NY: Trump on Trial!

[BG-NY]

Might’ve been a fundraising ploy. Doesn’t seem this is happening.

[emailking]

Might’ve been a fundraising ploy. Doesn’t seem this is happening.

I wouldn't go that far yet.

[emailking]

NY grand jury investigating Trump will break for most of April, court source says

The Manhattan grand jury hearing the hush money case involving former President Donald Trump is currently scheduled to break after April 5 and restart later in the month, a court administration source told CNN.

It is not immediately clear whether the grand jury will hear the Trump case again before April 5.

If the grand jury does not hear the case again for several weeks, it will pause what had been a wave of anticipation that a former president could be indicted for the first time in American history. Trump himself incorrectly predicted he would be arrested last week amid news reports about security preparations being made in the event of an indictment.

Grand jury proceedings are secret and subject to change.

Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg’s investigation into Trump had appeared to be nearing a conclusion earlier this month after the former president was invited to testify before the grand jury.

Since then, two more witnesses have testified, including lawyer Robert Costello, who appeared on Trump’s behalf. On Monday, the grand jury heard testimony from David Pecker, the former chairman of the publisher of the National Enquirer who played a key role in the hush money payment.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/29/politics/trump-grand-jury-april-break/index.html

[Pres Mike]

Just as I suspect. Trump will never be arrested. He’ll never be charged. It’s been fantasy talk since 2016

[Hindsight was 2020]

Just as I suspect. Trump will never be arrested. He’ll never be charged. It’s been fantasy talk since 2016

Breaking until April is closing the case now?

[President Johnson]

This is so annoying and frustrating Trump has never paid a price other than losing reelection by a larger that should have been greater for any of his wrongdoings. I understand that investigations need to be run properly and thoroughly, but c'mon, this is turning into a circus. For how long is it known that he made these hush money payments? And what about January 6, where all his calls for violence are literally on video/tape?

[Redban]

This is so annoying and frustrating Trump has never paid a price other than losing reelection by a larger that should have been greater for any of his wrongdoings. I understand that investigations need to be run properly and thoroughly, but c'mon, this is turning into a circus. For how long is it known that he made these hush money payments? And what about January 6, where all his calls for violence are literally on video/tape?

Dang, relax brah. This you right now?

[Arizona Iced Tea]

The grand jury keeps getting more an more incompetent, yet an indictment is supposed to "hurt" him.

[emailking]

The grand jury keeps getting more an more incompetent, yet an indictment is supposed to "hurt" him.

No evidence this is their doing. It's possible they have a ton of questions or want to hear from more witnesses, but more likely Bragg hasn't asked them for an indictment yet.

[Ferguson97]

The grand jury keeps getting more an more incompetent, yet an indictment is supposed to "hurt" him.

What the hell are you even talking about? What "incompetence" are you referring to?

All that happened is Trump claimed, out of the blue, that he was going to be arrested, and then he wasn't.

[Badger]

The grand jury keeps getting more an more incompetent, yet an indictment is supposed to "hurt" him.

What the hell are you even talking about? What "incompetence" are you referring to?

All that happened is Trump claimed, out of the blue, that he was going to be arrested, and then he wasn't.

This times 10.

I'm going to tell you personally as a former full-time grand jury prosecutor. If a prosecutor asks a grand jury to indict a defendant on criminal charges a b and c, they will literally more than 99% of the time get the indictment they ask for.  Now, maybe this might be an exception because it is such an incredibly complex and high profile case, but I will surely bet you the only reason there is no indictment issued at this time is because Bragg hasn't asked for one.

So the only way Trump isn't getting indicted is if Bragg decides not to request one. Anyone want to bet the over / under on that?

[Darthpi – Anti-Florida Activist]

Trump spent all this time hyping up the New York case and it's probably more likely at this point that Fulton County indicts first.

[Torie]

The grand jury keeps getting more an more incompetent, yet an indictment is supposed to "hurt" him.

What the hell are you even talking about? What "incompetence" are you referring to?

All that happened is Trump claimed, out of the blue, that he was going to be arrested, and then he wasn't.

This times 10.

I'm going to tell you personally as a former full-time grand jury prosecutor. If a prosecutor asks a grand jury to indict a defendant on criminal charges a b and c, they will literally more than 99% of the time get the indictment they ask for.  Now, maybe this might be an exception because it is such an incredibly complex and high profile case, but I will surely bet you the only reason there is no indictment issued at this time is because Bragg hasn't asked for one.

So the only way Trump isn't getting indicted is if Bragg decides not to request one. Anyone want to bet the over / under on that?

Actually on the grand jury I was on, we refused to indict except on drug possession, but not aggravated assault and battery. I told the DA whom I coincidentally had interned with not long before, what a cf it was, and he agreed with me. It's lonely at the top. 

It is hard to separate Bragg from the grand jury. If Bragg gets vibes that the grand jury is restless, he might step back. But of course his major motivation is to avoid an indictment where the prosecution thereafter fails. hat would be an utter disaster as I am sure Bragg appreciates.

Personally, I think the case sucks as a legal matter, and from what I know at present would reverse any conviction on appeal if on the appeals court. Granted there are things that the DA might know that the press does not know.

The Trump antics have less impact than a fart in a windstorm. No question about that. His circus act has a rather limited appeal.

[GeorgiaModerate]

It's also possible (although I think unlikely since we know they were still hearing witnesses recently) that the grand jury has already voted and there's a sealed indictment waiting to be unveiled at a time of the DA's choosing.

[Pres Mike]

Just as I suspect. Trump will never be arrested. He’ll never be charged. It’s been fantasy talk since 2016

Breaking until April is closing the case now?

Techincally, no. I personally suspect the whole "Trump will be arrested Tuesday" will end up a nothing burger.

[Pres Mike]

As nice as it would be to see Trump in handcuffs, the hush money payments probably won't hold up in appeals court. Or the court of public opinion. The Fulton County case is both legally sound and good public relations wise.

[Progressive Pessimist]

As nice as it would be to see Trump in handcuffs, the hush money payments probably won't hold up in appeals court. Or the court of public opinion. The Fulton County case is both legally sound and good public relations wise.

The court of public opinion will probably not care outside of his base and biggest detractors.

[Pres Mike]

As nice as it would be to see Trump in handcuffs, the hush money payments probably won't hold up in appeals court. Or the court of public opinion. The Fulton County case is both legally sound and good public relations wise.

The court of public opinion will probably not care outside of his base and biggest detractors.

So basically, nothing stopping 45-47% of the country voting for him again in 2024 as if nothing happened. Sounds right

[Ferguson97]

Just as I suspect. Trump will never be arrested. He’ll never be charged. It’s been fantasy talk since 2016

Breaking until April is closing the case now?

Techincally, no. I personally suspect the whole "Trump will be arrested Tuesday" will end up a nothing burger.

You know what, I have to agree with you there. Donald Trump will not be arrested last Tuesday.

[Pres Mike]

Just as I suspect. Trump will never be arrested. He’ll never be charged. It’s been fantasy talk since 2016

Breaking until April is closing the case now?

Techincally, no. I personally suspect the whole "Trump will be arrested Tuesday" will end up a nothing burger.

You know what, I have to agree with you there. Donald Trump will not be arrested last Tuesday.

I meant this whole story will be a nothing burger. How many "the walls are closing in" stories have we gotten since 2016?

[emailking]

Logically that's not an argument though for nothing happening here.

[emailking]

Allen Weisselberg just fired his Trump-funded lawyers — is he about to flip?
Sources are telling WNBC that Allen Weisselberg, the former CFO of the Trump Organization, has fired his Trump Org lawyers.

Weisselberg is not the first one to do something like this. Michael Cohen did it just before he flipped on Trump. Cassidy Hutchinson had a Trump-funded lawyer before she fired him and got another lawyer so she could tell the Jan. 6 investigatory committee the truth about what she learned working for former chief of staff Mark Meadows. Each time a Trump-funded lawyer was fired, it has been an indication that those previous allies were about to turn.

Weisselberg is serving a five-month sentence in Rikers Island Prison, known for being one of the most violent prisons in America. MSNBC's Ali Velshi noted that if someone was trying to get Weisselberg to flip, now would be the time. Last month, the New York Times reported that the Manhattan prosecutor's office was pondering whether to file new charges against Weisselberg for fraud.

Nick Gravante and Mary Mulligan are no longer with Weisselberg.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/allen-weisselberg-just-fired-his-trump-funded-lawyers-is-he-about-to-flip/ar-AA19eYfv

[GeorgiaModerate]

Manhattan DA is asking about hush money paid to a former Playboy model as part of the grand jury investigation into Donald Trump

Hmm...perhaps the investigation is wider than originally thought.

[Eraserhead]

Trump will be dead by the time they're ready to indict him for anything.

[emailking]

NYPD has been ramping up security again today. It is believed to be precautionary. The GJ met today but were not expected to hear this case. They still meet Mon & Wed.