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Buffalo Mayor Young Kim
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« on: January 26, 2023, 10:11:15 PM »

Episode 2 of the BBC documentary on Modi came out.

Episode 1 basically is "Modi is the mastermind behind the 2002 Gujarat riots"
Episode 2 basically is "Under Modi, Indian Muslims are second-class citizens"

One can debate if these characterizations are correct.  But what is not in dispute is that a Western liberal woke media making these documentaries will merely consolidate political support for the regime as is the case in all other situations like this.   Worst for INC,  the BBC will be viewed to be in league with INC and only help BJP at the national level.

Also this is the issue with creating the precedent that “misinformation” should be taken down . Once the precedent was created , it’s gonna be used more and more and that is something that isn’t good
Frankly irresponsible of the BBC if we're being honest with ourselves. A fake news documentary that makes Modi look better in the eyes of his people helps nobody but the BBC.
I’m sorry ‘fake news’?

Seriously?
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Buffalo Mayor Young Kim
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« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2023, 11:01:57 PM »

Episode 2 of the BBC documentary on Modi came out.

Episode 1 basically is "Modi is the mastermind behind the 2002 Gujarat riots"
Episode 2 basically is "Under Modi, Indian Muslims are second-class citizens"

One can debate if these characterizations are correct.  But what is not in dispute is that a Western liberal woke media making these documentaries will merely consolidate political support for the regime as is the case in all other situations like this.   Worst for INC,  the BBC will be viewed to be in league with INC and only help BJP at the national level.

Also this is the issue with creating the precedent that “misinformation” should be taken down . Once the precedent was created , it’s gonna be used more and more and that is something that isn’t good
Frankly irresponsible of the BBC if we're being honest with ourselves. A fake news documentary that makes Modi look better in the eyes of his people helps nobody but the BBC.
I’m sorry ‘fake news’?

Seriously?
Ever heard of the boy who cried wolf?
Exactly what are you disputing?

Where’s the lies?

Was Narendra Modi not complicit in the mass murder of Muslims in Gujarat?
Is the Indian government under Modi not systematically discriminating against Muslims in India?
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Buffalo Mayor Young Kim
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« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2023, 03:46:24 AM »

Episode 2 of the BBC documentary on Modi came out.

Episode 1 basically is "Modi is the mastermind behind the 2002 Gujarat riots"
Episode 2 basically is "Under Modi, Indian Muslims are second-class citizens"

One can debate if these characterizations are correct.  But what is not in dispute is that a Western liberal woke media making these documentaries will merely consolidate political support for the regime as is the case in all other situations like this.   Worst for INC,  the BBC will be viewed to be in league with INC and only help BJP at the national level.

Also this is the issue with creating the precedent that “misinformation” should be taken down . Once the precedent was created , it’s gonna be used more and more and that is something that isn’t good
Frankly irresponsible of the BBC if we're being honest with ourselves. A fake news documentary that makes Modi look better in the eyes of his people helps nobody but the BBC.
I’m sorry ‘fake news’?

Seriously?
Ever heard of the boy who cried wolf?
Exactly what are you disputing?

Where’s the lies?

Was Narendra Modi not complicit in the mass murder of Muslims in Gujarat?
Is the Indian government under Modi not systematically discriminating against Muslims in India?

1. No and he was cleared by the courts and keep in mind the courts lean liberal in India especially back then .

2. No , the CAA does not lengthen the time it takes for Muslim immigrants to become citizens so this part is false . Also Modi is trying to get rid of special religious exemptions from laws and move to a uniform civil code which is actually what secularism is about
1. The SIT sent by the Supreme Court recommended against prosecution. The amicus curae report strongly disagreed. Also of note the local prosecutor working with them resigned accusing them of intimidating witnesses to protect the state government.

The NHRC, a Concerned Citizens Tribunal set up by former judges and chaired by a retired SC justice, the British Foreign Ministry, and the US State Department all also disagree, finding the state government’s actions created the conditions for the pogrom and through either deliberate inaction or incomprehensibly gross negligence stood as a party to it, if not aiding it unofficially.

Following the train fire, Modi immediately declared it an act of terrorism by unnamed jihadis and BJP politicians spread conspiracy theories about Pakistani intelligence. FWIW, the railway authority determined the fire and accident but a two man commission run by Modi’s personal ally decided it was an attack by a phantom mob of thousands of jihadis.

In the following three days police sat in their barracks and ignored emergency calls while mobs  raped, tortured, and burned alive people in public before the state let them intervene.

150,000 people were displaced into refugee camps. Modi’s government, per organizers, only funded relief for about half, ran a systematic campaign to coerce refugees to leave, and made public pronouncements that refugee camps had to be shut down because Muslims were breeding.

Following the riots every single case against Hindu perpetrators was dismissed by the Gujarat courts until the Supreme Court ordered a change of venue and retrial years later.

No reasonable person can look at this and not conclude that at the most charitable Modi doesn’t give a damn about mass murder and happily ran a government that incited and ignored it’s perpetration.

2. What? The laws explicitly grant citizenship to any non-Muslim arriving in India before 2014 and explicitly excludes Muslims, who have to have proof that they or a direct relative were in India prior to 1970s (btw good luck finding that if you’re one of the millions in underdeveloped areas). I don’t know how you can spin that as ‘secularism’.




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Buffalo Mayor Young Kim
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« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2023, 03:51:00 AM »

Episode 2 of the BBC documentary on Modi came out.

Episode 1 basically is "Modi is the mastermind behind the 2002 Gujarat riots"
Episode 2 basically is "Under Modi, Indian Muslims are second-class citizens"

One can debate if these characterizations are correct.  But what is not in dispute is that a Western liberal woke media making these documentaries will merely consolidate political support for the regime as is the case in all other situations like this.   Worst for INC,  the BBC will be viewed to be in league with INC and only help BJP at the national level.

Also this is the issue with creating the precedent that “misinformation” should be taken down . Once the precedent was created , it’s gonna be used more and more and that is something that isn’t good
Frankly irresponsible of the BBC if we're being honest with ourselves. A fake news documentary that makes Modi look better in the eyes of his people helps nobody but the BBC.
I’m sorry ‘fake news’?

Seriously?
Ever heard of the boy who cried wolf?
Exactly what are you disputing?

Where’s the lies?

Was Narendra Modi not complicit in the mass murder of Muslims in Gujarat?
Is the Indian government under Modi not systematically discriminating against Muslims in India?
Can we consider that BBC's way of operating seems to be driven by a desire to court controversy and is unlikely to hold the truth in the highest of regard?
You don't have to consider the handling of the riots in 2002 to be masterminded by Modi in order to be able to justify thinking less of Modi because of it.
Modi didn’t have to mastermind anything. He incited them, he ensured police wouldn’t stop them, and the local courts and police under his party’s control prevented the prosecution of the perpetrators. That’s complicity
That’s crimes against the human race

Full disclosure I haven’t seen the BBC doc, but I’ve been waiting so damn long for anyone to give a damn that India is run by a mass murdering crypto-fascist that I’m willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.
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