Stop Hillary

[© tweed]

The grassroots are going to destroy Hillary just like they did to Lieberman.

so that's why Lieberman isn't in congress any more.

Irrelevant to the point made

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

The grassroots are going to destroy Hillary just like they did to Lieberman.

so that's why Lieberman isn't in congress any more.

Since Hillary can't get elected running as an independent, and the GOP candidate isn't going to be a total joke meaning most Republicans would vote for her, the analogy works.

[auburntiger]

Please nominate this woman!!!!

[Jake]

If any Democrat is elected, I really hope it's Hillary. Hillary against basically any Republican in the race is a win-win scenario.

[Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home.]

If any Democrat is elected, I really hope it's Hillary. Hillary against basically any Republican in the race is a win-win scenario.

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Hillary needs to stop pandering to people like jmfcst and Jake who would never ever vote for her.

[Deano963]

If any Democrat is elected, I really hope it's Hillary. Hillary against basically any Republican in the race is a win-win scenario.

If that was true (which it's not), then why have republicans been privately and dreadfully telling reporters that they fear Hillary can't be stopped? Why are they so depressed when they say this if Hillary is supposedly so conservative?

The answer is of course b/c they know she is center-left at best, but more than likely even more liberal, and that her election will mean the conservative agenda will come to a screaching halt. You are seriously deluded if you think a Hillary Clinton administration wil be, in any way whatsoever, a  good thing for the Republican Party.

[Rob]

then why have republicans been privately and dreadfully telling reporters that they fear Hillary can't be stopped? Why are they so depressed when they say this if Hillary is supposedly so conservative?

Because they're sore losers, and they can't stand the thought of any Democrat regaining the White House. This is the party that spent eight years trying to destroy the most conservative Democratic President since Grover Cleveland, after all.

But there are a few Republicans who will admit that if they must lose the White House to a Democrat, they'd prefer it to be Hillary. At the very least, she'll stay the course in Iraq; impose sanctions on Iran or actually invade; and stick to a cautious, poll-drive domestic program.

Republicans don't really mind prowar centrist Democrats, as the case of Joe Lieberman demonstrates. They will never vote for Hillary, but they'll raise a glass to her foreign policy all the same.

[Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home.]

Hillary needs to stop pandering to people like jmfcst and Jake who would never ever vote for her.

that is becaue jmfcst and Jake aren't fooled by this fe-male pretending to be a woman pretending to be a man

She is a feminist socialist.  Always has been, always will be.

[Jake]

If that was true (which it's not), then why have republicans been privately and dreadfully telling reporters that they fear Hillary can't be stopped? Why are they so depressed when they say this if Hillary is supposedly so conservative?

Most Republicans hate Hillary because they hate her husband. Simple as that. I'd imagine many are deluded enough to believe what they're spouting off, the rest are trying to make her as unelectable as possible so that a Republican can be elected.

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Which conservative agenda? The Religious Right's moral crusade will certainly be practically stopped if Hillary's elected, but the pro-business conservatives (at least those who aren't privatization and flat tax extremists) have nothing to be worried about.

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Now, I don't know where I said that, or even implied it in the least way. A Hillary administration would be good enough for America. She'll maintain the status-quo with the economy, not rocking the boat like an Edwards or Obama might; but most importantly she'll refuse to do anything as stupid as invading Iraq, while at the same time not wrecking US credibility with an immediate pullout from Iraq.

Jfraud's wrong of course. If the Republicans nominate a nutcase (basically anyone besides Guiliani, Romney, McCain, or Huckabee), I'd vote for Hillary basically because I've had enough of the extremist economic policies Republicans have been spouting and I don't want another neo-conservative White House.

Jmfsct is wrong as usual.

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Jfraud's wrong of course. If the Republicans nominate a nutcase (basically anyone besides Guiliani, Romney, McCain, or Huckabee), I'd vote for Hillary basically because I've had enough of the extremist economic policies Republicans have been spouting and I don't want another neo-conservative White House.

Jmfsct is wrong as usual.

The odds are that one of those Republicans will get the nomination.
Now let's suppose that someone else does. After a year of attacks on Hillary for whatever they can think of, would you still support her?

I remember Theking (or whatever his name was) was talking about how he'd support Kerry if the Democrats nominated him. Well, after Kerry got swift-boated, he changed his mind.

BTW, those Republicans are economically wacko too. McCain voted to get rid of the federal minimum wage right here:
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=1&vote=00024

Also, his comment about no Americans want to pick lettuce for $50 an hours was another sign that he is from the right-wing economic elite.

The other 3 might also be more right-wing than you think, but I don't know of any specifics off the top of my head.

[Deano963]

then why have republicans been privately and dreadfully telling reporters that they fear Hillary can't be stopped? Why are they so depressed when they say this if Hillary is supposedly so conservative?

 At the very least, she'll stay the course in Iraq; impose sanctions on Iran or actually invade; and stick to a cautious, poll-drive domestic program.
 

Please tell me you were high when you wrote that. You're deusional if you think she'll "stay the course" in Iraq.

[Deano963]

The answer is of course b/c they know she is center-left at best, but more than likely even more liberal, and that her election will mean the conservative agenda will come to a screaching halt.

Which conservative agenda? The Religious Right's moral crusade will certainly be practically stopped if Hillary's elected, but the pro-business conservatives (at least those who aren't privatization and flat tax extremists) have nothing to be worried about.

Again, you are flat wrong. Pro-business conservatives will not be able to get their legislation through the House or Senate in the first place, so Hillary won't matter. Hillary may be fairly pro-business (where you get the idea that she is some kind of Ben Nelson I have no idea but you are as usual, deluded), but that won't matter b/c the 110th Congress IS NOT a big-business, corporate-controlled body like the 109th was and neither will the 111th Congress be.

[Deano963]

You are seriously deluded if you think a Hillary Clinton administration wil be, in any way whatsoever, a  good thing for the Republican Party.

Now, I don't know where I said that, or even implied it in the least way.

If any Democrat is elected, I really hope it's Hillary. Hillary against basically any Republican in the race is a win-win scenario.

That's where you said it and implied it.

[7,052,770]

I see no reason to stop Hillary.

[Jake]

That's where you said it and implied it.

Not that this upcoming pissing match will be productive in any way, but...

Your claim:

You are seriously deluded if you think a Hillary Clinton administration wil be, in any way whatsoever, a  good thing for the Republican Party.

Which you based on this:

Hillary against basically any Republican in the race is a win-win scenario.

I said it's a win-win scenario for the country, and by extension for me. I never anywhere said it would be good for the Republican Party. Putting someone competent of the other party in office is usually never a good thing for a political party.

As you would say, you are as usual, deluded.

[Rob]

Please tell me you were high when you wrote that. You're deusional if you think she'll "stay the course" in Iraq.

Perhaps I was too harsh. She claims to be opposed to the escalation, so I guess her Iraq policy isn't identical to George W. Bush's. That doesn't mean I'm "deusional [sic]" to criticize her views on the war, especially when there are candidates in this race who opposed it from the beginning and have offered decisive exit strategies.

[Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home.]

Hillary against basically any Republican in the race is a win-win scenario.

I said it's a win-win scenario for the country, and by extension for me. I never anywhere said it would be good for the Republican Party. Putting someone competent of the other party in office is usually never a good thing for a political party.

I don't get it.  Since when did a pandering carpetbagger become the definition of competent?

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

I see no reason to stop Hillary.

How about that she's the most unelectable candidate?

[7,052,770]

I see no reason to stop Hillary.

How about that she's the most unelectable candidate?

I used to agree, but I no longer do.  I think she has a better shot in the general than Obama or Edwards, thanks to more experience, and that she's a better politician.

She's the best way to get out the vote...for the GOP.

The hard-core Republicans aren't going to vote for any Democrat (or moderate Republican), so I dont think that's a good enough argument.

[© tweed]

'Experience' worked wonders for John Kerry and Bob Dole.

[Joe Biden 2020]

Richardson or Edwards need to stop Hillary.

[Reaganfan]

'Experience' worked wonders for John Kerry and Bob Dole.

Dole was running against a popular incumbant President
Kerry ran a terrible campaign

[opebo]

huh? another thread with a bunch of burned out liberals banging their souls against a wall?

Such things do not exist, prude.  And please stop posting offensive links.

I'd like to see someone other than Hillary nominated but would obviously not mind her as president.  (though I am a bit nervous that a female would be anti-'sex trafficking').

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

I see no reason to stop Hillary.

How about that she's the most unelectable candidate?

I used to agree, but I no longer do.  I think she has a better shot in the general than Obama or Edwards, thanks to more experience, and that she's a better politician.

Obama has more experience. He had a long career in the State Senate. Hillary never held public office before her Senate seat.

Besides, if experience mattered that much, Mark Kennedy would've been elected (according to GOP hacks).

Rick Santorum was a good politician too. Doesn't matter.

In what states is Hillary going to have more appeal than Kerry?

The hard-core Republicans aren't going to vote for any Democrat (or moderate Republican), so I dont think that's a good enough argument.

No, the argument is that it's certain to make them turn out.