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« Reply #225 on: July 02, 2009, 10:18:40 AM »

A lot of people seem to die in your timelines Historico.

LOL, I know right...It reall just depends if I want to keep the 20 year curse going or not, or if they died of natural causes in OTL. Btw, here is my newest Presidential list based on the POD that Progressive Judge Learned Hand of New York was nominated by the Republican Party at the deadlocked convention of 1930.

The Visible Hand:

28. Woodrow Wilson (D-NJ):  March 4th 1913-March 4th 1921
29. B. Learned Hand (R-NY): March 4th 1921-March 4th 1929
30. Charles Curtis (R-KA): March 4th 1929-March 4th 1933

31. Huey P. Long (D-LA): March 4th 1933-September 10th 1935*
32. Robert F. Wagner (D-NY): September 10th 1935-January 20th 1945

33. Arthur H. Vandenberg (R-MI) January 20th 1945-April 18th 1951*
34. Phillip F. Lafollette (R-WI): April 18th 1951-January 20th 1953

35. Adlai E. Stevenson II (D-IL): January 20th 1953-January 20th 1961
36. Christian A. Herter (R-MA): January 20th 1961-January 20th 1965
37. Thruston B. Morton (R-KY): January 20th 1965-January 20th 1969

38. Russell B. Long (D-LA): January 20th 1969-January 20th 1977
39. Edward W. Brooke III (R-MA): January 20th 1977-January 20th 1981*
40. Edmund G. “Jerry” Brown Jr. (D-CA): January 20th 1981-January 20th 1989
41. Fred Harris (D-OK): January 20th 1989-January 20th 1993

42. John M. “Mike” Hayden (R-KA): January 20th 1993-January 20th 2001
43. Henry G. Cisneros (D-TX): January 20th 2001-January 19th 2007**
44. William W. “Bill” Bradley (D-NJ): January 19th 2007-January 20th 2009

45. Lincoln D. Chafee (R-RI): January 20th 2009-???

Notes.

31. Assassinated by Carl Austin Weiss in Baton Rouge, Louisiana.
33. Died in office due to complications of Cancer
39. First African American President.
43. First Hispanic American President, and first to resign due to obstruction of justice.
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« Reply #226 on: July 02, 2009, 11:25:18 AM »
« Edited: July 02, 2009, 11:29:27 AM by Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity fan »

The fall of the G.O.P

28. Woodrow Wilson (D-NJ) / Thomas R. Marshall (D-IN) : 1913-1924*
29. Thomas R. Marshall (D-IN) / None : 1924-1925
30. Calvin Coolidge (R-NH) / Herbert Hoover (R-KS) : 1925-1933
31. Frank Emerson (R-WY) / Joseph M. Dixon (R-MT) : 1933-1941
32. Franklin Roosevelt (D-NY) / Henry Wallace (D-IA): 1941-1949

*** 1943 : GOP splits. Social Conservatives and Pro-Interventionists and moderates leave the party and create the FREEDOM PARTY. Fiscal Conservatives are only remaining faction in GOP. The split was caused by the Fiscal Conservatives refusing to let the U.S Enter WW2. So to break the GOP Majority, Social Conservatives, Moderates and Interventionists left the party which gave the Dems a 47-29 Majority in the Senate and a 200-145 in the House 


33. Dwight Eisenhower (F-PA) / Harry Truman (F-MO) : 1949-1957
34. Richard Nixon (R-CA) / Henry Cabot Lodge JR (R-MA) : 1957-1961
35. Lyndon Johnson (D-TX) / John F. Kennedy (D-MA) : 1961-1969
36. John F. Kennedy (F-MA) / Roman Hruska (F-NE) : 1969-1971*
37. Roman Hruska (F-NE) / Ronald Reagan (F-CA) : 1971-1977
38. Scoop Jackson (D-WA) / Robert Kennedy (D-NY) : 1977-1985
39. Ronald Reagan (F-CA) / Chic Hecht (F-NV) : 1985-1993

*** GOP Announces it will disband. Fiscal Conservatives flee to Freedom Party and Democrat Party.


40. Zell Miller (F-GA) / Bob Graham (F-FL) : 1993-2001
41. Al Gore (D-TN) / Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-NJ) : 2001-2009
42. Sarah Palin (F-WY) / George W. Bush (F-TX) : 2009-Current

*28 : Woodrow Dies as in Real Life
*36 : JFK Dies after getting shot by Republican Protester in Dallas, Texas.
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« Reply #227 on: July 02, 2009, 12:48:49 PM »

The fall of the G.O.P

28. Woodrow Wilson (D-NJ) / Thomas R. Marshall (D-IN) : 1913-1924*
29. Thomas R. Marshall (D-IN) / None : 1924-1925
30. Calvin Coolidge (R-NH) / Herbert Hoover (R-KS) : 1925-1933
31. Frank Emerson (R-WY) / Joseph M. Dixon (R-MT) : 1933-1941
32. Franklin Roosevelt (D-NY) / Henry Wallace (D-IA): 1941-1949

*** 1943 : GOP splits. Social Conservatives and Pro-Interventionists and moderates leave the party and create the FREEDOM PARTY. Fiscal Conservatives are only remaining faction in GOP. The split was caused by the Fiscal Conservatives refusing to let the U.S Enter WW2. So to break the GOP Majority, Social Conservatives, Moderates and Interventionists left the party which gave the Dems a 47-29 Majority in the Senate and a 200-145 in the House 


33. Dwight Eisenhower (F-PA) / Harry Truman (F-MO) : 1949-1957
34. Richard Nixon (R-CA) / Henry Cabot Lodge JR (R-MA) : 1957-1961
35. Lyndon Johnson (D-TX) / John F. Kennedy (D-MA) : 1961-1969
36. John F. Kennedy (F-MA) / Roman Hruska (F-NE) : 1969-1971*
37. Roman Hruska (F-NE) / Ronald Reagan (F-CA) : 1971-1977
38. Scoop Jackson (D-WA) / Robert Kennedy (D-NY) : 1977-1985
39. Ronald Reagan (F-CA) / Chic Hecht (F-NV) : 1985-1993

*** GOP Announces it will disband. Fiscal Conservatives flee to Freedom Party and Democrat Party.


40. Zell Miller (F-GA) / Bob Graham (F-FL) : 1993-2001
41. Al Gore (D-TN) / Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-NJ) : 2001-2009
42. Sarah Palin (F-WY) / George W. Bush (F-TX) : 2009-Current

*28 : Woodrow Dies as in Real Life
*36 : JFK Dies after getting shot by Republican Protester in Dallas, Texas.


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« Reply #228 on: July 02, 2009, 01:29:36 PM »

A lot of people seem to die in your timelines Historico.

LOL, I know right...It reall just depends if I want to keep the 20 year curse going or not, or if they died of natural causes in OTL. Btw, here is my newest Presidential list based on the POD that Progressive Judge Learned Hand of New York was nominated by the Republican Party at the deadlocked convention of 1930.

The Visible Hand:

28. Woodrow Wilson (D-NJ):  March 4th 1913-March 4th 1921
29. B. Learned Hand (R-NY): March 4th 1921-March 4th 1929
30. Charles Curtis (R-KA): March 4th 1929-March 4th 1933

31. Huey P. Long (D-LA): March 4th 1933-September 10th 1935*
32. Robert F. Wagner (D-NY): September 10th 1935-January 20th 1945

33. Arthur H. Vandenberg (R-MI) January 20th 1945-April 18th 1951*
34. Phillip F. Lafollette (R-WI): April 18th 1951-January 20th 1953

35. Adlai E. Stevenson II (D-IL): January 20th 1953-January 20th 1961
36. Christian A. Herter (R-MA): January 20th 1961-January 20th 1965
37. Thruston B. Morton (R-KY): January 20th 1965-January 20th 1969

38. Russell B. Long (D-LA): January 20th 1969-January 20th 1977
39. Edward W. Brooke III (R-MA): January 20th 1977-January 20th 1981*
40. Edmund G. “Jerry” Brown Jr. (D-CA): January 20th 1981-January 20th 1989
41. Fred Harris (D-OK): January 20th 1989-January 20th 1993

42. John M. “Mike” Hayden (R-KA): January 20th 1993-January 20th 2001
43. Henry G. Cisneros (D-TX): January 20th 2001-January 19th 2007**
44. William W. “Bill” Bradley (D-NJ): January 19th 2007-January 20th 2009

45. Lincoln D. Chafee (R-RI): January 20th 2009-???

Notes.

31. Assassinated by Carl Austin Weiss in Baton Rouge, Louisiana.
33. Died in office due to complications of Cancer
39. First African American President.
43. First Hispanic American President, and first to resign due to obstruction of justice.


Formidable list. I love alternate realities where conservatives don't pollute american politics... Smiley
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« Reply #229 on: July 02, 2009, 01:33:26 PM »

A lot of people seem to die in your timelines Historico.

LOL, I know right...It reall just depends if I want to keep the 20 year curse going or not, or if they died of natural causes in OTL. Btw, here is my newest Presidential list based on the POD that Progressive Judge Learned Hand of New York was nominated by the Republican Party at the deadlocked convention of 1930.

The Visible Hand:

28. Woodrow Wilson (D-NJ):  March 4th 1913-March 4th 1921
29. B. Learned Hand (R-NY): March 4th 1921-March 4th 1929
30. Charles Curtis (R-KA): March 4th 1929-March 4th 1933

31. Huey P. Long (D-LA): March 4th 1933-September 10th 1935*
32. Robert F. Wagner (D-NY): September 10th 1935-January 20th 1945

33. Arthur H. Vandenberg (R-MI) January 20th 1945-April 18th 1951*
34. Phillip F. Lafollette (R-WI): April 18th 1951-January 20th 1953

35. Adlai E. Stevenson II (D-IL): January 20th 1953-January 20th 1961
36. Christian A. Herter (R-MA): January 20th 1961-January 20th 1965
37. Thruston B. Morton (R-KY): January 20th 1965-January 20th 1969

38. Russell B. Long (D-LA): January 20th 1969-January 20th 1977
39. Edward W. Brooke III (R-MA): January 20th 1977-January 20th 1981*
40. Edmund G. “Jerry” Brown Jr. (D-CA): January 20th 1981-January 20th 1989
41. Fred Harris (D-OK): January 20th 1989-January 20th 1993

42. John M. “Mike” Hayden (R-KA): January 20th 1993-January 20th 2001
43. Henry G. Cisneros (D-TX): January 20th 2001-January 19th 2007**
44. William W. “Bill” Bradley (D-NJ): January 19th 2007-January 20th 2009

45. Lincoln D. Chafee (R-RI): January 20th 2009-???

Notes.

31. Assassinated by Carl Austin Weiss in Baton Rouge, Louisiana.
33. Died in office due to complications of Cancer
39. First African American President.
43. First Hispanic American President, and first to resign due to obstruction of justice.


Formidable list. I love alternate realities where conservatives don't pollute american politics... Smiley

Who was Chafee's opponent?
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« Reply #230 on: July 02, 2009, 02:48:30 PM »

YES!!! Two Longs in one timeline. I'm an especially big fan of Russy-Russ. There's actually a case to be made that he was the most conservative president in your atl Historico, considering he was socially conservative and pro-buisness.
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« Reply #231 on: July 03, 2009, 11:13:33 AM »

A lot of people seem to die in your timelines Historico.

LOL, I know right...It reall just depends if I want to keep the 20 year curse going or not, or if they died of natural causes in OTL. Btw, here is my newest Presidential list based on the POD that Progressive Judge Learned Hand of New York was nominated by the Republican Party at the deadlocked convention of 1930.

The Visible Hand:

28. Woodrow Wilson (D-NJ):  March 4th 1913-March 4th 1921
29. B. Learned Hand (R-NY): March 4th 1921-March 4th 1929
30. Charles Curtis (R-KA): March 4th 1929-March 4th 1933

31. Huey P. Long (D-LA): March 4th 1933-September 10th 1935*
32. Robert F. Wagner (D-NY): September 10th 1935-January 20th 1945

33. Arthur H. Vandenberg (R-MI) January 20th 1945-April 18th 1951*
34. Phillip F. Lafollette (R-WI): April 18th 1951-January 20th 1953

35. Adlai E. Stevenson II (D-IL): January 20th 1953-January 20th 1961
36. Christian A. Herter (R-MA): January 20th 1961-January 20th 1965
37. Thruston B. Morton (R-KY): January 20th 1965-January 20th 1969

38. Russell B. Long (D-LA): January 20th 1969-January 20th 1977
39. Edward W. Brooke III (R-MA): January 20th 1977-January 20th 1981*
40. Edmund G. “Jerry” Brown Jr. (D-CA): January 20th 1981-January 20th 1989
41. Fred Harris (D-OK): January 20th 1989-January 20th 1993

42. John M. “Mike” Hayden (R-KA): January 20th 1993-January 20th 2001
43. Henry G. Cisneros (D-TX): January 20th 2001-January 19th 2007**
44. William W. “Bill” Bradley (D-NJ): January 19th 2007-January 20th 2009

45. Lincoln D. Chafee (R-RI): January 20th 2009-???

Notes.

31. Assassinated by Carl Austin Weiss in Baton Rouge, Louisiana.
33. Died in office due to complications of Cancer
39. First African American President.
43. First Hispanic American President, and first to resign due to obstruction of justice.


Formidable list. I love alternate realities where conservatives don't pollute american politics... Smiley

Who was Chafee's opponent?

Chafee defeated the incumbent President Bradley in the 2008 Election...Here's a new list everyone that ive had in my head for a while now...based on the POD that President Wilson died of his stroke in 1919.

Wilson Dies

28. Woodrow Wilson (D-NJ): March 4th 1913-October 2nd 1919*
29. Thomas R. Marshall (D-IN): October 2nd 1919-March 4th 1921

30. William Cameron Sproul (R-PA): March 4th 1921-March 21st 1928*
31. Calvin Coolidge (R-MA): March 21st 1928-March 4th 1929
32. Nicholas M. Butler (R-NY): March 4th 1929-March 4th 1933

33. John W. Davis (D-WV): March 4th1933-January 20th 1941
34. Harry L. Hopkins (D-NY): January 20th 1941-January 29th 1946*
35. James F. Byrnes (D-SC): January 29th 1946-January 20th 1949

36. Leverett A. Saltonstall (R-MA): January 20th 1949-January 20th 1957
37. Goodwin J. “Goodie” Knight (R-CA): January 20th 1957-January 20th 1961

38. J. Howard McGrath (D-RI): January 20th 1961-September 2nd 1966*
39. George Wallace (D-AL): September 2nd 1966-January 20th 1969

40.  John Wayne (R-CA): January 20th 1969-January 20th 1977
41. Robert Sargent Shriver Jr. (D-MD): January 20th 1977-January 20th 1981
42. Barry Goldwater (R-AZ): January 20th 1981-January 20th 1989
43. Ronald V. “Ron” Dellums (D-CA): January 20th 1989-January 20th 1997*
44. Phil Gramm (R-TX): January 20th 1997-January 20th 2001
45. Jeanne Shaheen (D-NH): January 20th 2001-January 20th 2009*
46. Albert A. “Al” Gore Jr. (D-TN): January 20th 2009-???


Notes.

28. Died in office of a massive stroke.
30. Died in office.
34. Died in office due to complications of stomach cancer.
38. Died in office due to a cerebral hemorrhage
43. First African American President
45. First Female President
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« Reply #232 on: July 03, 2009, 11:41:55 AM »
« Edited: July 03, 2009, 11:44:25 AM by Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity fan »

Dewey in 1948

34. Thomas Dewey (R-NY) / Alf Landon (R-KS) 1949-1953 ***
35. Richard Russell Junior (D-GA) / Adlai Stevenson (D-IL) 1953-1955 *
36. Adlai Stevenson (D-IL) / Alben Barkley (D-KY) 1955-1957 ***
37. Dwight Eisenhower (R-KS) / Harold Stassen (R-MN) 1957-1964 *
38. Harold Stassen (R-MN) / Earl Warren (R-CA) 1964-1969 **
39. John F. Kennedy (D-MA) / Scoop Jackson (D-WA) 1969-1972 *
40. Scoop Jackson (D-WA) / Robert Kennedy (D-NY) 1972-1977 **
41. Jimmy Carter (D-GA) / George Wallace (D-AL) 1977-1981 ***
42. Ronald W. Reagan (R-CA) / Chic Hecht (R-NV) 1981-1989 ****
43. Arlen Specter (D-PA) / Joe Lieberman (D-CT) 1989-1993 ***
44. Bob Dole (R-KS) / Jack Kemp (R-NY) 1997-2001

*** = Defeated
**** = Cold war ends
** = Takes over presidency for dead president
* = Killed in office
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« Reply #233 on: July 10, 2009, 01:49:16 PM »

Here is a new list

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The Virtue of Moderation


37. Richard M. Nixon (R-NY): January 20th 1969-August 9th 1974**
38. Robert H. Finch (R-CA): August 9th 1974-January 20th 1981

39. Reubin O’D. Askew (D-FL): January 20th 1981-January 20th 1989
40. Pierre S. “Pete” Du Pont IV (R-DE): January 20th 1989-January 20th 1993
41. Paul E. Tsongas (D-MA): January 20th 1993-January 18th 1997*
42. Zell B. Miller (D-GA): January 18th 1997-January 20th 2001

43. George E. Pataki (R-NY): January 20th 2001-January 20th 2009
44. Clinton B. LeSueur (D-MS): January 20th 2009-???

Notes.


37. Tricky Dick is able to convince friend, former campaign manager and California Lieutenant Governor Robert H. Finch to run with him as his running mate during the 1968 Election. Nixon’s Presidency goes essentially the same as IOTL, and resigns due to the Watergate scandal. The Sitting Vice President Robert H. Finch becomes the nation’s 38th President.

38. The Moderate President focuses much more on the domestic issues hurting the nations and is able to get Comprehensive Universal Health Insurance passed. Despite taking major flack for pardoning President Nixon, Finch is able to win an incredibly narrow victory over Scoop Jackson in the ’76 Election. However worsening economic conditions, slow reaction to the Iranian crisis and a mandate for change led to the defeat of Vice President Bob Dole to the Southern Moderate to Conservative Democrat in the 1980 Election.

39. Askew came into office in an atmosphere of change and against Washington Insiders. He would be a champion of Civil Rights and Capital Punishment but anti-nuclear freeze, anti-ERA and anti-Gay Rights. Relations with the Soviet Union would remain particularly frosty but economic prosperity would ensure him a comfortable victory over Senator Howard Baker of Tennessee. The Heightened sense of possible Nuclear War dominated his second term, which intern allowed Vice President Bayh to be defeated by Pete DuPont in 1988 election

40. Running on a platform for Economic Renewal, Pete du Pont’ despite his aristocratic lineage was supported by many working class voters for his lowered tax rates and passage of a balanced budget amendment. Yet it would be a failed attempt to reform the Social Security system and the bloody US Occupation of Iraq which doomed his reelection chances to Massachusetts Senator Paul Tsongas.

41. One of the last vestiges of the socially liberal yet economically conservative Northeastern wing of the Democratic Party, Tsongas was thrust into the White House largely due to a strong third party candidacy of Ross Perot. His economic policies were fairly popular as well as his successful withdraw from the Iraq conflict gave Tsongas high approval ratings. Yet it would be his health which would deter him from seeking reelection, allowing Vice President Miller to defeat former Vice President Laxalt in the ’96 Election. He would die two days before Miller’s inauguration on January 18th, of pneumonia and liver failure while in office.

42. President Miller would maintain Tsongas’ popular economic policies but socially reign as a social conservative Askew Democrat. He would make renewing America’s failed public school system his major championing issue. However he would loose in the most disputed election in history, where a three way election between Reform Party nominee Angus King of Maine, and Republican nominee Governor George Pataki of New York was thrown to the House of the Representatives. Pataki was able to extract concessions from King and win in the House, thus ensuring him the Presidency.

43. Although not the true popular vote choice for President, Pataki came into office wanting to cement his legacy as leader of the progressive wing of the Republican Party. Administrating as an Environmentalist who continued Miller’s education reforms but it would be a strong response to the terrorist attacks on March 20th 2003 which ensure him a landslide victory over former Vice President Tom Harkin in the 2004 election. Pataki would leave office and highly successful President, but Vice President John McCain could not overcome the mantra of change echoed by Mississippi Governor Clinton LeSueur.

44. Clinton P. LeSuer is the nation’s 1st African American and youngest President to be sworn into office as an Askew Democrat which is known term as socially conservative, economic Keynesian.
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« Reply #234 on: July 10, 2009, 03:03:35 PM »
« Edited: July 10, 2009, 03:11:01 PM by Lahbas »

Theodore Roosevelt is narrowly nominated at the 1916 Republican Convention, when Charles Evan Hughes refuses to accept the nomination. Roosevelt defeats Wilson by about 2 points.

29)Theodore Roosevelt (R) 1917-1919 *
30)Charles Fairbanks (R) 1919-1921
31)Leonard Wood (R) 1921-1925****
32)Calvin Coolidge (R) 1925-1929
33)Frank O. Lowden (R) 1929-1933***
34)Al Smith (D) 1933-1937***
35)William Edgar Borah (R) 1937-1940*
36)Alf Landon (R) 1940-1949
37)Harold Stassen (R) 1949-1957
38)Richard Nixon (R) 1957-1963**
39)Henry Cabot Lodge Jr. (R) 1963-1969
40)Lyndon B. Johnson (D) 1969-1972*
41)John F. Kennedy (D) 1972-1981
42)Ronald Reagan (R) 1981-1989
43)Jesse Jackson (D) 1989-1993****
44)Howard Baker (R) 1993-2000
45)John McCain (R) 2000-2009
46)George W. Bush (R) 2009-Current

*Died of Natural Causes While in Office
**Assassinated While in Office
***Defeated for Reelection
****Lost Party Nomination
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« Reply #235 on: July 11, 2009, 03:46:36 PM »

A different Reagan Revolution

30) Calvin Coolidge (R-RI) / Miles Poindexter (R-WA)  : 1921-1929
31) William H. McMaster (R-SD) / Herbert Hoover (R-NE) : 1929-1934 *
32) Herbert Hoover (R-NE) / Charles Curtis (R-KS) : 1934-1937
33) Franklin Roosevelt (D-NY) / Henry Wallace (D-IA)  : 1937-1945
34) Arthur Vandenberg (R-MI) / Dwight Eisenhower (R-PA) : 1945-1949
35) Henry Wallace (D-IA) / Harry Truman (D-MO) : 1949-1957
36) Dwight Eisenhower (R-PA) / Dick Nixon (R-CA) : 1957-1962 *
37) Dick Nixon (R-CA) / Henry Cabot Lodge Junior (R-MA) : 1962-1973
38) John F. Kennedy (D-MA) / John Tower (D-TX) : 1973-1975 *
39) John Tower (D-TX) / Ronald Reagan (I-CA) : 1975-1977
40) Gerald Ford (R-MI) / George H.W Bush (R-CT) : 1977-1981
41) Ronald Reagan (I-CA) / John Anderson (I-IL) : 1981-1989
42) Mike Dukakis (D-MA) / Lloyd Bentsen (D-OK) : 1989-1993
43) Bill Clinton (R-AR) / George W. Bush  (R-TX) : 1993-2001
44) John McCain (R-AZ) / Orrin Hatch (R-UT) : 2001-2005
45) Hillary Clinton (I-TN) / Mike Bloomberg (I-NY) : 2005-2013
46) Mike Bloomberg (I-NY) / Susan Collins (I-ME) : 2013- Current


# 31 : McMaster dies of heart attack, which is suspected to be caused by poison.
# 36 : Eisenhower is shot on a Vietnam visit. His death started the Vietnam war
# 38 : Disappeared in Plane crash in Texas
# 45 : First female President
# 46 : First Jewish President


Most conservative President  Sad

Bill Clinton (R-AR) / George W. Bush (R-TX)


Most Moderate President Sad

Mike Bloomberg (I-NY) / Susan Collins (I-ME)

Most Liberal President Sad

Henry Wallace (D-IA) / Harry Truman (D-MO)

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« Reply #236 on: July 12, 2009, 10:18:42 AM »

National Republicans vs. Democrats
This basically starts from the very beginning.
1790-1797: George Washington (no party)
1797-1801: John Adams
1801-1809: Thomas Jefferson
1809-1817: James Madison
1817-1825: James Monroe
1825-1833: John Quincy Adams (first a Democrat, than a National Republican)
1833-1837: Henry Clay (unpopular first term leads to defeat by Webster at Convention)
1837-1845: Daniel Webster
1845-1853: John C. Calhoun/Lewis Cass
1853-1857: Winfield Scott (anti-southern policies lead to civil war starting in 1857)
1857-1865: Stephen Douglas (North victorious in Civil War in 1863, Douglas announces that slaves in territory held by the Union Army will be free. This includes most of Virginia, Tennessee, Kentucky, Missouri, Arkansas, and parts of North Carolina and Mississippi and Louisiana)
1865-1869: John Breckenridge (Douglas attempts to run for a third term in 1864 but the Southern delegation shoots him down and nominates Breckenridge)
1869-1873: Horace Greeley (shot in 1872 while campaigning in Arlington, Virginia. The year before Greeley had abolished slavery and the South had not seceded)
1873-1881: Winfield Scott Hancock
1881-1889: James Blaine
1889-1893: Grover Cleveland
1893-1901: William McKinley
1901-1913: Theodore Roosevelt
1913-1921: William Jennings Bryan
1921-1923: Robert Marion LaFollette (shot and killed while walking down the steps of the capitol)
1923-1933: Calvin Coolidge (depression occurs as it did in real life)
1933-1941: Al Smith (first Catholic president)
1941-1945: John Nance Garner
1945-1953: Thomas Dewey
1953-1957: Richard Russell
1957-1961: Earl Warren (passes integration and civil rights laws)
1961-1969: Joe Kennedy Jr.
1969-1970: Nelson Rockefeller (dies of a massive stroke)
1970-1973: Gerald Ford (does not run for reelection)
1973-1981: Richard Nixon
1981-1985: Ronald Reagan
1985-1993: Robert Dole
1993-2001: Mario Cuomo
2001-2005: Fred Thompson
2005-Present: Mitt Romney

Most Liberal President: Earl Warren: Passed a slew of liberal domestic programs and civil rights over his only term

Most Conservative President: John Breckenridge: Opposed pretty much any expansion of the role of the federal government and opposed any move to abolish slavery in the deep south. Did nothing to prevent "slave hunters" from taking free blacks from free Southern states.

Most moderate president: Teddy Roosevelt: a foreign policy hawk and domestic liberal. Also considered by many to be the greatest president

Republican base: northern and western protestants, suburban voters, women, blacks

Democratic base: southerners and border states whites, Catholics, "ethnics", white working class, Hispanics
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« Reply #237 on: July 12, 2009, 10:41:43 AM »

Here is a new list based on if there had been a deadlock at the 1952 Republican National Convention, coming after Ike declines the nod...Joe McCathy is nominated in his stead.

Tail-Gunner in the White House

33. Harry S. Truman (D-MO): April 12th 1945-January 20th 1953
34. Joseph R. “Joe” McCarthy (R-WI): January 20th 1953-May 2nd 1957*
35. Alfred E. Driscoll (R-NJ): May 2nd 1957-January 20th 1965

36. Edmund G. “Pat” Brown (D-CA): January 20th 1965-January 20th 1969
37. Cecil H. Underwood (R-WV): January 20th 1969-January 20th 1977
38. Dale Bumpers (D-AK): January 20th 1977-January 20th 1985
39. James R. “Big Jim” Thompson (R-IL): January 20th 1985-January 20th 1993
40. Robert P. Casey (D-PA): January 20th 1993-March 30th 2000*
41. Patricia “Pat” Schroeder (D-CO): March 30th 2000-January 20th 2005*

42. Malcolm S. “Steve” Forbes Jr. (R-NY): January 20th 2005-???

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34. Died in Office due to acute hepatitis/cirrhosis of the liver.
40. Died in Office due to complications of Appalachian familiar amyloidosis.
41. First Female President.
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« Reply #238 on: July 16, 2009, 11:29:41 PM »

It started with a Little Flower…

32. Franklin D. Roosevelt (D-NY): March 4th 1933-January 20th 1941
33. Fiorella H. La Guardia (R-NY): January 20th 1941-September 20th 1947*
34. Robert M. Lafollete Jr. (R-WI): September 20th 1947-January 20th 1949

35. Scott W. Lucas (D-IL): January 20th 1949-January 20th 1953
36. Douglas McKay (R-OR): January 20th 1953-July 22nd 1959*
37. Leverett A. Saltonstall (R-MA): July 22nd 1959-January 20th 1965

38. Stewart L. Udall (D-AZ): January 20th 1965-January 20th 1973
39. Jacob K. “Jack” Javits (R-NY): January 20th 1973-January 20th 1977
40. Fred R. Harris (D-OK): January 20th 1977-January 20th 1981
41. Robert H. Bork (R-PA): January 20th 1981-January 20th 1989
42. Richard B. “Dick” Cheney (R-WY): January 20th 1989-January 20th 1993

43. David N. Dinkins (D-NY): January 20th 1993-Janurary 20th 2001*
44. James E. Folsom Jr. (D-AL): January 20th 2001-January 20th 2005

45.  John D. Ashcroft (R-MO): January 20th 2005-January 20th 2009
46. Thomas S. “Tom” Udall (D-NM): January 20th 2009-???

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33. Died in office due to complications of Pancreatic Cancer
36. Died in office due to aggravated Heart Disease
43. First African American President.
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« Reply #239 on: July 17, 2009, 06:52:03 AM »

42. Richard B. “Dick” Cheney (R-WY): January 20th 1989-January 20th 1993

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« Reply #240 on: July 17, 2009, 09:43:37 AM »

42. Richard B. “Dick” Cheney (R-WY): January 20th 1989-January 20th 1993

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Oh, poor Dick, nobody likes him Wink
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« Reply #241 on: July 17, 2009, 01:16:30 PM »

Harding Takes a Fall

29. Warren G. Harding (R-OH): March 4, 1921-August 2, 1923
30. Albert Fall (R-NM): August 2, 1923-March 4, 1925

31. Cordell Hull (D-TN): March 4, 1925-March 4, 1933
32. Herbert Hoover (R-IA): March 4, 1933-January 20, 1941
33. Kenneth Wherry (R-NE): January 20, 1941-January 20, 1949

34. Albert “Happy” Chandler (D-KY): January 20, 1949-January 20, 1957
35. Irving Ives (R-NY): January 20, 1957-February 24, 1962
36. Earl Warren (R-CA): February 24, 1962-November 22, 1963
37. Charles Halleck (R-MI): November 22, 1963-January 20, 1965

38. Hale Boggs (D-LA): January 20, 1965-July 18, 1969
39. Ronald Reagan (D-CA): July 19, 1969-January 20, 1977

40. Charles Percy (R-IL): January 20, 1977-January 20, 1985
41. Robert F. Kennedy (D-MA): January 20, 1985-June 6, 1990
42. James E. Carter (D-GA): June 6, 1990-January 20, 1993

43. Bill Bradley (R-NJ): January 20, 1993-January 20, 2001
44. Rudolph Giuliani (D-NY): January 20, 2001-January 20, 2009
45. Ray Nagin (R-LA): January 20, 2009-Present

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30. When President Fall’s name surfaced in the Teapot Dome scandal, the Republicans were doomed. Cordell Hull and the Democrats capitalized and won a landslide victory in 1924.

31. Hull had an uneventful first term. But his second was marked by the stock market crash in October 1929 and his inaction in the face of an impending recession which would have been worse if he did not veto the Smoot-Hawley bill raising tariffs. The Republicans won back majorities in Congress in the 1930 elections.

32. Hoover won a landslide victory over the hapless Democratic nominee, Vice President John Davis, by promising a New Deal for the American people and “a chicken in every pot.” In his first hundred days in office, Hoover pushed for passage of landmark banking reforms, the Securities Exchange Act, interstate highway construction, and rural electrification. After defeating Governor Alfred Smith in a landslide in 1936 (Hoover even won Florida, Texas, Virginia, and North Carolina), Hoover had the political capital to pursue more legislation. The Civil Rights Act of 1937 would end institutional discrimination against racial minorities, lynching and the poll tax. To this day, blacks and Hispanics are the most loyal supporters of the Republicans. With war brewing in Europe in 1938, Hoover was tempted to seek a third term in 1940 but decided to honor the two term tradition. He hoped that Vice President William Borah would succeed him as President but Borah died on January 19, 1940. The Republicans nominated Senator Kenneth Wherry and he offered the Vice Presidency to Mayor Fiorello LaGuardia of New York City. After LaGuardia refused, Governor Theodore Roosevelt Jr. of New York accepted. Wherry defeated Senator Earl Long (D-LA) in 1940.

33. As President, Wherry continued Hoover’s isolationist policies but that came to an end when the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor in 1942. The USA entered World War II on the side of the Allies. On July 12, 1944, Vice President Roosevelt died of a heart attack. The Republicans nominated Secretary of State Morgan Larson for Vice President. Wherry won reelection against the Democratic nominee, Governor Franklin D. Roosevelt of New York. In 1945, World War II ended when President Wherry ordered atomic bombs dropped on Hiroshima, Kyoto and Nagasaki which forced the Japanese to surrender. With the country switching to a peacetime economy, the recession began in 1946 and it hurt the Republicans in the midterm elections. In 1948, the Republicans nominated General Douglas MacArthur for President and Senator Styles Bridges of New Hampshire for Vice President. The country tired of 16 years of Republican Presidents and MacArthur’s speeches about using atomic bombs against the Chinese and Russians turned off voters.

35. Died in office and succeeded by his Vice President Earl Warren.

36. President Warren was assassinated in Los Angeles. He traveled to California to raise money for the Republicans and to mend fences between its conservative and progressive wings. With the Vice Presidency vacant, Speaker of the House Charles Halleck became President and he announced that he would not run for the office in 1964.

38. First Roman Catholic President. Boggs died when Air Force One crashed over the Boston Harbor. He was on his way to visit Senator John F. Kennedy. When Vice President Reagan moved up to the Presidency, he selected Kennedy for Vice President.

39. President Reagan was able to win the Vietnam War with honor and push tax cuts which grew the economy. He won a landslide 49 state victory over Senator George McGovern (R-SD) in 1972. Vice President Kennedy became the frontrunner for the nomination in 1976 but his struggles with Addison’s disease resulted in a stroke in 1975 which resulted in his death that year.

41. Bobby Kennedy was elected to his brother’s Senate seat in 1970 and served there until his election as President in 1984. Bobby was also a diabetic and suffered a fatal heart attack in 1990.

42. President Carter won high praise for handling the Persian Gulf War that freed Kuwait and ended the regime of Saddam Hussein. His popularity ratings peaked at 86 percent by 1991. But insurgencies against American troops in Iraq would lead to his defeat to Bill Bradley who promises to bring the troops home. His running mate was former Attorney General and Senator Bill Clinton (R-IL).

44. Attorney General in the Kennedy and Carter administrations and Governor of New York, Giuliani won the Democratic nomination in 2000 and made history with his choice of a female running mate, Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison (D-TX). Giuliani’s first term was marked by the terrorist destruction of the World Trade Center on September 11, 2001. A coalition of US, Canadian, British, French and ANZAC troops invaded Afghanistan, removed the Taliban from power and put al-Qaeda out of business. Osama bin Laden was killed in a gun battle in Tora Bora. Taliban leader Muhammad Omar and the high ranking al-Qaeda leadership were captured and held at Guantanamo Bay. After defeating Governor Howard Dean (R-VT) in a 48 state landslide in 2004, Giuliani set his sights on Iran and started a war when President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad announced his country tested its nuclear weapons. Canada, Australia, New Zealand and France refused to go to war unless Iran struck first. But the British stuck with the US and started a war with Iran. Victory was declared after the nuclear reactor in Hormuz was struck. The unpopularity of the war and President Giuliani’s lack of action during Hurricane Katrina in 2005 resulted in a Republican rout in the 2006 elections. Ray Nagin, former New Orleans mayor and first Republican Senator from Louisiana since Reconstruction, swept the Super Tuesday primaries in the south and clinched the nomination. With his running mate, Governor Kathleen Sebelius (R-KS), Nagin defeated Vice President Hutchison to become the nation’s first African-American President.
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« Reply #242 on: July 17, 2009, 03:28:05 PM »

1961-1967 : John F. Kennedy (D-MA) / Lyndon Johnson (D-TX) *
1967-1973 : Lyndon Johnson (D-TX) / George McGovern (D-SD)

1973-1977 :  Richard Nixon (R-CA) / Spiro Agnew (R-MD)
1977-1985 : Robert Kennedy (D-NY) / Jimmy Carter (D-GA)
1985-1993 : Thad Cochran (R-MS) / Ronald Reagan (R-CA)
1993-1999 : Chic Hecht (R-NV) / Jack Kemp (R-NY) *
1999-2005 : Jack Kemp (R-NY) / Bob Dole (R-KS)

2005-2008 : Bill Clinton (D-KY) / John Kerry (D-RI) *
2008-2009 : John Kerry (D-RI) / Tom Ridge (D-PA)
2009-Current : Hillary Clinton (D-NH) / John Edwards (D-VA)

* JFK shot in Dallas
* Hecht dies of heart attack, continuing the senator's curse
* B. Clinton dies  after being shot on campaign trail. Also continuing the senator's curse
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« Reply #243 on: July 17, 2009, 03:48:26 PM »

1961-1967 : John F. Kennedy (D-MA) / Lyndon Johnson (D-TX) *
1967-1973 : Lyndon Johnson (D-TX) / George McGovern (D-SD)

1973-1977 :  Richard Nixon (R-CA) / Spiro Agnew (R-MD)
1977-1985 : Robert Kennedy (D-NY) / Jimmy Carter (D-GA)
1985-1993 : Thad Cochran (R-MS) / Ronald Reagan (R-CA)
1993-1999 : Chic Hecht (R-NV) / Jack Kemp (R-NY) *
1999-2005 : Jack Kemp (R-NY) / Bob Dole (R-KS)

2005-2008 : Bill Clinton (D-KY) / John Kerry (D-RI) *
2008-2009 : John Kerry (D-RI) / Tom Ridge (D-PA)
2009-Current : Hillary Clinton (D-NH) / John Edwards (D-VA)

* JFK shot in Dallas
* Hecht dies of heart attack, continuing the senator's curse
* B. Clinton dies  after being shot on campaign trail. Also continuing the senator's curse

Don't you mean Reagan/Cochran?
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« Reply #244 on: July 17, 2009, 07:14:17 PM »

1961-1967 : John F. Kennedy (D-MA) / Lyndon Johnson (D-TX) *
1967-1973 : Lyndon Johnson (D-TX) / George McGovern (D-SD)

1973-1977 :  Richard Nixon (R-CA) / Spiro Agnew (R-MD)
1977-1985 : Robert Kennedy (D-NY) / Jimmy Carter (D-GA)
1985-1993 : Thad Cochran (R-MS) / Ronald Reagan (R-CA)
1993-1999 : Chic Hecht (R-NV) / Jack Kemp (R-NY) *
1999-2005 : Jack Kemp (R-NY) / Bob Dole (R-KS)

2005-2008 : Bill Clinton (D-KY) / John Kerry (D-RI) *
2008-2009 : John Kerry (D-RI) / Tom Ridge (D-PA)
2009-Current : Hillary Clinton (D-NH) / John Edwards (D-VA)

* JFK shot in Dallas
* Hecht dies of heart attack, continuing the senator's curse
* B. Clinton dies  after being shot on campaign trail. Also continuing the senator's curse

Don't you mean Reagan/Cochran?

No Cochran  / Reagan
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« Reply #245 on: July 19, 2009, 12:19:31 AM »

Cuomo victory in '88
Ronald W. Reagan (R-CA) / George H.W. Bush (R-TX): 1981-1989
Mario M. Cuomo (D-NY) /  Albert A. Gore (D-TN): 1989-1997
Richard G. Lugar (R-IN) / Connie A. Mack III (R-FL): 1997-2003*
Connie A. Mack III (R-FL) / John S. McCain (R-AZ): 2003-2009
Lawrence D. Wilder (D-VA) / John F. Kerry (D-MA): 2009- present**

*Dies of heart attack while in office
** First African-American President


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« Reply #246 on: July 19, 2009, 12:24:41 AM »

Cuomo victory in '88
Ronald W. Reagan (R-CA) / George H.W. Bush (R-TX): 1981-1989
Mario M. Cuomo (D-NY) /  Albert A. Gore (D-TN): 1989-1997
Richard G. Lugar (R-IN) / Connie A. Mack III (R-FL): 1997-2003*
Connie A. Mack III (R-FL) / John S. McCain (R-AZ): 2003-2009
Lawrence D. Wilder (D-VA) / John F. Kerry (D-MA): 2009- present**

*Dies of heart attack while in office
** First African-American President

Isn't Wilder in his 80s?



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« Reply #247 on: July 19, 2009, 08:53:01 AM »

Ford accepted Reagan V.P. nomination

38. Gerald R. Ford (R-MI), August 6, 1974 - January 20, 1977
39. James E. Carter (D-GA), January 20, 1977 - January 20, 1981
40. Ronald W. Reagan (R-CA), January 20 - March 31, 1981
41. Gerald R. Ford (R-MI), March 31, 1981 - January 20, 1985
42. George H. W. Bush (R-TX), January 20, 1985 - January 20, 1989
43. Walter F. Mondale (D-MN), January 20, 1989 - January 20, 1997
44. Albert A. Gore, Jr. (D-TN), January 20, 1997 - January 20, 2001
45. John S. McCain (R-AZ), January 20, 2001 - January 20, 2009
47. John F. Kerry (D-MA), January 20, 2009 - present

40 - Assassinated
41 - One of just two Presidents who served non-consensutive terms and only who did it without even being elected President at least once. Ford was eglible to run for re-election in 1984 but declined in favor of V.P. Bush
43 - Mondale decided to skip 1984 and allow Hart to get swallowed by Bush. He himself beat Bush in 1988
42, 44 - Defeated for reelection
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« Reply #248 on: July 19, 2009, 12:16:59 PM »

1945-1953: Henry Wallace (D)
1953-1959: Robert Taft (R)
1959-1974: Gus Hall (C)
1974-1988: Lyndon LaRouche (C)
1988-1999: Bill Ayers (C)
1999-2000: Angela Davis (C)
2000-2008: Peter Camejo (C)
2008-  : Mitt Romney (C)

D = Democratic Party
R = Republican Party
C = Communist Party

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1953-1957: Joseph McCarthy (R)
1957-1961: Richard Nixon (R)
1961-1972: J. Edgar Hoover (AP)
1972-1985: George Wallace (AP)
1985-1993: Gordon Liddy (AP)
1993-1995: Pat Buchanan (AP)
1995-1997: John McCain (AP)
1997-2001: Dennis Kucinich (F)
2001-2005: Russ Feingold (F)
2005-2009: Howard Dean (F)
2009-  : Olympia Snowe (M)

R = Republican Party
AP = American Patriot Party
F = Freedom Party
M = Moderate Party
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« Reply #249 on: July 19, 2009, 12:20:09 PM »

President Romney of the Communist Party? He would go everywhere and "believe" in anything just to gain a power Smiley
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