NY: Convicted Felon Donald Trump!

[Holmes]

Who cares what Romney says? Does he have access to all the facts, findings and evidence in this case? If he doesn’t then his opinion on the matter is useless.

[GeorgiaModerate]

https://twitter.com/BradMossEsq/status/1643352631635505153
https://twitter.com/BradMossEsq/status/1643352634730983425

[LBJer]

The whole presumed innocent mantra is just a formality. It doesn't mean a person is actually not guilty.

Especially in a case where there’s such a clear and obvious evidence trail to establish guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

If you can't even get Mitt Romney to convict, you haven't got it:
https://twitter.com/peterbakernyt/status/1643355977557606401?cxt=HHwWgoCwncDjr84...

And of course politicians have no political agenda of their own.

The point is if even the strongest anti-Trump voices say No to conviction because they believe there is no evidence to convict, then the jury is unlikely be to persuaded to convict.

So the picture is that the D.A. choose to indict without having the evidence for probable conviction even with a Manhattan jury.

It's a fiasco, and I was opposed to such moves.

First of all, Romney's not a Manhattan jury.

Secondly, even Romney didn't say there was "no evidence to convict."  And going after people with an "agenda" isn't necessarily wrong--as i said before, Al Capone wouldn't have been targeted for tax evasion charges if that was all he had done.  

[OSR stands with Israel]

The whole presumed innocent mantra is just a formality. It doesn't mean a person is actually not guilty.

Especially in a case where there’s such a clear and obvious evidence trail to establish guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

If you can't even get Mitt Romney to convict, you haven't got it:
https://twitter.com/peterbakernyt/status/1643355977557606401?cxt=HHwWgoCwncDjr84...

And of course politicians have no political agenda of their own.

Bragg is also a politician

[Catholics vs. Convicts]

This is just going swimmingly.

[Damocles]

First of all, Romney's not a Manhattan jury.

Secondly, even Romney didn't say there was "no evidence to convict."  And going after people with an "agenda" isn't necessarily wrong--as i said before, Al Capone wouldn't have been targeted for tax evasion charges if that was all he had done.  

Looks like Al and Donnie should have gotten some help! They clearly didn’t read some very important things first before trying to cover up their financial cri-

[BG-NY]

What happened to "just wait until the indictment comes out, surely there's more to it than paying off porn stars guys"?

[LBJer]

What happened to "just wait until the indictment comes out, surely there's more to it than paying off porn stars guys"?

There IS more.

[Darthpi – Anti-Florida Activist]

As much as I'm enjoying Trump being charged today, I will just state for the record, I don't *really* care all that much about this case: Fulton County is the one that is going to matter the most in the end.

[oldtimer]

The whole presumed innocent mantra is just a formality. It doesn't mean a person is actually not guilty.

Especially in a case where there’s such a clear and obvious evidence trail to establish guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

If you can't even get Mitt Romney to convict, you haven't got it:
https://twitter.com/peterbakernyt/status/1643355977557606401?cxt=HHwWgoCwncDjr84...

And of course politicians have no political agenda of their own.

The point is if even the strongest anti-Trump voices say No to conviction because they believe there is no evidence to convict, then the jury is unlikely be to persuaded to convict.

So the picture is that the D.A. choose to indict without having the evidence for probable conviction even with a Manhattan jury.

It's a fiasco, and I was opposed to such moves.

First of all, Romney's not a Manhattan jury.

Secondly, even Romney didn't say there was "no evidence to convict."  And going after people with an "agenda" isn't necessarily wrong--as i said before, Al Capone wouldn't have been targeted for tax evasion charges if that was all he had done.  

Even if you get all in the Jury to be Biden voters, statistically if the more reliable Biden voters say "you don't have it", then the greater the chances at least 1 will vote Not Guilty.

You need unanimity to convict :

https://www.lawofficecameron.com/blog/2020/12/do-jury-verdicts-in-new-york-have-to-be-unanimous/

So it's unlikely you get a conviction right now.

[Damocles]

What happened to "just wait until the indictment comes out, surely there's more to it than paying off porn stars guys"?

Turns out a little ice floe on the water might actually be concealing a massive iceberg big enough to rip a gigantic gash in the hull of the world’s largest ocean liner and sink a boat previously thought and publicly advertised as unsinkable.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

They are playing games with the Fed probes J6 was supposed to happen before the Midterms and since Fed probes has to do with Hunter Biden Laptop they aren't getting to bottom of them that's why Ds don't think that Hunter did anything wrong he did Biden is a student of Bill Clinton he knows how to play the corrupt game not Al Gore

I am an Obama fan I was never a Biden or Clinton fan because of Lewinsky

[DrScholl]

"Trump won't be indicted" has gone to "the charges are weak". The fact that he showed up to court shows that this is more serious than some of you want to admit.

[BG-NY]

"Trump won't be indicted" has gone to "the charges are weak". The fact that he showed up to court shows that this is more serious than some of you want to admit.

The common denominator here is Bragg.

[emailking]

https://twitter.com/BradMossEsq/status/1643352631635505153
https://twitter.com/BradMossEsq/status/1643352634730983425

Also important to note, if he loses these likely challenges he cannot appeal them until after the trial. So he cannot delay things with appeals.

[oldtimer]

As much as I'm enjoying Trump being charged today, I will just state for the record, I don't *really* care all that much about this case: Fulton County is the one that is going to matter the most in the end.

Fulton is twice as republican as Manhattan.

Remember a single Trump voter on the Jury would probably sink it just as an all Biden Jury would probably convict.

If they can't convict him in Manhattan I doubt they will get a Jury more favourable.

[MillennialModerate]

This should NOT have been done period.

It IS flimsy at best. A plea deal is the best hope for the prosecutor.

Fulton County… different story. I think Trump is boxed in there

[LBJer]

The whole presumed innocent mantra is just a formality. It doesn't mean a person is actually not guilty.

Especially in a case where there’s such a clear and obvious evidence trail to establish guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

If you can't even get Mitt Romney to convict, you haven't got it:
https://twitter.com/peterbakernyt/status/1643355977557606401?cxt=HHwWgoCwncDjr84...

And of course politicians have no political agenda of their own.

The point is if even the strongest anti-Trump voices say No to conviction because they believe there is no evidence to convict, then the jury is unlikely be to persuaded to convict.

So the picture is that the D.A. choose to indict without having the evidence for probable conviction even with a Manhattan jury.

It's a fiasco, and I was opposed to such moves.

And who exactly are these "strongest anti-Trump voices"?

[Sestak]

The trial is going to be held in January. Pour one out for DeSantis.

[DrScholl]

"Trump won't be indicted" has gone to "the charges are weak". The fact that he showed up to court shows that this is more serious than some of you want to admit.

The common denominator here is Bragg.

A grand jury voted to indict. It wasn't solely up to the District Attorney.

As much as I'm enjoying Trump being charged today, I will just state for the record, I don't *really* care all that much about this case: Fulton County is the one that is going to matter the most in the end.

Fulton is twice as republican as Manhattan.

Remember a single Trump voter on the Jury would probably sink it just as an all Biden Jury would probably convict.

If they can't convict him in Manhattan I doubt they will get a Jury more favourable.

You're assuming that the juries will evaluate the case on politics and not the charges. Plus during the jury selection process there is thorough vetting for bias one way or another.

[BG-NY]

"Trump won't be indicted" has gone to "the charges are weak". The fact that he showed up to court shows that this is more serious than some of you want to admit.

The common denominator here is Bragg.

A grand jury voted to indict. It wasn't solely up to the District Attorney.

It takes 12/23 in the bluest area of the country bro.

I fully think Trump is guilty of paying off a porn star. Nobody denies that.

[Pouring Rain and Blairing Music]

Bragg's office has also released a "statement of facts" which is a little more illuminating on the nature of the accusations.  

A few interesting details:
- There's also mention of a doorman alleging Trump had an out-of-wedlock child who was almost paid off until the story was determined to be untrue.

So did Trump’s people (Cohen, I guess) think that this was likely to be true on a surface glance? Certainly says something about him.

[oldtimer]

"Trump won't be indicted" has gone to "the charges are weak". The fact that he showed up to court shows that this is more serious than some of you want to admit.

The D.A. can indict anyone he likes on anything he likes with a simple Grand Jury majority without necessary providing evidence.

But to convict you need all 12 in a Jury and enough evidence.

That was the risk: indictment for the sake of the indictment, without evidence to convict.

I was suspicious that was the case and it seems I was right.

[Progressive Pessimist]

It's really kind of vexing to me that so much of this was because of wanting to get ahead of a scandal that would have broke during the 2016 election. Would it even have mattered if the Stormy Daniels development came out during the 2016 campaign? Didn't Trump already get through numerous scandals unscathed? I forget if this would have been before the Access Hollywood video, but if he was able to survive that (which is still in the top five of worst things he has ever said which really should have ruined him) I don't see how he wouldn't have come out unharmed from a simple extramarital affair which was already so believable from a notorious misogynistic hedonist like him.

So it's possible that this was for nothing and may even be worse for Trump now, even if it seemed to be in Trump's interests in the short-term.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

"Trump won't be indicted" has gone to "the charges are weak". The fact that he showed up to court shows that this is more serious than some of you want to admit.

The common denominator here is Bragg.

A grand jury voted to indict. It wasn't solely up to the District Attorney.

It takes 12/23 in the bluest area of the country bro.

I fully think Trump is guilty of paying off a porn star. Nobody denies that.

And using the business he continued to run in violation of his Oath of Office to cover up how he lied to the American people in order to get elected President. I understand that's not the sort of thing Republicans give a damn about, but honest Americans do.