Why aren't Russians seen as victims even though 27 million of them were killed by Nazis?

[Benjamin Frank]

The Soviets are victims of Stalin and I think people include in that his collaboration with Hitler that led him to ignore the threat of a German attack.

This collaboration with Hitler goes back to before 1939 as well though as Stalin allowed Hitler to test German armaments on Soviet territory.

Also, it's so little known that I'm sure it has no impact on popular opinion, but one person here mentioned it before, (but seemed to think it was a failed offensive): After the Nazi invasion of Poland, France briefly went on the offensive against Germany (The Saar Offensive) and occupied part of the German Saarland.

Although France took fairly heavy casulties, in fact the offensive was a great success as they occupied 12 towns and villages and advanced to within a few miles of the German Siegfried Line. The French pulled back to the Maginot Line, however, after the Soviet Union invaded Eastern Poland in collaboration with Hitler's invasion of Western Poland.

Whether Germany/Hitler would have collapsed immediately if the French (reinforced by the British) had pressed their advantage is unknown (though some German generals at the time say it would have) but, at the very least, European World War II would have been largely fought on German soil had Stalin not collaborated with Hitler.

[Meclazine for Israel]

Congratulations Frank. Your post is the only one in the thread with a modicum of decency and respect for the actual subject matter.

[Ragnaroni]

Because long term, they were also the bad guys. Can't view them as "good" if they wanna destroy your very system of governance and economic model.

However, 27 million is a huge amount and I do wish that it could have been way less (Stalin is an evil bastard) and I know that it isn't a thing to gloat at. Their sacrifice did bring down (partially of course) the Nazi regime. I can at least respect that.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Now that the sad little piece of sh*t who made this thread is gone, let me say just how disgusting it is how Russia appropriate the suffering of Ukrainians and Belarussians who fought and died to stop the Nazis, and then use that stolen valor as a justification for oppressing the same Ukrainian and Belarussians in an awfully similar fashion as the Nazis did. And how disgusting it is that Westerners parrot this kind of imperialist propaganda.

[YoshiyaDayan]

1) About Israel, the idea that it has oppressed Palestinians is ridiculous. Everything they have done is to protect their own people, including offering 7 peace deals for Arabs, none of which were accepted. When the Arabs nearly conquered Israel, they boasted that they would finish what Hitler started. When Israel took over 0.2% of the worldwide Muslim population, they brought economic prosperity that was shattered when PLO and Hamas were allowed some autonomy. The Muslims have 30 countries and they want to jihad over half a sliver of land rightfully given by G-D to the most persecuted surviving people in history. Contact me for more at yoshiyadayan@gmail.com.
2) Soviet Russia is not seen as a victim because Stalin killed 20 million people with his tyrannical rule and most of the Soviets Hitler killed were fighting against him, so they were not civilians. Hitler ruled Europe for 13 years, Soviet Russia ruled Eastern Europe for 35 years. When Russia "liberated" the eastern half of Europe, they behaved worse than the Nazis. I am a Jew and I would consciously rather fight for a national cause gone wild than an atheist regime that killed millions in its own nation and terrorized the world. Also, the deaths in Russia are not ignored, in fact Germany is not allowed to have a military to this day because of the death they inflicted.

[lfromnj]

The Muslims have 30 countries and they want to jihad over half a sliver of land rightfully given by G-D to the most persecuted surviving people in history. Contact me for more at [redacted].

1) that's insane, 2) and probably more importantly: don't post your email online man, this is the publicly available internet

Did you miss the part where the so called Jew would rather fight for Nazi Germany?

[YoshiyaDayan]

1) To doubt someone's religion isn't the greatest thing to do. 2) Yes I would rather fight for the one who killed less people, and since that's the Germans, I would rather be with them on the Eastern Front. This does not apply to UK or USA, as I would MUCH rather fight for them than Germany, like most common sense people.
2) About Israel, the reason I do not apply the "least people killed" policy with them is because the Arabs wanted to wipe them all out and didn't get the chance too. I give my email in case people who have an opposite view want to tell me why I'm wrong, I want to know why. I may not put my email on in the future, thank you for the advice I appreciate it.

[YoshiyaDayan]

I can think of a certain other country that is allowed to get away with horrendous war crimes and use "we were victims of the Nazis" as an excuse. Even though Palestinians are completely innocent of collaborating with Nazis, while Ukrainian nationalists aren't.

How am I getting attacked on here as extreme and fake as we have a socialist defending  Soviet Russia, devaluing the Holocaust and saying that Ukraine is Nazi? 2 things here:
1) Ukrainian Nationalists did collaborate with Nazis, and you do have a legitimate point about the Azov Battalion, but overall Ukraine leans more to a third-world socialist nation than a Facist nation.
2) Palestinians are not innocent, Jerusalem Mufti Amin Al-Husseini, a Palestinian Arab nationalist, helped convince Hitler to genocide the Jewish people. Look it up.

[Lexii, harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy]

I can think of a certain other country that is allowed to get away with horrendous war crimes and use "we were victims of the Nazis" as an excuse. Even though Palestinians are completely innocent of collaborating with Nazis, while Ukrainian nationalists aren't.

How am I getting attacked on here as extreme and fake as we have a socialist defending  Soviet Russia, devaluing the Holocaust and saying that Ukraine is Nazi?

You mean the sock/troll that got banned a while back?

[Meclazine for Israel]

This probably is not an answer to your question, but I am posting this because this thread reminded me of the comic book/graphic novel Watchmen.

In Chapter 4 of the story, the "Introduction" to a certain book was printed on the final four pages of the chapter. The book was called "Dr. Manhattan: Super-Powers and the Superpowers," written by Professor Milton Glass. In the Introduction, Prof. Glass discussed whether or not Dr. Manhattan was truly going to be an effective deterrent to the Soviet Union initiating WW3 - a global thermonuclear war that would end life on Earth. Here is part of what it says:

To understand the Russian attitude to the possibility of a third world war one must first understand their attitude to the second. In WWII, none of the allied powers fought to bitterly or sustained such losses as did the Russians. It was Hitler's lack of success in his assault upon the Soviet heartland that assured his eventual defeat, and though it was paid for mostly by Soviet lives, the entire world reaped the benefits. In time, the Russian contribution to the war effort has been downplayed and dismissed -- most noticeably as our political differences became wider -- as we glorified our own contributions while forgetting that of our estranged former allies. The Russians, however, have not forgotten. There are still those who remember the horror of a war fought on their soil, and almost certainly there are members of the Politburo in that category. From my reading of various pronouncements made by the Russian high council over the years, I am convinced that they will never again permit their nation to be threatened in a similar manner, no matter what the cost.

Yes,

It doesn't make sense that Russia and the US were not friends after defeating Germany.

[YoshiyaDayan]

I can think of a certain other country that is allowed to get away with horrendous war crimes and use "we were victims of the Nazis" as an excuse. Even though Palestinians are completely innocent of collaborating with Nazis, while Ukrainian nationalists aren't.

How am I getting attacked on here as extreme and fake as we have a socialist defending  Soviet Russia, devaluing the Holocaust and saying that Ukraine is Nazi?

You mean the sock/troll that got banned a while back?

Is he?

[LBJer]

1) About Israel, the idea that it has oppressed Palestinians is ridiculous. Everything they have done is to protect their own people, including offering 7 peace deals for Arabs, none of which were accepted.

Yeah, just keep telling yourself that...