fact that we tolerate massive levels of urban dysfunction is a policy choice. If they cared about America the GOP's number one priority would be solving this problem by any means necessary. Unfortunately they are actually making the problem worse.

[Horus]

Didn't we already know from the beginning that this was an anti-Christian hate crime? I'm pretty sure it was discussed here, like, that afternoon.

I guess the race angle wasn't known.

     Yeah, this is the big surprise for me. That the attack was anti-Christian is the most obvious thing in the world, but I don't think anyone predicted it would be anti-white too.

It's like if a CRT woke person used 4chan language. Very bizarre. Regardless, she was clearly crazy and never should have been allowed near a gun but Republicans don't want to address this in any way.

If GOP was smart they would make a law that a diagnosis of gender dysphoria makes one ineligible for gun ownership. There have already been two trans identifying females who have committed mass shootings. Obviously the testosterone is destroying their brains.

Hell no. "Shall not be infringed". I have no interest in playing political games with core Constitutional rights.

Actually, stopping violent lunatics from owning firearms is good. In NYC gun control paired with stop-and-frisk was amazing at controlling violent crime. The point of the right to bear arms is to protect private property rights. Violent criminals and mentally ill leftists/socialists do not support property rights, so giving them access to firearms would actually undermine this fundamental right.

Aurelius is 100% right, though your view is how I'm guessing most Republicans and maybe some Dems like Gottheimer will approach guns in the future

They will respect and encourage gun ownership for "real Americans" while finding ways to discourage and or ban it for those with views they find undesirable.

Aurelius' view is left-wing. I do hope the GOP gets sane on guns and stops working with the far-left progressive prosecutor movement to get rid of "racist" gun laws. Unfortunately the GOP hates urban America and wants our cities to be crime-ridden hellholes. Why else would they support gun rights for urban criminals and the pro-life movement?

Violent crime went way down this year. COVID was a blip. I live in the big city and things are pretty good here. You're being very dramatic.

https://www.economist.com/united-states/2023/08/09/murder-rates-are-falling-in-a-majority-of-american-cities

But yes, I agree that support for gun rights is left wing.

Violent crime rates in American cities are still a massive outlier in the world. I demand 1950's level crime rates in our cities. The fact that we tolerate massive levels of urban dysfunction is a policy choice. If they cared about America the GOP's number one priority would be solving this problem by any means necessary. Unfortunately they are actually making the problem worse.

Universal healthcare (including mental health) and a more generous welfare state are the two most sensible ways to decrease crime.

[Reactionary Libertarian]

Didn't we already know from the beginning that this was an anti-Christian hate crime? I'm pretty sure it was discussed here, like, that afternoon.

I guess the race angle wasn't known.

     Yeah, this is the big surprise for me. That the attack was anti-Christian is the most obvious thing in the world, but I don't think anyone predicted it would be anti-white too.

It's like if a CRT woke person used 4chan language. Very bizarre. Regardless, she was clearly crazy and never should have been allowed near a gun but Republicans don't want to address this in any way.

If GOP was smart they would make a law that a diagnosis of gender dysphoria makes one ineligible for gun ownership. There have already been two trans identifying females who have committed mass shootings. Obviously the testosterone is destroying their brains.

Hell no. "Shall not be infringed". I have no interest in playing political games with core Constitutional rights.

Actually, stopping violent lunatics from owning firearms is good. In NYC gun control paired with stop-and-frisk was amazing at controlling violent crime. The point of the right to bear arms is to protect private property rights. Violent criminals and mentally ill leftists/socialists do not support property rights, so giving them access to firearms would actually undermine this fundamental right.

Aurelius is 100% right, though your view is how I'm guessing most Republicans and maybe some Dems like Gottheimer will approach guns in the future

They will respect and encourage gun ownership for "real Americans" while finding ways to discourage and or ban it for those with views they find undesirable.

Aurelius' view is left-wing. I do hope the GOP gets sane on guns and stops working with the far-left progressive prosecutor movement to get rid of "racist" gun laws. Unfortunately the GOP hates urban America and wants our cities to be crime-ridden hellholes. Why else would they support gun rights for urban criminals and the pro-life movement?

Violent crime went way down this year. COVID was a blip. I live in the big city and things are pretty good here. You're being very dramatic.

https://www.economist.com/united-states/2023/08/09/murder-rates-are-falling-in-a-majority-of-american-cities

But yes, I agree that support for gun rights is left wing.

Violent crime rates in American cities are still a massive outlier in the world. I demand 1950's level crime rates in our cities. The fact that we tolerate massive levels of urban dysfunction is a policy choice. If they cared about America the GOP's number one priority would be solving this problem by any means necessary. Unfortunately they are actually making the problem worse.

Universal healthcare (including mental health) and a more generous welfare state are the two most sensible ways to decrease crime.

If by “mental health” you mean forced treatment and/or jail for mentally ill people causing social dysfunction, like homeless drug users, then yes. Other than that, no. The idea that poverty causes crime is a myth. The solution to crime in America is mass incarceration, overturning terrible pro-criminal SCOTUS decisions like Miranda, and bringing back strict enforcement of quality-of-life offenses, ESPECIALLY illegal handgun possession. Plus actually using the death penalty, like Singapore. The death penalty is the only known policy to have 0% recidivism rate, unlike prison time or “rehabilitation”.

[DaleCooper]

I'd rather have mass shootings every day than live in a sh-thole police state like Singapore. Libertarian my ass. Why are self-proclaimed "libertarians" almost always the most fringe, radical, extremist authoritarians in the room?

[Arizona Iced Tea]

Didn't we already know from the beginning that this was an anti-Christian hate crime? I'm pretty sure it was discussed here, like, that afternoon.

I guess the race angle wasn't known.

     Yeah, this is the big surprise for me. That the attack was anti-Christian is the most obvious thing in the world, but I don't think anyone predicted it would be anti-white too.

It's like if a CRT woke person used 4chan language. Very bizarre. Regardless, she was clearly crazy and never should have been allowed near a gun but Republicans don't want to address this in any way.

If GOP was smart they would make a law that a diagnosis of gender dysphoria makes one ineligible for gun ownership. There have already been two trans identifying females who have committed mass shootings. Obviously the testosterone is destroying their brains.

Trans people are still humans who deserve the same rights as me and you. And that includes the right to own firearms, potentially to protect themselves from folks who want to eradicate their existence.

[GM Team Member and Senator WB]

Didn't we already know from the beginning that this was an anti-Christian hate crime? I'm pretty sure it was discussed here, like, that afternoon.

I guess the race angle wasn't known.

     Yeah, this is the big surprise for me. That the attack was anti-Christian is the most obvious thing in the world, but I don't think anyone predicted it would be anti-white too.

It's like if a CRT woke person used 4chan language. Very bizarre. Regardless, she was clearly crazy and never should have been allowed near a gun but Republicans don't want to address this in any way.

If GOP was smart they would make a law that a diagnosis of gender dysphoria makes one ineligible for gun ownership. There have already been two trans identifying females who have committed mass shootings. Obviously the testosterone is destroying their brains.

Somehow you managed to find a position that pisses off the left and the right. Congratulations

[Associate Justice PiT]

Didn't we already know from the beginning that this was an anti-Christian hate crime? I'm pretty sure it was discussed here, like, that afternoon.

I guess the race angle wasn't known.

     Yeah, this is the big surprise for me. That the attack was anti-Christian is the most obvious thing in the world, but I don't think anyone predicted it would be anti-white too.

If it's anti-white, then is it also homophobic? She multiple times uses 'those little Fagg!ts' as well in the same breath. Honestly seems like we're trying to find meaning in, as with anyone who could commit a blood chilling act like this, a deeply disturbed monsters raved rantings.

Will be interesting to see if there's any more that comes out about this, but Crowder isn't exactly the "journalist" I would hope to handle this with integrity.

     It could be homophobic too (though I am more hesitant to call it such without evidence that the person was targeting gays, since I haven't heard of a connection to gays with that school and it is also a more generalized insult than "cracker"), which would make it a pretty bespoke hate crime. I do agree this person was clearly insane, but that does not mean the motivations are without significance here.

Didn't we already know from the beginning that this was an anti-Christian hate crime? I'm pretty sure it was discussed here, like, that afternoon.

I guess the race angle wasn't known.

     Yeah, this is the big surprise for me. That the attack was anti-Christian is the most obvious thing in the world, but I don't think anyone predicted it would be anti-white too.

I mean, was it? The shooter was white.

     People can be bigoted against a group they are a part of. It's definitely less usual than bigotry against a different group, but there are far more absurd things happening these days.

[Fuzzy Bear]

Didn't we already know from the beginning that this was an anti-Christian hate crime? I'm pretty sure it was discussed here, like, that afternoon.

I guess the race angle wasn't known.

     Yeah, this is the big surprise for me. That the attack was anti-Christian is the most obvious thing in the world, but I don't think anyone predicted it would be anti-white too.

It's like if a CRT woke person used 4chan language. Very bizarre. Regardless, she was clearly crazy and never should have been allowed near a gun but Republicans don't want to address this in any way.

If GOP was smart they would make a law that a diagnosis of gender dysphoria makes one ineligible for gun ownership. There have already been two trans identifying females who have committed mass shootings. Obviously the testosterone is destroying their brains.

Hell no. "Shall not be infringed". I have no interest in playing political games with core Constitutional rights.

Actually, stopping violent lunatics from owning firearms is good. In NYC gun control paired with stop-and-frisk was amazing at controlling violent crime. The point of the right to bear arms is to protect private property rights. Violent criminals and mentally ill leftists/socialists do not support property rights, so giving them access to firearms would actually undermine this fundamental right.

Aurelius is 100% right, though your view is how I'm guessing most Republicans and maybe some Dems like Gottheimer will approach guns in the future

They will respect and encourage gun ownership for "real Americans" while finding ways to discourage and or ban it for those with views they find undesirable.

Aurelius' view is left-wing. I do hope the GOP gets sane on guns and stops working with the far-left progressive prosecutor movement to get rid of "racist" gun laws. Unfortunately the GOP hates urban America and wants our cities to be crime-ridden hellholes. Why else would they support gun rights for urban criminals and the pro-life movement?

Violent crime went way down this year. COVID was a blip. I live in the big city and things are pretty good here. You're being very dramatic.

https://www.economist.com/united-states/2023/08/09/murder-rates-are-falling-in-a-majority-of-american-cities

But yes, I agree that support for gun rights is left wing.

Violent crime rates in American cities are still a massive outlier in the world. I demand 1950's level crime rates in our cities. The fact that we tolerate massive levels of urban dysfunction is a policy choice. If they cared about America the GOP's number one priority would be solving this problem by any means necessary. Unfortunately they are actually making the problem worse.

Universal healthcare (including mental health) and a more generous welfare state are the two most sensible ways to decrease crime.

That would assume that criminals are committing crimes solely for economic reasons, and not for behavioral reasons.  It also assumes that the people who would be provided mental health services would accept such services and work with the psychiatrist/therapist and remain compliant on prescribed meds.   

[TheReckoning]

I'd rather have mass shootings every day than live in a sh-thole police state like Singapore. Libertarian my ass. Why are self-proclaimed "libertarians" almost always the most fringe, radical, extremist authoritarians in the room?

Imagine caring about anything more than money

[DaleCooper]

I'd rather have mass shootings every day than live in a sh-thole police state like Singapore. Libertarian my ass. Why are self-proclaimed "libertarians" almost always the most fringe, radical, extremist authoritarians in the room?

Imagine carrying about anything more than money

Please don't respond to my posts, I'm not a fan.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Didn't we already know from the beginning that this was an anti-Christian hate crime? I'm pretty sure it was discussed here, like, that afternoon.

I guess the race angle wasn't known.

     Yeah, this is the big surprise for me. That the attack was anti-Christian is the most obvious thing in the world, but I don't think anyone predicted it would be anti-white too.

It's like if a CRT woke person used 4chan language. Very bizarre. Regardless, she was clearly crazy and never should have been allowed near a gun but Republicans don't want to address this in any way.

If GOP was smart they would make a law that a diagnosis of gender dysphoria makes one ineligible for gun ownership. There have already been two trans identifying females who have committed mass shootings. Obviously the testosterone is destroying their brains.

Hell no. "Shall not be infringed". I have no interest in playing political games with core Constitutional rights.

Actually, stopping violent lunatics from owning firearms is good. In NYC gun control paired with stop-and-frisk was amazing at controlling violent crime. The point of the right to bear arms is to protect private property rights. Violent criminals and mentally ill leftists/socialists do not support property rights, so giving them access to firearms would actually undermine this fundamental right.

Aurelius is 100% right, though your view is how I'm guessing most Republicans and maybe some Dems like Gottheimer will approach guns in the future

They will respect and encourage gun ownership for "real Americans" while finding ways to discourage and or ban it for those with views they find undesirable.

Aurelius' view is left-wing. I do hope the GOP gets sane on guns and stops working with the far-left progressive prosecutor movement to get rid of "racist" gun laws. Unfortunately the GOP hates urban America and wants our cities to be crime-ridden hellholes. Why else would they support gun rights for urban criminals and the pro-life movement?

Violent crime went way down this year. COVID was a blip. I live in the big city and things are pretty good here. You're being very dramatic.

https://www.economist.com/united-states/2023/08/09/murder-rates-are-falling-in-a-majority-of-american-cities

But yes, I agree that support for gun rights is left wing.

Violent crime rates in American cities are still a massive outlier in the world. I demand 1950's level crime rates in our cities. The fact that we tolerate massive levels of urban dysfunction is a policy choice. If they cared about America the GOP's number one priority would be solving this problem by any means necessary. Unfortunately they are actually making the problem worse.

Universal healthcare (including mental health) and a more generous welfare state are the two most sensible ways to decrease crime.

If by “mental health” you mean forced treatment and/or jail for mentally ill people causing social dysfunction, like homeless drug users, then yes. Other than that, no. The idea that poverty causes crime is a myth. The solution to crime in America is mass incarceration, overturning terrible pro-criminal SCOTUS decisions like Miranda, and bringing back strict enforcement of quality-of-life offenses, ESPECIALLY illegal handgun possession. Plus actually using the death penalty, like Singapore. The death penalty is the only known policy to have 0% recidivism rate, unlike prison time or “rehabilitation”.

You're not the real Judge Dredd and I'm pretty sure impersonating him is a death penalty offense itself.

[Ferguson97]

Actually, stopping violent lunatics from owning firearms is good. In NYC gun control paired with stop-and-frisk was amazing at controlling violent crime. The point of the right to bear arms is to protect private property rights. Violent criminals and mentally ill leftists/socialists do not support property rights, so giving them access to firearms would actually undermine this fundamental right.

Having gender dysphoria is not, in and of itself, sufficient to take away someone's right to own a gun. This is lunacy.

[Aurelius2]

I'd rather have mass shootings every day than live in a sh-thole police state like Singapore. Libertarian my ass. Why are self-proclaimed "libertarians" almost always the most fringe, radical, extremist authoritarians in the room?

Imagine caring about anything more than money

Thanks for being straightforward and honest about the fact you worship Mammon.

[Fuzzy Bear]

I'd rather have mass shootings every day than live in a sh-thole police state like Singapore. Libertarian my ass. Why are self-proclaimed "libertarians" almost always the most fringe, radical, extremist authoritarians in the room?

Because they hate Government more than they love America.

[DaleCooper]

I'd rather have mass shootings every day than live in a sh-thole police state like Singapore. Libertarian my ass. Why are self-proclaimed "libertarians" almost always the most fringe, radical, extremist authoritarians in the room?

Because they hate Government more than they love America.

They don't seem to hate the government since they're always advocating for more government power over our lives.