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« Reply #1425 on: May 05, 2014, 09:29:06 PM »

44. Barack Obama (D-IL) 2009-17
45. Hillary Clinton  (D-NY) 2017-25
46. Arlene Hunt (R-LA) 2025-29*
47. Katherine Snyder (D-DE) 2029-33*
48. John Bolling (R-VA) 2033-37*
49. Ann Edwards (D-TX) 2037-45*
50. Charles Howell (D-OH) 2045-53*
51. Gregory James (R-IL) 2053-61*
52. Adrian Wolf (D-IL) 2061-69*
53. Amanda Talbott (D-PA) 2069-73*
54. Robert Calabrese (United Socialist Party-IN) 2073-81*
55. Paul Brown (USP-AR) 2081-89*
56. Richard Dunne (USP-TN) 2089-93*
57. Charlene Carter (D-GA) 2093-2101*
58. William Jacobson (USP-OH) 2101-2109*
59. Andrew Pollack (United American-KS) 2109-2117*
60. Virginia Jacobson (USP-OH) 2117-2121*
61. Melissa Weatherford (UA-IL) 2121-2129*
62. Michael Adams (UA-NY) 2129-2133*
63. James Ashworth (USP-IN) 2133-2141*
64. John Norris (UA-TX) 2141-2149*
65. Linda Harrison (USP-VA) 2149-*

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« Reply #1426 on: May 06, 2014, 09:03:09 PM »

The days are Cold

1945-1945: Franklin Delano Roosevelt**/Henry Wallace (Democrat)
1945-1949: Henry Wallace/Harry Truman (Democrat)

1949-1953: Robert Taft/Douglas MaCarthur (Republican)
1953-1961: Orson Welles/Wayne Morse (Independent)
1961-1965: Joseph McCarthy/John Stennis (Republican)
1965-1967: Joseph McCarthy**/John Stennis (Freedom)
1967-1969: John Stennis/George Wallace (Freedom)

1969-1970: Dean Rusk*/George McGovern (Democrat)
1970-1973: George McGovern/Shirley Chisholm (Democrat)
1973-1977: Eldridge Cleaver/Pat Brown (Reform)
1977-1982: John Ashbrook*/Ronald Reagen* (Freedom)
1982-1984: Strom Thurmond/Jesse Helms (Freedom)

1984: American Revolution Part Two, the United States splits in two between the United Socialist States (USS) and the Free States of America (FSA)

Chairmen of the USS
1985-1988: Jane Fonda (Labor)
1988-2014: Lyndon LaRouche (Labor)
2014-???: Lyndon LaRouche (Order)

Presidents of the FSA
1985-1992: Bruce Palmer (Conservative)
1993-2000: Jeff Bridges (Reform)
2000-2001: Tommy Franks (Conservative)
2001-???: Trent Lott (State's Rights)

*: Assassinated
**: Died in Office

How did the states get split up?
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« Reply #1427 on: May 12, 2014, 08:59:06 PM »

Dynasties:
Hillary Clinton/Mark Warner 2017-2021
Jeb Bush/Scott Walker 2021-2029
Joseph P. Kennedy III/Kamala Harris 2029-2037
George P. Bush/Mia Love 2037-2045
Malia Obama/Chelsea Clinton 2045-2053
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« Reply #1428 on: May 15, 2014, 05:02:13 PM »

45. Hillary Clinton: 2017-2021 *
46. Chris Christie: 2021-2029
47. Marco Rubio: 2029-2033 **
48. Julian Castro: 2033-2041
49. Republican: 2041-2049

* Chose not to seek reelection
** Defeated for reelection
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« Reply #1429 on: May 17, 2014, 05:36:13 PM »

Sen. Albert Gore Jr. (D-TN)/Gov. Robert Kerrey (D-NE) 1993-1997
Sen. Richard Lugar (R-IN)/Sen. Michael Steele (R-MD) 1997-2005
Gov. Jeanne Shaheen (D-NH)/Sen. Bill Nelson (D-FL) 2005-2009
Fmr. VP. Michael Steele (R-MD)/Gov. Jon Huntsman (R-UT) 2009-2017
Sen. Mitch Daniels (R-IN)*/Gov. Nikki Haley (R-SC) 2017-2025
Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY)/Gov. Gavin Newsom (D-CA) 2025-2033

*Mitch Daniels was appointed to fill Richard Lugar's senate seat, after his term was up, he ran for governor (2000). He won, and was elected in 2004. In 2010, he ran again for senate, winning against his opponent Brad Ellsworth 58-42. In 2016, Jon Huntsman declined to run for president, making it an open race. Mitch Daniels declared his intentions, and was one of the front runners along with Senator Rand Paul and Governor Mike Huckabee. Mitch Daniels was able to sure up the Republican nomination after a long primary battle, but both Paul and Huckabee endorsed him in the end.
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« Reply #1430 on: May 22, 2014, 10:14:35 AM »

35. John F. Kennedy: 1961-1969
36. George Romney: 1969-1977
37. Henry Scoop Jackson: 1977-1981
38. Ronald Reagan: 1981-1989
39. Michael Dukakis: 1989-1993
40. Robert Dole: 1993-2001
41. William Bradley: 2001-2009
42. John McCain: 2009-2013
43. Kay Bailey Hutchison: 2013-2017
44. Cory Booker: 2017-2025
45. Julian Castro: 2025-2029
46. Aaron Schock: 2029-2037
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« Reply #1431 on: May 25, 2014, 02:21:28 PM »

The Black and Tan

19. Benjamin H. Bristow (Republican-Kentucky)/Rutherford B. Hayes (Republican-Ohio) March 4th, 1877-March 4th, 1881
20. Samuel J. Tilden (Democrat-New York)/Winfield Scott Hancock (Democrat-Pennsylvania), Richard M. Bishop (Democrat-Ohio) December 7th, 1882-August 4th, 1886
21. Richard M. Bishop (Democrat-Ohio)/vacant August 4th, 1886-March 4th, 1889

22. Russell A. Alger (Republican-Michigan)/Alvin Hawkins (Republican-Tennessee) March 4th, 1889-March 4th, 1893
23. William Freeman Villas (Democrat-Wisconsin)/S. Grover Cleveland (Democrat-New York), Leon Abbett (Democrat-New Jersey) March 4th, 1893-March 4th, 1901
24. George Henry White (Republican-North Carolina)/Joseph B. Foraker (Republican-Ohio) March 4th, 1901-September 14th, 1901
25. Joseph B. Foraker (Republican-Ohio)/vacant, Theodore Roosevelt (Republican-New York) September 14th, 1901-March 4th, 1909

26. Hugh J. Grant (Democrat-New York)/Charles W. Bryan (Democrat-Nebraska) March 4th, 1909-November 3rd, 1910
27. Charles W. Bryan (Democrat-Nebraska)/vacant November 3rd, 1910-March 4th, 1913

28. Theodore Roosevelt (Republican-New York)/Walter L. Cohen (Republican-Louisiana) March 4th, 1913-October 17th, 1916
29. Walter L. Cohen (Republican-Louisiana) October 17th, 1916-March 4th, 1921

30. Alfred E. Smith (Democrat-New York) March 4th, 1921-March 4th, 1933
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« Reply #1432 on: May 27, 2014, 08:49:03 AM »
« Edited: May 27, 2014, 09:26:29 AM by Oldiesfreak1854 »

37. Richard M. Nixon (R-NY)/Spiro T. Agnew (R-MD)*: 1/20/1969-10/10/1973
Richard M. Nixon (R-NY)*/Gerald R. Ford (R-MI): 12/6/1973-8/9/1974
38. Gerald R. Ford (R-MI)**/Nelson Rockefeller (R-NY): 8/9/1974-1/20/1977

39. Jimmy Carter (D-GA)**/Walter Mondale (D-MN)**: 1/20/1977/1/20/1981
40. John Anderson (R-IL)/Ronald Reagan (R-CA): 1/20/1981-1/20/1989
41. George H.W. Bush (R-TX)/Pete DuPont (D-DE):1/20/1989-1/20/1997

42. Al Gore (D-TN)/Paul Simon (D-IL): 1/20/1997-1/20/2005
43. Jack Kemp (R-NY)^/Phil Gramm (R-TX): 1/20/2005-5/2/2009
44. Phil Gramm (R-TX)**/John McCain (R-AZ)**: 5/2/2009-1/20/2013

45. Joe Biden (D-DE)**/Tom Daschle (D-SD)**: 1/20/2013-1/20/2017
46. Jeb Bush (R-FL)/John Barrasso (R-WY): 1/20/2017-1/20/2025

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« Reply #1433 on: May 30, 2014, 12:14:56 AM »

Sen. John Kerry (D-MA)/Sen. John Edwards (D-NC) 2005-2009
Fmr. Pres. George W. Bush (R-TX)/Fmr. Sec. Colin Powell (R-NY) 2009-2013
Gov. Mitch Daniels (R-IN)/Sen. Mike Lee (R-UT) 2013-2021
Gov. Kamela Harris (D-CA)/Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) 2021-2025
Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY)/Gov. Mia Love (R-UT) 2025-2033
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« Reply #1434 on: May 30, 2014, 10:27:43 PM »

Gov. Bill Clinton (D-AR)/Sen. Al Gore (R-TN) 1993-1997
Fmr. Pres. George HW Bush (R-TX)/Gov. Pete Wilson (R-CA) 1997-2001
VP. Pete Wilson (R-CA)/Fmr. Gov. John McKernan (R-ME) 2001-2005
Fmr. VP. Al Gore (D-TN)/Sen. John Kerry (D-MA) 2005-2009
Fmr. VP. John McKernan (R-ME)/Gov. George W. Bush (R-TX) 2009-2017
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« Reply #1435 on: June 10, 2014, 01:33:36 PM »
« Edited: June 10, 2014, 01:47:14 PM by Senator TNF »

No 9/11 + Housing bubble bursts in 2002 rather than 2007

Presidents of the United States of America:
43. George W. Bush (R-TX) 2001-2005
44. Hillary R. Clinton (D-NY) 2005-2013
45. Dick DeVos (R-MI) 2013-

Vice Presidents of the United States of America:
46. Richard B. "Dick" Cheney (R-WY) 2001-2005
47. John R. Edwards (D-NC) 2005-2013
48. Samuel D. "Sam" Brownback (R-KS) 2013-

Speakers of the United States House of Representatives:
59. Dennis Hastert (R-IL) 1999-2003
60. Dick Gephardt (D-MO) 2003-2007
61. Roy Blunt (R-MO) 2007-

United States Senate Majority Leaders:
Tom Daschle (D-SD) 2001-2011
Mitch McConnell (R-KY) 2011-

Members of the United States Supreme Court
Stephen Breyer (appointed by Pres. Bill Clinton in 1994) Chief Justice
Antonin Scalia (appointed by Pres. Ronald Reagan in 1986)
Anthony Kennedy (appointed by Pres. Ronald Reagan in 1988)
Clarence Thomas (appointed by Pres. George H.W. Bush in 1991)
Stephen Carter (appointed by Pres. Hillary Clinton in 2005)
Michael J. Sandel (appointed by Pres. Hillary Clinton in 2006)
Robert Katzmann (appointed by Pres. Hillary Clinton in 2006)
Denny Chin (appointed by Pres. Hillary Clinton in 2008)
Sonia Sotomayor (appointed by Pres. Hillary Clinton in 2012)

Defeated Presidential Tickets, 2004-2012
2004: Pres. George W. Bush (R-TX) / Vice Pres. Richard B. "Dick" Cheney (R-WY)
2008: Fmr. Gov. Bill Owens (R-CO) / Fmr. Rep. John Kasich (R-OH)
2012: Fmr. Sec. of State Joe Biden (D-DE) / Sen. Paul Wellstone (D-MN)
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« Reply #1436 on: June 12, 2014, 07:30:15 PM »

44. Hillary Rodham Clinton: 2005-2009
45. George Allen: 2009-2013
46. Hillary Rodham Clinton: 2013-2017
47. Mark Warner: 2017-2021

48. Jon Huntsman: 2021-2029
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« Reply #1437 on: June 13, 2014, 11:48:04 AM »

Differs from OTL after 1896

#25: William Jennings Bryan (D-NE) / Arthur Sewall (D-ME): 1897 - 1905
The Progressive wings of both parties join in 1903 to form the People's Union. The big tent leftist party is joined by the President and the Vice President, and recieves support especially in the Midwest and West.
#26: William Joel Stone (P-MO) / William Howard Taft (P-OH): 1905 - 1909
#27: William Howard Taft (P-OH) / John Worth Kern (P-IN)*: 1909 - 1917
Conservative and pro-business forces throughout the country join together to form the American Union. The party draws equal support from conservative Democrats and Republicans, which fade into irrelevance.
#28: Alton Brooks Parker (A-NY) / John Sharp Williams (A-MS): 1917 - 1921
The Parker administration enters the ongoing European war on the side of Britain, France and Russia, to the dissatisfaction of many Progressives.
#29: Robert Marion LaFollette (P-WI)* / James Middleton Cox (P-OH): 1921 - 1925
#30: James Middleton Cox (P-OH) / Franklin Delano Roosevelt (P-NJ): 1925 - 1929
#31: Franklin Delano Roosevelt (P-NJ) / Henry Agard Wallace (P-IA): 1929 - 1937
When a great depression strikes the country in 1929, President Roosevelt soon takes succesfull measures to combat recession and unemployment.
#32: Henry Agard Wallace (P-IA) / Alf Landon (P-KS): 1937 - 1941
After nearly twenty years of People's Union presidency and unsuccesful elections, the American Union morphes into the Conservative Party in 1938. In the same time, the People's Union splits over the issue of war involvement in Europe, into the center-left, isolationist New Democratic Party, named after the old isolationist Democrats of Bryan, backed by the President; and the centrist, interventionist Liberal Party backed by the Vice President. 
#33: Robert Taft (C-OH) / John Jason Sparkman (C-AL): 1941 - 1949

The 1940 Election:



Senator Robert Taft (C-OH) / Senator John Sparkman (C-AL): 376 EV's
Vice President Alf Landon (L-KS) / Senator Harry Truman (L-MO): 95 EV's
President Henry Wallace (ND-IA) / Governor Earl Warren (ND-CA): 60 EV's

To be continued...
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« Reply #1438 on: June 13, 2014, 12:28:40 PM »

George H.W. Bush (R-TX)/Dan Quayle (R-IN) 1989-1997
Dan Quayle (R-IN)/Lamar Alexander (R-TN) 1997-2001
Bill Clinton (D-AR)/Paul Wellstone (D-MN) 2001-2009
Alan Keyes (R-MD)/Fred Thompson (R-TN) 2009-2017
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« Reply #1439 on: June 16, 2014, 06:05:25 PM »

The Dead Rockefellers and that Bastard Jack Kennedy

35. Nelson A. Rockefeller (R-NY)/Charles A. Halleck (R-IN) January 20th, 1961-September 11th, 1963
36. Charles A. Halleck (R-IN)/vacant, Margaret Chase Smith (R-ME) September 11th, 1963-January 20th, 1969
37. John F. Kennedy (D-MA)/Thomas Eagleton (D-MO), vacant, Robert Byrd (D-WV) January 20th, 1969-March 3rd, 1974
38. Robert Byrd (D-WV)/vacant, Hubert H. Humphrey (D-MN) March 3rd, 1974-January 20th, 1977
Robert Taft, Jr. (R-OH)/Paul Laxalt (R-NV) January 20th, 1977-January 20th, 1981

What I've got so far.
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« Reply #1440 on: June 17, 2014, 10:20:37 PM »

35. John F. Kennedy: 1961-1969
36. George Romney: 1969-1977
37. Ronald Reagan: 1977-1981

38. Robert F. Kennedy: 1981-1985
38. Ronald Reagan: 1985-1989
39. Robert Dole: 1989-1997
40. Robert Kerrey: 1997-2001
41. Colin Powell: 2001-2009
42. Willard Mitt Romney: 2009-2013

43. Hillary Rodham: 2013--

Defeated Tickets:

1964: Nelson Rockefeller/Barry Goldwater: 370-168 (55.4% - 44.3%)
1968: Lyndon Johnson/Hubert Humphrey: 273-201-64 (42.1% - 41.6% - 15.3%)
1972: George McGovern/Tom Eagleton: 535-3 (61.9% - 36.7%)
1976: Henry Scoop Jackson/Walter Mondale: 409-129 (58.8% - 40.1%)

1980: Ronald Reagan/Richard Schweiker: 281-256 (50.1% - 49.4%)
1984: Robert F. Kennedy/Jimmy Carter: 428-110 (56.7% - 42.5%)
1988: Jimmy Carter/Lloyd Bentsen: 362-176 (52.4% - 46.3%)
1992: Albert Gore/William Jefferson Clinton: 431-107 (55.7% - 44.0%)

1996: William Weld/Jack Kemp: 306-232 (51.4% - 47.0%)
2000: Robert Kerrey/John Kerry: 375-163 (53.0% - 45.3%)
2004: Joseph Biden/John Edwards: 525-13 (60.1% - 38.0%)
2008: Mario Cuomo/Hillary Rodham: 272-266 (49.5% - 49.4%)

2012: Willard Mitt Romney/Tim Pawlenty: 274-264 (49.7% - 48.9%)
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« Reply #1441 on: June 18, 2014, 07:30:46 AM »

The Dead Rockefellers and that Bastard Jack Kennedy

35. Nelson A. Rockefeller (R-NY)/Charles A. Halleck (R-IN) January 20th, 1961-September 11th, 1963
36. Charles A. Halleck (R-IN)/vacant, Margaret Chase Smith (R-ME) September 11th, 1963-January 20th, 1969
37. John F. Kennedy (D-MA)/Thomas Eagleton (D-MO), vacant, Robert Byrd (D-WV) January 20th, 1969-March 3rd, 1974
38. Robert Byrd (D-WV)/vacant, Hubert H. Humphrey (D-MN) March 3rd, 1974-January 20th, 1977
Robert Taft, Jr. (R-OH)/Paul Laxalt (R-NV) January 20th, 1977-January 20th, 1981

What I've got so far.


If I may suggest

1981-1989: Edmund G. Brown (D-CA)/Lawton Chiles (D-FL)
1989-1993: Lawton Chiles (D-FL)/Albert Gore Jr. (D-TN)

1993-2001: James Thompson (R-IL)/Mitch McConnell (R-KY)
2001-2009: Lawton Chiles Jr. (D-FL)/Samuel A. Nunn (D-GA)
2009-Present: Gary Franks (R-CT)/Michael Castle (R-DE)
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« Reply #1442 on: June 22, 2014, 09:49:25 PM »

The Dead Rockefellers and that Bastard Jack Kennedy

35. Nelson A. Rockefeller (R-NY)/Charles A. Halleck (R-IN) January 20th, 1961-September 11th, 1963
36. Charles A. Halleck (R-IN)/vacant, Margaret Chase Smith (R-ME) September 11th, 1963-January 20th, 1969
37. John F. Kennedy (D-MA)/Thomas Eagleton (D-MO), vacant, Robert Byrd (D-WV) January 20th, 1969-March 3rd, 1974
38. Robert Byrd (D-WV)/vacant, Hubert H. Humphrey (D-MN) March 3rd, 1974-January 20th, 1977
Robert Taft, Jr. (R-OH)/Paul Laxalt (R-NV) January 20th, 1977-January 20th, 1981

What I've got so far.


If I may suggest

1981-1989: Edmund G. Brown (D-CA)/Lawton Chiles (D-FL)
1989-1993: Lawton Chiles (D-FL)/Albert Gore Jr. (D-TN)

1993-2001: James Thompson (R-IL)/Mitch McConnell (R-KY)
2001-2009: Lawton Chiles Jr. (D-FL)/Samuel A. Nunn (D-GA)
2009-Present: Gary Franks (R-CT)/Michael Castle (R-DE)

I was thinking of having another Baystater from '81 to '89, possibly Paul Tsongas, although he was too new to the national scene to be a suitable Reagan analogue (ideally, someone that could've rivaled Kennedy by '68).

My basic idea is that Kennedy is humiliated in the 1962 MA Governor's race in an ill-fated attempt to broaden his experience in politics prior to 1964. Frustrated, he prematurely announces that he will not be running for re-election. However, from 1964 to 1967, the lame duck and then retired Kennedy re-builds his political clout, building a foreign affairs resume while a private citizen and campaigning for Democrats across the country. In the meantime, Hubert H. Humphrey found himself lose to George Wallace in the race for the 1964 Democratic nomination. Halleck, popular and with a good economy, was easily re-elected against what many on both the right and the left termed a "dangerous extremist".

On the other side of the aisle, Winthrop Rockefeller (Agriculture Secretary 1961-1964, Governor of Arkansas 1965-1968) launches a primary campaign against the incumbent Halleck, who, due to Vietnam, drops out. In a divisive primary race against Mark Hatfield, Rockefeller became the second of his family to be assassinated, dying shortly after victory in the California primary. It is instead the aging Vice President Smith who is nominated by the Republicans, with Roman Hruska for Vice President. The convention proved to be the GOP's downfall, with conservatives, establishment moderates, and "Rockefeller Republicans" duking it out.

Kennedy would go on to beat Smith in a relatively close race, with Barry Goldwater running a third-party campaign and taking a number of Western states. Having seen four Democratic losses precede his Presidency, Kennedy was determined to re-build the New Deal Coalition, or, if necessary, build a new one of his own. His presidency, in effect, would resemble much more Eisenhower's than any other president of either party in the last forty years. Some would even see him as being more conservative than Eisenhower, enacting the consolidation of a number of governmental programs and de-regulating some industries. In 1972, he would be put up against Senator Mark Hatfield of Oregon, who had beat out former Vice President Smith and Senator Goldwater in the primaries. Blasting Hatfield as an anti-war radical, Kennedy easily romped the Senator, winning in a landslide where Hatfield claimed only Vermont.

Kennedy's post-re-election high would soon be killed, as allegations of corruption involving the mafia, Central Intelligence Agency, and White House operatives itself, came forward. By Fall, 1974, Kennedy was forced to resign. Vice President Robert Byrd, who had been appointed to fill the mentally unstable Vice President Eagleton's shoes, would take the reins.

Robert Taft, Jr., running as a reformer with ties to the party's both conservative and liberal wings, would win as a dark horse candidate in the 1970 primaries. Many had hoped that either Governor "Jay" Rockefeller of West Virginia or Governor David Rockefeller of New York would enter, both turned down the opportunity. Instead, former Mayor John Lindsay would represent the Rockefeller wing of the party with Barry Goldwater leading the GOP's right flank. As both floundered, several "stop Taft" candidates arose, believing that, despite Taft's political ancestry, he was too "green" and anti-establishment to properly lead the party. Nevertheless, they would all fail as Taft's powerful grassroots support delivered him victory after victory. In a close election, Taft beat Byrd, putting the White House once again in the Republicans' hands. It would not last long, however, as a bad economy combined with early failures in Taft's foreign policy led him first to a primary challenge from David Rockefeller in which the incumbent only closely scraped by, but a landslide defeat in the general election.

Laxalt, naturally, loses in a landslide to X Democrat in 1984 after narrowly beating some "new Republican" or another in the primaries.
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« Reply #1443 on: June 23, 2014, 07:31:32 AM »


I was thinking of having another Baystater from '81 to '89, possibly Paul Tsongas, although he was too new to the national scene to be a suitable Reagan analogue (ideally, someone that could've rivaled Kennedy by '68).


If you want another Baystater, how about Tip O'Neill (Governor of MA 1967-1975) as the Reagan analogue?
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« Reply #1444 on: June 23, 2014, 11:03:37 AM »

Similar to my other alternate presidencies, but changing the results of every close election instead of just one:

Dwight EisenhowerRichard Nixon1953-1961
Richard NixonHenry Lodge1961-1969
Henry LodgeHoward Baker1969-1977
Howard BakerBob Dole1977-1981
Jerry BrownMo Udall1981-1989
Mo UdallJoe Biden1989-1993
Carroll CampbellConnie Mack1993-2001
Connie MackArlen Specter2001-2005
John KerryJohn Edwards2005-2009
Bobby JindalDan Quayle2009-2017

Losing tickets:
Adlai StevensonJohn Sparkman1952
Adlai StevensonEstes Kefauver1956
John KennedyLyndon Johnson1960
Eugene McCarthyWayne Morse1964
John KennedyHenry Jackson1968
George McGovernSargent Shriver1972
Jimmy CarterWalter Mondale1976
Howard BakerBob Dole1980
Bob DoleJack Kemp1984
George DeukmajianJohn Danforth1988
Mo UdallJoe Biden1992
Walter MondaleGeraldine Ferraro1996
Mark UdallLeon Panetta2000
Connie MackArlen Specter2004
Bill BradleyMartin O'Malley2008
Mark DaytonDebbie Wasserman Schultz2012
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« Reply #1445 on: June 23, 2014, 04:28:03 PM »


I was thinking of having another Baystater from '81 to '89, possibly Paul Tsongas, although he was too new to the national scene to be a suitable Reagan analogue (ideally, someone that could've rivaled Kennedy by '68).


If you want another Baystater, how about Tip O'Neill (Governor of MA 1967-1975) as the Reagan analogue?

After some quick Wikipedia searching (and seeing that Tip III lacked the, eh, "facial gravitas" to make it far in presidential politics), it seems like Mayor John F. Collins might serve well, as he seems to have acted in a manner that would fit the Democrats' rightward movement. It says that he ran for Senate in 1966 but lost the primary. Could possibly have him win that primary or win that year's gubernatorial election. He'd be younger than Reagan and might be able to pull off the "rising star" aspect by '68 enough to threaten Kennedy (as Reagan did Nixon, who both looked down at and was terrified of the California Governor). As I continue reading, it seems he was forced into use of a wheelchair due to polio, which might give him an aura of a "new FDR" to a nation in distress come 1980.

However, if we're looking for someone as viscerally anti-hippie as Reagan, I stumbled upon the idea of using Louise Day Hicks. She would certainly get the left as riled up as our own 40th President did.
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« Reply #1446 on: June 25, 2014, 07:00:56 PM »

I may end up turning something like this into a timeline:

Any Which-Way You Can
35. John F. Kennedy (D-MA)*/Lyndon B. Johnson (D-TX): 1/20/1961-11/22/1963
36. Lyndon B. Johnson (D-TX)/vacant: 11/22/1963-1/20/1965
      Lyndon B. Johnson (D-TX)/Hubert Humphrey (D-MN): 1/20/1965-1/20/1969

37. Richard M. Nixon (R-NY)**/George Romney (R-MI): 1/20/1969-8/9/1974
38. George Romney (R-MI)/Nelson Rockefeller (R-NY): 8/9/1974-1/20/1977
39. Nelson Rockefeller (R-NY)/Gerald R. Ford (R-MI): 1/20/1977-1/26/1979
40. Gerald R. Ford (R-MI)/Ronald Reagan (R-CA)^^: 1/26/1979-1/20/1985

41. Walter Mondale (D-MN)/Jerry Brown (D-CA): 1/20/1985-1/20/1993
42. Jack Kemp (R-NY)/Bob Dole (R-KS): 1/20/1993-1/20/2001
43. Al Gore (D-TN)^/Dick Gephardt (D-MO)^: 1/20/2001-1/20/2005
44. George W. Bush (R-TX)/Chuck Hagel (R-NE): 1/20/2005-1/20/2013
45. Joe Biden (D-DE)**/Barack Obama (D-IL): 1/20/2013-4/5/2018
46. Barack Obama (D-IL)/Martin O'Malley (D-MD)^^: 4/5/2018-1/20/2025


*Died in office
**Resigned
^Defeated for reelection
^^Appointed to fill vacancy



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« Reply #1447 on: June 28, 2014, 01:08:02 PM »

25. William McKinley (R-OH) 1897-1905
26. Charles Fairbanks (R-IN) 1905-1913
27. Theodore Roosevelt (R-NY) 1913-1921
28. William Jennings Bryan (People's-NE) 1921-1923
29. Samuel Ralston (P-IN) 1923-1929
30. Arthur H. Bell (P-NJ) 1929-1933
31. Norman Thomas (Socialist-NY) 1933-1953
32. Bob Taft (R-OH) 1953
33. Richard McHenry (R-IL) 1953-1961*
34. Daniel Herzog (S-PA) 1961-1963*
35. Joseph Brown (S-MI)  1963-1969*
36. Robert Rubio (American-CA) 1969-1974*
37. Tony Roberts (A-TX) 1974-1977*
38. Wendy Elder (S-OR) 1977-1981*
39. Alex Chapman (A-KY) 1981-1989*
40. Gerald Hawkins (A-MN) 1989-1993*
41. Peggy Patterson (Reform-VA) 1993-2001*
42. James Fowler (A-ND) 2001-2009*
43. Jeanette Harris (Ref-WA) 2009-2017*
44. Alan McCoy (Ref-PA) 2017-2025*
45. Roger Allen (A-AR) 2025-2029*
46. Christie Barnes (Ref-PA) 2029-2033*
47. Roy Brown (A-VA) 2033-2041*
48. Barbara McDaniel (A-OH) 2041-2049*
49. Hannah Thompson (Green-NY) 2049-2057*
50. Carolyn Martin (A-WY) 2057-2065*
51. Shannon Elmore (G-MD) 2065-2073*
52. Mary Landrum (A-OR) 2073*
53. Kathleen Ozment (A-FL) 2073-2081*
54. Sara Miller (G-LA) 2081-2085*
55. Paul Sanderson (A-NY) 2085-2089*
56. Denise Echevarria (G-WA) 2089-2097*

*Fictional
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« Reply #1448 on: June 28, 2014, 05:39:50 PM »
« Edited: June 29, 2014, 02:20:28 AM by Cathcon »

Based on this scenario.

32. Franklin D. Roosevelt (D-NY)/John Nance Garner (D-TX), Henry Wallace (D-IA) 1933-1945
33. Henry A. Wallace (D-IA)/vacant 1945-1949

34. Douglas MacArthur (R-DC)/Arthur H. Vandenberg (R-MI) 1949-1953
35. Henry A. Wallace (D-IA)/Adlai E. Stevenson, II (D-IL) 1953-1957
36. Adlai E. Stevenson, II (D-IL)/John F. Kennedy (D-MA) 1957-1965

37. Kermit Roosevelt (R-NY)/Richard M. Nixon (R-CA) 1965-1973
38. John F. Kennedy (D-MA)/James E. Carter (D-GA) 1973-1979
39. James E. Carter (D-GA)/vacant, Frank F. Church, III (D-ID) 1979-1981

40. Richard M. Nixon (R-CA)/Howard H. Baker, Jr. (R-TN) 1981-1989
41. Howard H. Baker, Jr. (R-TN)/Prescott Bush, Jr. (R-CT) 1989-1993


With the nation still in a state of brutal war, few were eager to attempt to "rock the boat", to the point that the unpopular Vice President, Henry Wallace, was retained on the 1944 Democratic ticket. Upon Roosevelt's death, Wallace would lead the nation through a rocky four years. Unwilling to utilize the results of the Manhattan Project or even put the U.S. into a state of "total war" while attempting to maintain open and forceful opposition to the Axis Powers and strengthening America's alliance with the Soviet Union, Wallace would be seen as a commie-coddler and a failed President. While the nation remained fully in favor of the international venture, many questioned Wallace's leadership. With General Douglas MacArthur expected to win in a landslide, however, Wallace and the White House propaganda machine attempted to craft a coalition of hawks, progressives, and labor. MacArthur would nonetheless win outright, claiming 53% of the vote while Wallace failed to retain even the South. The nation had rejected his "quirky reforms" and "questionable foreign policy".
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« Reply #1449 on: July 01, 2014, 09:27:41 PM »

37. Ronald Reagan: 1969-1973
38. George McGovern: 1973-1981
39. Howard Baker: 1981-1989
40. George H.W. Bush: 1989-1997
41. Mario Cuomo: 1997-2001
42. John McCain: 2001-2009
43. William Jefferson Clinton: 2009-2017
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