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Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.
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« on: December 16, 2022, 12:12:51 AM »

Why aren't Russians seen as a protected victim class even though they suffered more than almost any other group in the 20th century, including the death of 27 million of them at the hands of Nazis?

In large part because the Nazis killed plenty of other groups in Eastern Europe as well, many of which were much more expressly and definitionally targeted than Russians were. Also, most people do (rightly) see Russians as victims in the specific context of World War II. The fact that they fought back and eventually, thank God, won, militates against their being treated as the Little Nell of world powers, though.

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Why, despite this history, are their concerns about Nazism in Ukraine not taken seriously?

Why a country with this history would be so flippant and unserious about it on the diplomatic stage is an excellent question, yes.

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I can think of a certain other country that is allowed to get away with horrendous war crimes and use "we were victims of the Nazis" as an excuse.

And do you think that that's a morally acceptable state of affairs, or not?

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Even though Palestinians are completely innocent of collaborating with Nazis,

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while Ukrainian nationalists aren't.

Depends on which Ukrainian nationalists. There are definitely people in the Kyiv and Lviv local governments whose preferred historiographies trend in unsettling directions, but internal ideological spectra have a way of temporarily ceasing to matter during wars of national survival.
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Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.
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« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2022, 02:48:06 PM »

"Only" 14% of the USSR's population died. On the contrary, over 40% of the Jewish population was killed.

Regardless, your logic that Russia can do whatever since it is surrounded by NATO imperialism should also apply to Israel, since it is surrounded by countries that hate it.

It's done plenty to warrant some of that hate - let's not pretend Israel is solely the victim here and doesn't do anything wrong and has never done anything wrong. We get plenty of that from the politicians in DC already. In any case, I think Israel's doing just fine with the US, not to mention plenty of other heavy-hitters, safely in its pocket. The way most American politicians - in both parties, to be sure - grovel for Israel and close their eyes and ears to anything bad it does (and yes, there's plenty) is beyond pathetic.

That said, the OP is a Massive HP and this schtick of his is quite disgusting (and, to be sure, NOT AT ALL representative of the way most of the moderates on the Israel/Palestine debate, or the pro-Palestine people, think - they support Ukraine, unlike the OP, who is a pro-Putin hack).


I'm not a pro-Putin hack. I have been critical of Putin on many occasions. In fact I am thoroughly disgusted by the way he just sat by for eight years while the Ukrainian fascist regime genocided Russians in Donbass. It's good that he FINALLY decided to act, but he should have done it years ago.

Pro-Girkin hack, then. Go back to Telegram.
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