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« on: January 07, 2023, 03:31:55 PM »



Btw this along with a lot of other things shows how Libertarians are not Econ Conservative/Social Libs like the Political Compass likes to make it out to seem .

The Freedom Caucus and Deadprez is the essence of what American Libertarianism has always been regardless of what Dule and a lot of people think.
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« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2023, 03:34:54 PM »

There are multiple factions of the Libertarian Party. There's also a lot of alt-righters who consider themselves to be libertarians who aren't. I wouldn't consider Dule or Deadprez to be the median libertarian, I think Dead0man fits the mold well and he isn't like this.
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« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2023, 03:35:26 PM »

Yeah, there was some sort of Bircher coup in the party a few years back. They're basically a fascist party with a few tankie leanings now. Mess.
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« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2023, 03:37:24 PM »
« Edited: January 07, 2023, 06:07:30 PM by Santander »

Ashli Babbitt was a victim - of Trump, but also the Democrats, who contributed to a former soldier who voted for Obama to participate in an attack on her country's government.

Bill Maher correct as usual:

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« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2023, 03:39:34 PM »

So if Trump loses to DeSantis, he can ask the Libertarian Party for their presidential nomination? Tongue
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« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2023, 03:58:34 PM »

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Ashli Babbitt's Mother Arrested Outside Capitol on Jan. 6 Anniversary.

The mother of Ashli Babbitt, who was fatally shot while participating in the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection at the U.S. Capitol, was arrested Friday afternoon for blocking traffic near the Capitol.

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/slain-jan-6-rioters-mother-arrested-outside-the-capitol/3248991/


Which brings-up this related story.
I guess her mother and a group of trump cultists were out there yesterday (Jan 6th) protesting her daughter's death ? But I'm not sure exactly what their "cause" for protest, was about.
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« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2023, 04:39:21 PM »

The libertarian party has really gone off the shark, and yet has faced zero repercussions for it electorally.

Remember, the LP were actively condemning demonization of the militia movement in the 90s.
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« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2023, 05:08:26 PM »

The libertarian party has really gone off the shark, and yet has faced zero repercussions for it electorally.

Remember, the LP were actively condemning demonization of the militia movement in the 90s.

They don't receive that much coverage and a great deal of their support exists as a protest vote against the Republican, and to a lesser extent Democratic, parties. Do the majority of their voters even know this is happening?
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« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2023, 05:20:40 PM »

There are multiple factions of the Libertarian Party. There's also a lot of alt-righters who consider themselves to be libertarians who aren't. I wouldn't consider Dule or Deadprez to be the median libertarian, I think Dead0man fits the mold well and he isn't like this.

People like Dule are merely small l "libertarians."

The "Libertarian Party," as a proper noun, is completely unhinged and could just as easily be called the "Fascist Party."
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« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2023, 05:28:21 PM »

Yeah, the libertarians have really gotten unhinged since the Mises Caucus started moving up. The caucus is in all but name a far-right movement.

NH is sort of the epicenter of this sort of movement, or at least the most vocal. The state party's strategy has basically been to be as edgy and provocative as possible, which made them the laughingstock of the political world. They've gone from nominating odd gadflies like DWPERRY to a chronic edgelord and a literal MAGA entryist.
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« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2023, 05:48:14 PM »

So if Trump loses to DeSantis, he can ask the Libertarian Party for their presidential nomination? Tongue

That actually raises a question that if he did, how would states with sore looser laws handle it?
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« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2023, 06:54:32 PM »

The libertarian party has really gone off the shark, and yet has faced zero repercussions for it electorally.

Remember, the LP were actively condemning demonization of the militia movement in the 90s.

They don't receive that much coverage and a great deal of their support exists as a protest vote against the Republican, and to a lesser extent Democratic, parties. Do the majority of their voters even know this is happening?
No, because it isn’t in cultural memory to view the Libertarian party as any more than a protest vote for well-to-do white males. The actual history of the party isn’t condemned anywhere but in left wing circles.

There have been libertarians in high places, but the damage supposedly done by the party isn’t cared for
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« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2023, 06:57:39 PM »

There are multiple factions of the Libertarian Party. There's also a lot of alt-righters who consider themselves to be libertarians who aren't. I wouldn't consider Dule or Deadprez to be the median libertarian, I think Dead0man fits the mold well and he isn't like this.

Please, don't insult my good friend Dule. Dule is a lot closer to dead0 than Deadbrainz.
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« Reply #13 on: January 07, 2023, 07:06:51 PM »

There are multiple factions of the Libertarian Party. There's also a lot of alt-righters who consider themselves to be libertarians who aren't. I wouldn't consider Dule or Deadprez to be the median libertarian, I think Dead0man fits the mold well and he isn't like this.

Please, don't insult my good friend Dule. Dule is a lot closer to dead0 than Deadbrainz.
It wasn't meant to be an insult. If I was describing the GOP, I'd put Charlie Baker & MTG in the same sentence when comparing it to George W. Bush but I'm not comparing Charlie Baker to MTG. But Alben explained Dule better.
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« Reply #14 on: January 07, 2023, 07:54:23 PM »
« Edited: January 07, 2023, 07:59:58 PM by Mr. Matt »

The libertarian party has really gone off the shark, and yet has faced zero repercussions for it electorally.

Wouldn't there need to be percussions electorally for the LP in the first place before there can be repercussions?
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« Reply #15 on: January 07, 2023, 07:57:28 PM »

The libertarian party has really gone off the shark, and yet has faced zero repercussions for it electorally.

Would there need to be percussions electorally for the LP in the first place before there can be repercussions?

I mean they kind of have faced repercussions? Their one state legislator (Marshall Burt) lost re-election.
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« Reply #16 on: January 07, 2023, 09:22:55 PM »

Libertarian socialism is the only based kind of Libertarianism left.

Also, this is obviously pretty gross. The real victims of violence on Jan 6th were not the insurrectionists who instigated the violence in the first place. And in many cases, specifically went there with violence in mind.
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« Reply #17 on: January 07, 2023, 10:38:17 PM »

Libertarian socialism is the only based kind of Libertarianism left.

You do not want to be supporting pedophiles who fully fit in with opposing "authoritarian" laws.

Libertarians are the same no matter where you go. Focusing solely on the freedom of the individual means that you'll walk over some other person's rights who is less fortunate.
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« Reply #18 on: January 08, 2023, 01:54:17 PM »

Libertarian socialism is the only based kind of Libertarianism left.

You do not want to be supporting pedophiles who fully fit in with opposing "authoritarian" laws.

Libertarians are the same no matter where you go. Focusing solely on the freedom of the individual means that you'll walk over some other person's rights who is less fortunate.

I don't know how some creeps who push a very niche, very small sub-set of the broader 'Libertarian' leaning Left would influence my opinions either way. The CHAZ and the ideology which inspired it, which is debatable in itself but I digress, clearly isn't the way forward in any manner.
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« Reply #19 on: January 08, 2023, 03:49:28 PM »

Given ongoing events in Brazil, it seems that January-6 type events may be becoming an international trend, and we may have to worry about seeing similar sorts of events in the future again in USA and in other countries.

From that perspective, we should absolutely be celebrating the death of Ashli Babbitt. The cops were 100% right to shoot her - she and the mob she was leading posed a very obvious imminent threat to US governmental officials and other Americans as well as to our public property in the Capitol - and hopefully the fact that they did will have some sort of deterrent effect to make people think twice before trying a coup again.

Here is hoping that democratic order will be restored soon in Brazil, with the application of as much force as proves to be necessary to put down the Bolsonaro terrorists. And hopefully the Brazilian response will serve as a potent deterrent to American fascist sympathizers.

And since Bolsonaro is in Florida right now, I hope that Biden is in close consultation with the legitimate Brazilian government and stands ready to make sure that the Brazilian government has any resources the USA can provide to help, and that Bolsonaro is extradited to Brazil to face justice, should the Brazilian government request it via lawful processes.
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« Reply #20 on: January 08, 2023, 04:29:36 PM »

The libertarian party has really gone off the shark, and yet has faced zero repercussions for it electorally.

Would there need to be percussions electorally for the LP in the first place before there can be repercussions?

I mean they kind of have faced repercussions? Their one state legislator (Marshall Burt) lost re-election.
He lost to a generic WY R, that isn’t facing anything
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« Reply #21 on: January 08, 2023, 06:26:25 PM »

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« Reply #22 on: January 08, 2023, 07:42:57 PM »

I feel terrible she died, and I feel terrible for her family and loved ones. But the blame is her own, and the person/people who encouraged her to try to storm the Capitol. And if she were alive she should be charged for her crime of insurrection.

Make no mistake, that while her death is certainly tragic and shouldn't have happened (and I wish that it hadn't), her life wouldn't have ended had she not attempted to violently overthrow the government at the behest of a would-be dictator. A Trump dictatorship is what I have to assume she wanted, given her presence and actions there.

Mourn a life wasted, but she is no hero and she shouldn't be celebrated.
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« Reply #23 on: January 09, 2023, 04:52:59 PM »

Yeah, there was some sort of Bircher coup in the party a few years back. They're basically a fascist party with a few tankie leanings now. Mess.
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« Reply #24 on: January 09, 2023, 05:57:03 PM »

Yeah, there was some sort of Bircher coup in the party a few years back. They're basically a fascist party with a few tankie leanings now. Mess.


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