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« on: March 06, 2023, 11:22:45 PM »
« edited: March 11, 2023, 10:18:12 PM by MargieCat »

She's leaving the Biden administration.

Yesterday, she told Al Sharpton that she has not ruled out another run for office.

I wonder if she is thinking of running in 2026 for governor?

Maybe an Atlanta area house seat?
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« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2023, 11:40:45 PM »
« Edited: March 06, 2023, 11:56:13 PM by Peltola for God Empress »

David Scott is in his late 70s and Hank Johnson will be 70 next election, so either of them could retire.
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« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2023, 11:43:01 PM »

She'll be the Democratic nominee for Governor in 2026 if she wants it.

Otherwise, possibly a Senate seat is in her future (Harris/Warnock and Harris/Ossoff are both very plausible tickets, either for 2024 or 2028).
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« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2023, 03:50:13 AM »

She would not win statewide office. I don’t see her holding any office ever.
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« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2023, 04:44:47 AM »

None. It's unclear why people on this forum are fascinated with her. In the 2017 mayoral election she barely beat Mary Norwood, who was unable to state definitively that she was not a Republican. She's not good at electoral politics and if we ever hear from her again it'll be because she's in a corporate job.
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« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2023, 11:46:59 AM »

She'll be the Democratic nominee for Governor in 2026 if she wants it.

Otherwise, possibly a Senate seat is in her future (Harris/Warnock and Harris/Ossoff are both very plausible tickets, either for 2024 or 2028).

I don’t think she’ll be the Gubernatorial nominee. I think Lucy McBath gets that.
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« Reply #6 on: March 07, 2023, 11:03:08 PM »

None. It's unclear why people on this forum are fascinated with her. In the 2017 mayoral election she barely beat Mary Norwood, who was unable to state definitively that she was not a Republican. She's not good at electoral politics and if we ever hear from her again it'll be because she's in a corporate job.

This is largely correct, but Mary Norwood is an excellent retail politician who put in the work representing all Atlantans on the City Council for 12+ years.  She came within 1,000 votes of beating Kasim Reed in 2009. 
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« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2023, 11:15:09 PM »

She would not win statewide office. I don’t see her holding any office ever.

None. It's unclear why people on this forum are fascinated with her. In the 2017 mayoral election she barely beat Mary Norwood, who was unable to state definitively that she was not a Republican. She's not good at electoral politics and if we ever hear from her again it'll be because she's in a corporate job.

I completely agree with these assessments. Beyond state legislature or whatever, I can't see her holding any other elected office again. She quit after 1 term when she would've had no problem seeking re-election and instead took an appointed role, only to quit that not long after. She wants the money now.



The only area I take some issue is with the Mary Norwood part. She also came in first (46%) in Round 1 in the 2009 mayoral election and caused a recount with Kasim Reed in the runoff, garnering 49.6% - the very same percentage she got against KLB in 2017 in the runoff.

Norwood was a very good campaigner and honestly had some legitimate claims to being independent. ATL is also a very bifurcated city along racial and class lines (though I repeat myself). Additionally, ATL is one of the gayest major cities in the country - around 15% LGBT - and Norwood has true LGBT community bonafides dating back decades: certainly more than the average black ATL Democrat. Lots of wealthy gay liberals were enthusiastic about backing her both times and this group punches above its weight in off-year municipals. This specific dynamic cannot be overstated.

Take income, race, sexual orientation, officially non-partisan labeling and turnout differentials in the city, and it's not hard to see how an 80% Democratic city could shift to a 55/45 result in a 1v1 outcome. Norwood's campaign skills were responsible for the rest. I don't think KLB did all that bad given these localized and specific scenarios, but it's clear she's done with elected politics and doesn't have an innate skill-set for it.
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« Reply #8 on: March 07, 2023, 11:28:13 PM »

None. It's unclear why people on this forum are fascinated with her. In the 2017 mayoral election she barely beat Mary Norwood, who was unable to state definitively that she was not a Republican. She's not good at electoral politics and if we ever hear from her again it'll be because she's in a corporate job.

This is largely correct, but Mary Norwood is an excellent retail politician who put in the work representing all Atlantans on the City Council for 12+ years.  She came within 1,000 votes of beating Kasim Reed in 2009.  

I agree, but I'd point out that Reed was also an unimpressive opponent. Typically urban political machines don't churn out electoral juggernauts. It's telling that out of the four black candidates to win statewide elected office in Georgia (Thurbert Baker, David Burgess, Mike Thurmond, and Raphael Warnock), all lived in the Atlanta area but none were Atlanta politicians: Baker and Thurmond are from DeKalb County, while Burgess and Warnock were not politicians. I am skeptical that the state electorate would be receptive to anyone from Atlanta's ruling class.
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« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2023, 11:41:37 PM »

Didn't Mary Norwood sign an affidavit in support of one of Trump's lawsuits to overturn Georgia's results?
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« Reply #10 on: March 08, 2023, 11:41:33 AM »

None. It's unclear why people on this forum are fascinated with her. In the 2017 mayoral election she barely beat Mary Norwood, who was unable to state definitively that she was not a Republican. She's not good at electoral politics and if we ever hear from her again it'll be because she's in a corporate job.

This is largely correct, but Mary Norwood is an excellent retail politician who put in the work representing all Atlantans on the City Council for 12+ years.  She came within 1,000 votes of beating Kasim Reed in 2009. 

I agree, but I'd point out that Reed was also an unimpressive opponent. Typically urban political machines don't churn out electoral juggernauts. It's telling that out of the four black candidates to win statewide elected office in Georgia (Thurbert Baker, David Burgess, Mike Thurmond, and Raphael Warnock), all lived in the Atlanta area but none were Atlanta politicians: Baker and Thurmond are from DeKalb County, while Burgess and Warnock were not politicians. I am skeptical that the state electorate would be receptive to anyone from Atlanta's ruling class.

I don't think that dynamic is unique to Georgia, however.  Politicos who cut their teeth at the local level just don't work with an issue set that is very transferable to statewide or Federal office.  The list of mayors who are able to successfully run statewide is quite small (I can currently only think of O'Malley and Hickenlooper as two, recent examples.) 
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« Reply #11 on: March 08, 2023, 02:11:20 PM »

None. It's unclear why people on this forum are fascinated with her. In the 2017 mayoral election she barely beat Mary Norwood, who was unable to state definitively that she was not a Republican. She's not good at electoral politics and if we ever hear from her again it'll be because she's in a corporate job.

This is largely correct, but Mary Norwood is an excellent retail politician who put in the work representing all Atlantans on the City Council for 12+ years.  She came within 1,000 votes of beating Kasim Reed in 2009. 

I agree, but I'd point out that Reed was also an unimpressive opponent. Typically urban political machines don't churn out electoral juggernauts. It's telling that out of the four black candidates to win statewide elected office in Georgia (Thurbert Baker, David Burgess, Mike Thurmond, and Raphael Warnock), all lived in the Atlanta area but none were Atlanta politicians: Baker and Thurmond are from DeKalb County, while Burgess and Warnock were not politicians. I am skeptical that the state electorate would be receptive to anyone from Atlanta's ruling class.

I don't think that dynamic is unique to Georgia, however.  Politicos who cut their teeth at the local level just don't work with an issue set that is very transferable to statewide or Federal office.  The list of mayors who are able to successfully run statewide is quite small (I can currently only think of O'Malley and Hickenlooper as two, recent examples.) 
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« Reply #12 on: March 08, 2023, 02:51:56 PM »

She would not win statewide office. I don’t see her holding any office ever.

I think you're right. She might be the gubernatorial nominee in 2026, but she might very well lose even with Ossoff holding on. Unless the Republicans nominate a complete wacko. Brad Raffensberger might even beat her in a Republican midterm. And I actually like her.
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« Reply #13 on: March 08, 2023, 07:56:43 PM »

The Biden administration want to keep her on for its 2024 re-election campaign:

Keisha Lance Bottoms is leaving the W.H. but Biden team eyes 2024 role for her

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« Reply #14 on: March 09, 2023, 11:59:50 AM »

None. It's unclear why people on this forum are fascinated with her. In the 2017 mayoral election she barely beat Mary Norwood, who was unable to state definitively that she was not a Republican. She's not good at electoral politics and if we ever hear from her again it'll be because she's in a corporate job.

This is largely correct, but Mary Norwood is an excellent retail politician who put in the work representing all Atlantans on the City Council for 12+ years.  She came within 1,000 votes of beating Kasim Reed in 2009. 

I agree, but I'd point out that Reed was also an unimpressive opponent. Typically urban political machines don't churn out electoral juggernauts. It's telling that out of the four black candidates to win statewide elected office in Georgia (Thurbert Baker, David Burgess, Mike Thurmond, and Raphael Warnock), all lived in the Atlanta area but none were Atlanta politicians: Baker and Thurmond are from DeKalb County, while Burgess and Warnock were not politicians. I am skeptical that the state electorate would be receptive to anyone from Atlanta's ruling class.

I don't think that dynamic is unique to Georgia, however.  Politicos who cut their teeth at the local level just don't work with an issue set that is very transferable to statewide or Federal office.  The list of mayors who are able to successfully run statewide is quite small (I can currently only think of O'Malley and Hickenlooper as two, recent examples.) 
Uh, Bernie Sanders?
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« Reply #15 on: March 09, 2023, 12:08:14 PM »

None. It's unclear why people on this forum are fascinated with her. In the 2017 mayoral election she barely beat Mary Norwood, who was unable to state definitively that she was not a Republican. She's not good at electoral politics and if we ever hear from her again it'll be because she's in a corporate job.

This is largely correct, but Mary Norwood is an excellent retail politician who put in the work representing all Atlantans on the City Council for 12+ years.  She came within 1,000 votes of beating Kasim Reed in 2009. 

I agree, but I'd point out that Reed was also an unimpressive opponent. Typically urban political machines don't churn out electoral juggernauts. It's telling that out of the four black candidates to win statewide elected office in Georgia (Thurbert Baker, David Burgess, Mike Thurmond, and Raphael Warnock), all lived in the Atlanta area but none were Atlanta politicians: Baker and Thurmond are from DeKalb County, while Burgess and Warnock were not politicians. I am skeptical that the state electorate would be receptive to anyone from Atlanta's ruling class.

I don't think that dynamic is unique to Georgia, however.  Politicos who cut their teeth at the local level just don't work with an issue set that is very transferable to statewide or Federal office.  The list of mayors who are able to successfully run statewide is quite small (I can currently only think of O'Malley and Hickenlooper as two, recent examples.) 
Uh, Bernie Sanders?

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« Reply #16 on: March 09, 2023, 12:52:16 PM »

None. It's unclear why people on this forum are fascinated with her. In the 2017 mayoral election she barely beat Mary Norwood, who was unable to state definitively that she was not a Republican. She's not good at electoral politics and if we ever hear from her again it'll be because she's in a corporate job.

This is largely correct, but Mary Norwood is an excellent retail politician who put in the work representing all Atlantans on the City Council for 12+ years.  She came within 1,000 votes of beating Kasim Reed in 2009. 

I agree, but I'd point out that Reed was also an unimpressive opponent. Typically urban political machines don't churn out electoral juggernauts. It's telling that out of the four black candidates to win statewide elected office in Georgia (Thurbert Baker, David Burgess, Mike Thurmond, and Raphael Warnock), all lived in the Atlanta area but none were Atlanta politicians: Baker and Thurmond are from DeKalb County, while Burgess and Warnock were not politicians. I am skeptical that the state electorate would be receptive to anyone from Atlanta's ruling class.

I don't think that dynamic is unique to Georgia, however.  Politicos who cut their teeth at the local level just don't work with an issue set that is very transferable to statewide or Federal office.  The list of mayors who are able to successfully run statewide is quite small (I can currently only think of O'Malley and Hickenlooper as two, recent examples.) 
Uh, Bernie Sanders?

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« Reply #17 on: March 09, 2023, 12:54:51 PM »

None. It's unclear why people on this forum are fascinated with her. In the 2017 mayoral election she barely beat Mary Norwood, who was unable to state definitively that she was not a Republican. She's not good at electoral politics and if we ever hear from her again it'll be because she's in a corporate job.

This is largely correct, but Mary Norwood is an excellent retail politician who put in the work representing all Atlantans on the City Council for 12+ years.  She came within 1,000 votes of beating Kasim Reed in 2009. 

I agree, but I'd point out that Reed was also an unimpressive opponent. Typically urban political machines don't churn out electoral juggernauts. It's telling that out of the four black candidates to win statewide elected office in Georgia (Thurbert Baker, David Burgess, Mike Thurmond, and Raphael Warnock), all lived in the Atlanta area but none were Atlanta politicians: Baker and Thurmond are from DeKalb County, while Burgess and Warnock were not politicians. I am skeptical that the state electorate would be receptive to anyone from Atlanta's ruling class.

I don't think that dynamic is unique to Georgia, however.  Politicos who cut their teeth at the local level just don't work with an issue set that is very transferable to statewide or Federal office.  The list of mayors who are able to successfully run statewide is quite small (I can currently only think of O'Malley and Hickenlooper as two, recent examples.) 
Uh, Bernie Sanders?

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« Reply #18 on: March 09, 2023, 01:58:33 PM »

None. It's unclear why people on this forum are fascinated with her. In the 2017 mayoral election she barely beat Mary Norwood, who was unable to state definitively that she was not a Republican. She's not good at electoral politics and if we ever hear from her again it'll be because she's in a corporate job.

This is largely correct, but Mary Norwood is an excellent retail politician who put in the work representing all Atlantans on the City Council for 12+ years.  She came within 1,000 votes of beating Kasim Reed in 2009. 

I agree, but I'd point out that Reed was also an unimpressive opponent. Typically urban political machines don't churn out electoral juggernauts. It's telling that out of the four black candidates to win statewide elected office in Georgia (Thurbert Baker, David Burgess, Mike Thurmond, and Raphael Warnock), all lived in the Atlanta area but none were Atlanta politicians: Baker and Thurmond are from DeKalb County, while Burgess and Warnock were not politicians. I am skeptical that the state electorate would be receptive to anyone from Atlanta's ruling class.

I don't think that dynamic is unique to Georgia, however.  Politicos who cut their teeth at the local level just don't work with an issue set that is very transferable to statewide or Federal office.  The list of mayors who are able to successfully run statewide is quite small (I can currently only think of O'Malley and Hickenlooper as two, recent examples.) 
Uh, Bernie Sanders?

Richard Lugar.


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John Fetterman, Bill Haslam and Dan Malloy.
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« Reply #19 on: March 09, 2023, 03:51:12 PM »

None. It's unclear why people on this forum are fascinated with her. In the 2017 mayoral election she barely beat Mary Norwood, who was unable to state definitively that she was not a Republican. She's not good at electoral politics and if we ever hear from her again it'll be because she's in a corporate job.

This is largely correct, but Mary Norwood is an excellent retail politician who put in the work representing all Atlantans on the City Council for 12+ years.  She came within 1,000 votes of beating Kasim Reed in 2009. 

I agree, but I'd point out that Reed was also an unimpressive opponent. Typically urban political machines don't churn out electoral juggernauts. It's telling that out of the four black candidates to win statewide elected office in Georgia (Thurbert Baker, David Burgess, Mike Thurmond, and Raphael Warnock), all lived in the Atlanta area but none were Atlanta politicians: Baker and Thurmond are from DeKalb County, while Burgess and Warnock were not politicians. I am skeptical that the state electorate would be receptive to anyone from Atlanta's ruling class.

I don't think that dynamic is unique to Georgia, however.  Politicos who cut their teeth at the local level just don't work with an issue set that is very transferable to statewide or Federal office.  The list of mayors who are able to successfully run statewide is quite small (I can currently only think of O'Malley and Hickenlooper as two, recent examples.) 
Uh, Bernie Sanders?

Richard Lugar.


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John Fetterman, Bill Haslam and Dan Malloy.

That this list includes John Fetterman, who was never involved in a municipal election where more than 500 votes were cast, does not do much to disprove the point it's trying to rebut.
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« Reply #20 on: March 09, 2023, 04:14:31 PM »

The one place where there seems to have been an abnormal amount of success for local politicians seeking statewide office is Tennessee - in the 2000s we saw mayors of Nashville, Chattanooga, and Knoxville all elected governor or senator.
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« Reply #21 on: March 10, 2023, 12:30:53 PM »

She'll be the Democratic nominee for Governor in 2026 if she wants it.

Otherwise, possibly a Senate seat is in her future (Harris/Warnock and Harris/Ossoff are both very plausible tickets, either for 2024 or 2028).

Neither of those are plausible tickets unless the democrats are trying a doubling down kind of strategy.
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« Reply #22 on: March 11, 2023, 07:00:24 AM »

None. It's unclear why people on this forum are fascinated with her. In the 2017 mayoral election she barely beat Mary Norwood, who was unable to state definitively that she was not a Republican. She's not good at electoral politics and if we ever hear from her again it'll be because she's in a corporate job.

This is largely correct, but Mary Norwood is an excellent retail politician who put in the work representing all Atlantans on the City Council for 12+ years.  She came within 1,000 votes of beating Kasim Reed in 2009. 

I agree, but I'd point out that Reed was also an unimpressive opponent. Typically urban political machines don't churn out electoral juggernauts. It's telling that out of the four black candidates to win statewide elected office in Georgia (Thurbert Baker, David Burgess, Mike Thurmond, and Raphael Warnock), all lived in the Atlanta area but none were Atlanta politicians: Baker and Thurmond are from DeKalb County, while Burgess and Warnock were not politicians. I am skeptical that the state electorate would be receptive to anyone from Atlanta's ruling class.

I don't think that dynamic is unique to Georgia, however.  Politicos who cut their teeth at the local level just don't work with an issue set that is very transferable to statewide or Federal office.  The list of mayors who are able to successfully run statewide is quite small (I can currently only think of O'Malley and Hickenlooper as two, recent examples.) 
Uh, Bernie Sanders?

Richard Lugar.


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John Fetterman, Bill Haslam and Dan Malloy.

That this list includes John Fetterman, who was never involved in a municipal election where more than 500 votes were cast, does not do much to disprove the point it's trying to rebut.
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« Reply #23 on: March 11, 2023, 12:29:42 PM »

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« Reply #24 on: March 12, 2023, 06:15:12 PM »

None. It's unclear why people on this forum are fascinated with her. In the 2017 mayoral election she barely beat Mary Norwood, who was unable to state definitively that she was not a Republican. She's not good at electoral politics and if we ever hear from her again it'll be because she's in a corporate job.

This is largely correct, but Mary Norwood is an excellent retail politician who put in the work representing all Atlantans on the City Council for 12+ years.  She came within 1,000 votes of beating Kasim Reed in 2009. 

I agree, but I'd point out that Reed was also an unimpressive opponent. Typically urban political machines don't churn out electoral juggernauts. It's telling that out of the four black candidates to win statewide elected office in Georgia (Thurbert Baker, David Burgess, Mike Thurmond, and Raphael Warnock), all lived in the Atlanta area but none were Atlanta politicians: Baker and Thurmond are from DeKalb County, while Burgess and Warnock were not politicians. I am skeptical that the state electorate would be receptive to anyone from Atlanta's ruling class.

I don't think that dynamic is unique to Georgia, however.  Politicos who cut their teeth at the local level just don't work with an issue set that is very transferable to statewide or Federal office.  The list of mayors who are able to successfully run statewide is quite small (I can currently only think of O'Malley and Hickenlooper as two, recent examples.) 
Uh, Bernie Sanders?

Exceptions only prove the rule. 

Pete Wilson.  Dianne Feinstein. Gavin Newsom.  Jerry Brown (lesser extent).  Tim Kaine.

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