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« on: January 18, 2023, 01:02:23 AM »




Given how much the Republican electorate in MS is dominated by non college whites, this is not a good poll for Trump at all.
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« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2023, 11:49:31 AM »

It's dominated by southern evangelicals though which should be DeSantis's bread and butter. Trump dominates among non-religious whites.
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« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2023, 12:05:28 PM »

It's dominated by southern evangelicals though which should be DeSantis's bread and butter. Trump dominates among non-religious whites.

Btw Trump did way better in MS in 2016 than he did in other southern states in terms of raw% of the vote . Trump share of the vote was actually higher than Cruz + Rubio combined and given many Kasich supporters preferred Trump to Cruz in 16 , it’s very likely he’d have won an outright majority there last time .

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Mississippi_Republican_presidential_primary

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« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2023, 12:16:47 PM »

Trump is still the frontrunner. Accept it.
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« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2023, 12:29:59 PM »

Trump is still the frontrunner. Accept it.

Not if he is losing 2 of the early 4. We actually need polls from that
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« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2023, 01:07:06 PM »

It's dominated by southern evangelicals though which should be DeSantis's bread and butter. Trump dominates among non-religious whites.

I'm curious: what makes you think that they should be DeSantis's bread and butter? He's not the president who ended Roe v. Wade and his actions in Florida have not suggested that he's 100% pro-life.
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« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2023, 01:55:47 PM »

Given how much the Republican electorate in MS is dominated by non college whites, this is not a good poll for Trump at all.


That is true.
But is DeSantis really the candidate that can appeal to educated whites?
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« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2023, 02:01:05 PM »

Given how much the Republican electorate in MS is dominated by non college whites, this is not a good poll for Trump at all.


That is true.
But is DeSantis really the candidate that can appeal to educated whites?

He's polling really well with them and in 2022 did extremely well with them.
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« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2023, 02:14:40 PM »

Trump is still the frontrunner. Accept it.

He is, but to be fair Trump +7 in Mississippi is real bad.
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« Reply #9 on: January 18, 2023, 03:45:40 PM »

Given how much the Republican electorate in MS is dominated by non college whites, this is not a good poll for Trump at all.


That is true.
But is DeSantis really the candidate that can appeal to educated whites?

He's polling really well with them and in 2022 did extremely well with them.

Because he is currently the Not Trump candidate. Let's see how he fares when they learn that he is essentially Trump with smoother edges.
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« Reply #10 on: January 18, 2023, 03:49:51 PM »

Given how much the Republican electorate in MS is dominated by non college whites, this is not a good poll for Trump at all.


That is true.
But is DeSantis really the candidate that can appeal to educated whites?

He's polling really well with them and in 2022 did extremely well with them.

Because he is currently the Not Trump candidate. Let's see how he fares when they learn that he is essentially Trump with smoother edges.

So was Brian Kemp in 2018 and him beating the Trump candidate helped him a lot with college educated whites .

Also Trump gets re-elected in 2020 if he had smoother edges and doesn’t do as bad with college educated whites as he did in OTL
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« Reply #11 on: January 18, 2023, 03:51:28 PM »

Given how much the Republican electorate in MS is dominated by non college whites, this is not a good poll for Trump at all.


That is true.
But is DeSantis really the candidate that can appeal to educated whites?

He's polling really well with them and in 2022 did extremely well with them.

Because he is currently the Not Trump candidate. Let's see how he fares when they learn that he is essentially Trump with smoother edges.

So was Brian Kemp in 2018 and him beating the Trump candidate helped him a lot with college educated whites .

Also Trump gets re-elected in 2020 if he had smoother edges and doesn’t do as bad with college educated whites as he did in OTL

No. Trump voters only turn out for Trump. They don't care about any other candidate, no matter how Trumpy he is.
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« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2023, 03:58:09 PM »

Given how much the Republican electorate in MS is dominated by non college whites, this is not a good poll for Trump at all.


That is true.
But is DeSantis really the candidate that can appeal to educated whites?

He's polling really well with them and in 2022 did extremely well with them.

Because he is currently the Not Trump candidate. Let's see how he fares when they learn that he is essentially Trump with smoother edges.

So was Brian Kemp in 2018 and him beating the Trump candidate helped him a lot with college educated whites .

Also Trump gets re-elected in 2020 if he had smoother edges and doesn’t do as bad with college educated whites as he did in OTL

No. Trump voters only turn out for Trump. They don't care about any other candidate, no matter how Trumpy he is.

Kemp and DeSantis proved otherwise in 22

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« Reply #13 on: January 18, 2023, 06:13:46 PM »


What the heck are you talking about? Kemp was the devil incarnate for Trumpers.
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« Reply #14 on: January 18, 2023, 06:17:05 PM »


What the heck are you talking about? Kemp was the devil incarnate for Trumpers.

He still ended up doing very well with non college educated whites despite that hate while doing well with college educated whites, showing that its possible to do well with both. DeSantis/Youngkin/Kemp are all very very similar as they all have managed to actually appeal to both college and non college educated voters and the vast majority of their policies are similar.

The main differences is the vibes of Florida, Georgia and Virginia are all different but other than that all 3 are remarkably similar.
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« Reply #15 on: January 18, 2023, 06:20:27 PM »


What the heck are you talking about? Kemp was the devil incarnate for Trumpers.

He still ended up doing very well with non college educated whites despite that hate while doing well with college educated whites, showing that its possible to do well with both.

Yeah, the whole meme that there were hordes of Trump voters who wouldn't turn out for Kemp/Raffensperger because Trump hated them was nothing but wishcasting from liberals and hardcore Trump cultists.
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« Reply #16 on: January 19, 2023, 05:02:13 PM »

Here's some crosstabs:

Less than Bachelor's:
51% Trump
36% DeSantis

Bachelor's +:
53% DeSantis
27% Trump

18-34:
61% Trump
34% DeSantis

65+:
41% DeSantis
39% Trump

$100K+:
56% DeSantis
35% Trump

$50K-$100K:
52% Trump
35% DeSantis
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« Reply #17 on: January 19, 2023, 05:11:36 PM »

I'm just not convinced DeSantis will appeal to educated whites that are left in the GOP. I can't imagine his weird fixation on culture wars is winning him any brownie points.

Does he have any economic policy ideas or is he purely someone who obsesses over ostracizing the LGBTQ+ community, rails against CRT, and demonizes science? That's all I've ever heard about him, and I'll probably vote in the GOP primary this time around in SC if Biden runs again even if it's to write someone in.
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« Reply #18 on: January 19, 2023, 05:19:32 PM »

I'm just not convinced DeSantis will appeal to educated whites that are left in the GOP. I can't imagine his weird fixation on culture wars is winning him any brownie points.

Does he have any economic policy ideas or is he purely someone who obsesses over ostracizing the LGBTQ+ community, rails against CRT, and demonizes science?

In fact he has a good deal of economic policies , it’s just that USGD is culture war center so only culture war stuff he does gets any attention . Here is just a quick list of some of the economic stuff he has done:

- He has actually proposed policy to take on big phrama(I made a thread about this , but since it wasn’t  a culture war issue it barely got any posts )

- He has streamlined many regulatory agencies

- cut taxes for small businesses, and is pushing for family specific tax breaks this upcoming term as well

- has a energy policy which increases production using both renewable and non renewable sources

- Has proposed multiple policies to reduce corporate power and those policies if implemented actually would

- Is currently proposing a policy that would make it harder for businesses that are tied to the CCP to buy real estate in Florida .



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« Reply #19 on: January 25, 2023, 10:54:58 AM »

Trump is still the frontrunner. Accept it.

Not if he is losing 2 of the early 4. We actually need polls from that

Democratic nominees Bernie Sanders and Pete Buttigieg agree with you.
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« Reply #20 on: January 25, 2023, 01:24:09 PM »

Trump is still the frontrunner. Accept it.

Not if he is losing 2 of the early 4. We actually need polls from that

Democratic nominees Bernie Sanders and Pete Buttigieg agree with you.

Or Republican nominee Ted Cruz.
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« Reply #21 on: January 25, 2023, 01:26:01 PM »

Trump is still the frontrunner. Accept it.

Not if he is losing 2 of the early 4. We actually need polls from that

Democratic nominees Bernie Sanders and Pete Buttigieg agree with you.

Or Republican nominee Ted Cruz.

Trump won 3 of the early 4 in 2016
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« Reply #22 on: January 25, 2023, 01:26:53 PM »

Trump is still the frontrunner. Accept it.

Not if he is losing 2 of the early 4. We actually need polls from that

Democratic nominees Bernie Sanders and Pete Buttigieg agree with you.

Or Republican nominee Ted Cruz.

Trump won 3 of the early 4 in 2016

And he’ll probably win all 4 this time
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« Reply #23 on: January 25, 2023, 01:47:08 PM »

Trump is still the frontrunner. Accept it.

Not if he is losing 2 of the early 4. We actually need polls from that

Democratic nominees Bernie Sanders and Pete Buttigieg agree with you.

Or Republican nominee Ted Cruz.

Trump won 3 of the early 4 in 2016

And he’ll probably win all 4 this time

He’s actually not doing good in those polls
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« Reply #24 on: January 25, 2023, 08:08:53 PM »

Trump is still the frontrunner. Accept it.

Not if he is losing 2 of the early 4. We actually need polls from that

Democratic nominees Bernie Sanders and Pete Buttigieg agree with you.

Or Republican nominee Ted Cruz.

Trump won 3 of the early 4 in 2016

And he’ll probably win all 4 this time

He’s actually not doing good in those polls

“Polls” pushed by Patrick Ruffini and co.
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