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« on: November 28, 2022, 07:11:23 PM »

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« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2022, 07:18:57 PM »

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« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2022, 08:10:51 PM »

You KNOW I am sensitive to the unions. (“Absolutely”) BUT!
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« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2022, 08:24:26 PM »

The “deal” is chump change and the railroad workers have every right to strike. They deserve the PTO and sick leave they’ve been denied for, any less than their demands means that they get nothing to actually be treated like human beings and not cattle.

I suspected this would happen, and it was wrong of the union bosses to betray their members by waiting until after the Democratic party to be held accountable to stop the saber rattling. A strike, no matter what the corporate-backed NLRB decided is “legal”, is in order and everyone hand wringing over inflation can go elsewhere given how Biden’s pro-inflationary foreign policy in Venezuela and Iran.

Workers are not cattle and make this country go run, and they will stop working if they don’t get their fair share.
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« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2022, 08:25:31 PM »

"I'm pro union except when they want to get paid more than dirt".
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« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2022, 08:29:29 PM »

The railroad workers are asking for VERY basic and VERY reasonable things. President Bernie Sanders would absolutely be pressuring the railway companies to see reason instead of trying to force the railway union into agreeing to s__t terms. Biden may talk a big game about how he supports workers over big businesses, but at the end of the day, he's part of the establishment and therefore beholden to his donors. If he has to f__k over hard working Americans to make his donors happy, then that's what he'll do.

Times like these remind us of how bad Biden, Obama, Hillary, Bill Clinton can be. But hey... at least they're more pro-worker and pro-union than Republicans are.
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« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2022, 08:31:33 PM »

The United States will not negotiate with terrorists. Bust 'em, Uncle Joe!
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« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2022, 10:32:32 PM »

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« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2022, 10:40:00 PM »

What happens if this gets fillibustered?
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« Reply #9 on: November 28, 2022, 11:10:23 PM »

I thought Railroad workers already had some type of PTO.

But i was wrong.
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« Reply #10 on: November 28, 2022, 11:14:39 PM »

I thought Railroad workers already had some type of PTO.

But i was wrong.

The US is one of the few countries in the world without mandated PTO, without mandated parental leave, and apparently the only country with at will employment.
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« Reply #11 on: November 28, 2022, 11:18:25 PM »

So if I am understanding correctly, pay rise terms are agreed but the problem now seems to be regarding paid sick leaves ? Also, the article says 8 unions agreed to the terms but 4 other unions rejected.

If the house passes the bill, can it be fillibustered in Senate ?
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« Reply #12 on: November 28, 2022, 11:19:53 PM »

I thought Railroad workers already had some type of PTO.

But i was wrong.

The US is one of the few countries in the world without mandated PTO, without mandated parental leave, and apparently the only country with at will employment.

Yeah but many large companies already offer parental, PTO, sick leave, et cetera. Because they realize that it's better to offer these benefits than to be left behind economically.

Hence, my surprise that these railroads don't offer it. Even smaller companies ( although they don't have sick leave, parental leave ), do offer a combined PTO which acts as a vacation, sick, leave pot.

Hell Netflix has unlimited leave.
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« Reply #13 on: November 28, 2022, 11:27:15 PM »

I thought Railroad workers already had some type of PTO.

But i was wrong.

The US is one of the few countries in the world without mandated PTO, without mandated parental leave, and apparently the only country with at will employment.

Yeah but many large companies already offer parental, PTO, sick leave, et cetera. Because they realize that it's better to offer these benefits than to be left behind economically.

Hence, my surprise that these railroads don't offer it. Even smaller companies ( although they don't have sick leave, parental leave ), do offer a combined PTO which acts as a vacation, sick, leave pot.

Hell Netflix has unlimited leave.

I've heard "unlimited" PTO can be a trap if they don't usually approve it.
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« Reply #14 on: November 28, 2022, 11:39:40 PM »

I thought Railroad workers already had some type of PTO.

But i was wrong.

The US is one of the few countries in the world without mandated PTO, without mandated parental leave, and apparently the only country with at will employment.

Yeah but many large companies already offer parental, PTO, sick leave, et cetera. Because they realize that it's better to offer these benefits than to be left behind economically.

Hence, my surprise that these railroads don't offer it. Even smaller companies ( although they don't have sick leave, parental leave ), do offer a combined PTO which acts as a vacation, sick, leave pot.

Hell Netflix has unlimited leave.

I've heard "unlimited" PTO can be a trap if they don't usually approve it.

I do think that not having sick leave is a anomaly, especially among federal contractors.

Northrup Grumman has paid sick leave.
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« Reply #15 on: November 29, 2022, 12:28:19 AM »

If the house passes the bill, can it be fillibustered in Senate ?
That’s what I’m wondering. I wonder how centrist Twitter will react if Sanders fillibusters.
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« Reply #16 on: November 29, 2022, 12:30:54 AM »

Congress will probably force a deal. But I trust President Biden to work for a better deal in the next few months. Congress steping in is a stop gate to stop a crippling blow to our economy.

I strongly support unions and labor. But this is serious
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« Reply #17 on: November 29, 2022, 12:59:59 AM »

Good. Tiny special interest groups should not be able to crash the entire economy over trifles.
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« Reply #18 on: November 29, 2022, 01:17:56 AM »

I thought Railroad workers already had some type of PTO.

But i was wrong.

It’s not so much the amount as much as it’s about when they can use it (and how much advance notice they have to give) and the fact that they’re constantly on call.
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« Reply #19 on: November 29, 2022, 01:19:07 AM »

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« Reply #20 on: November 29, 2022, 06:03:39 AM »

Good idea mostly. I do not object to the striking as much after the election though.



But I wish Biden did the same thing with teachers unions back in 2021 who would completely obnoxious.
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« Reply #21 on: November 29, 2022, 06:10:57 AM »

Isn’t the goal of collective bargaining to make it so that the economy can’t really work without their support?
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« Reply #22 on: November 29, 2022, 06:12:30 AM »

Good. Tiny special interest groups should not be able to crash the entire economy over trifles.

Like they did in 2008?
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« Reply #23 on: November 29, 2022, 06:23:33 AM »

A nation railroad strike and shutdown is not worth the economic consequences for the nation and electoral consequences for Democrats.  Pick your battles.
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« Reply #24 on: November 29, 2022, 09:00:01 AM »

Honestly good on Biden. I’m all for some civil disobedience, I think it is needed in any society but when there is an innocent third party involved like the businesses that would be affected by huge economic fallout from this, you follow the process And you don’t threaten strikes that would deprive millions of their livelihoods.
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