What is the argument for not allowing Russia+Ukraine into NATO?

[TheReckoning]

How would admitting Russia+Ukraine into NATO decrease the quality of life of people?

[Buffalo Mayor Young Kim]

Because Russia is an authoritarian dictatorship currently engaged in a war of territorial conquest in Ukraine.

[pppolitics]

NATO countries don't normally invade other NATO countries.

[TheReckoning]

NATO countries don't normally invade other NATO countries.

Yeah, exactly. If they were both in NATO before 2022, this war would’ve been avoided and 100,000+ lives saved.

[CumbrianLefty]

There may well have been a time for inviting Russia in, but that passed long before Feb 24th last year.

[Middle-aged Europe]

NATO countries don't normally invade other NATO countries.

Yeah, exactly. If they were both in NATO before 2022, this war would’ve been avoided and 100,000+ lives saved.

Russia's invasion of Georgia in '08 and the annexation of Crimea in '14 pretty much ruled that out.

So we'we talking about admitting NATO before 2008.

That's something that wasn't done, but tbh not even Albania, Croatia, Montenegro, and Macedonia were NATO members at that point.

What was done instead is admitting Russia to the G7/G8 and the WTO. And look how much good that did.

I think you are trying to retroactively fix something here that was unfixable.

[Woody]

Because Russia is an authoritarian dictatorship currently engaged in a war of territorial conquest in Ukraine.

So is Turkey.

[Middle-aged Europe]

Because Russia is an authoritarian dictatorship currently engaged in a war of territorial conquest in Ukraine.

So is Turkey.

Turkey isn't currently engaged in a war of territorial conquest in Ukraine.

And unfortunately, as the case of Turkey proves, it is practically impossible to throw a nation out of NATO once it had been admitted as a member. This further underlines why Russia shouldn't have made a NATO member.

[Woody]

Because Russia is an authoritarian dictatorship currently engaged in a war of territorial conquest in Ukraine.

So is Turkey.

Turkey isn't currently engaged in a war of territorial conquest in Ukraine.

And unfortunately, as the case of Turkey proves, it is practically impossible to throw a nation out of NATO once it had been admitted as a member. This further underlines why Russia shouldn't have made a NATO member.

De facto yes, but in Syria.

[Skill and Chance]

Ummm... because it would instantly start WWIII?

[Woody]

Galaxy brain take - let every country into NATO.

Instant world peace

[TheReckoning]

The only reason why Greece and Turkey haven’t gone to war is because of NATO and nothing more.

[John Dule]

Russia would have used membership to gather all available information about NATO defense strategy and technology and would have then promptly withdrawn to wage a better-coordinated war in Ukraine.