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« Reply #525 on: March 08, 2023, 08:02:01 PM »

Porter's a Progressive Caucus member, but I'd still be called a blue dog conservadem here for voting for her these days.
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« Reply #526 on: March 08, 2023, 08:33:22 PM »

Cheri Beasley, who pretended to be a moderate while running for NC Senate last year, has endorsed Barbara Lee, giving the lie to her claim.
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« Reply #527 on: March 08, 2023, 09:31:06 PM »

Lee is too old to be a Senator, she is a nice lady and I liked her principles during the Iraq and Afghanistan Wars, but she is too old.

Schiff and Porter are younger, I think Mayor London Breed should join in.


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« Reply #528 on: March 08, 2023, 09:31:22 PM »

Porter and Schiff just voted for MORE WAR IN SYRIA while Lee voted against it. The true progressive is obvious.

I'm not sure running against party leadership and for limiting the powers of the President of the same party is the winning message in a California Senate race, but we'll see. I'm very interested to see how Porter campaigns given this, though - some distance seems to be emerging between her and Lee.
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« Reply #529 on: March 08, 2023, 10:08:50 PM »

I thought domestic policy was going to be the focus of the race.
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« Reply #530 on: March 08, 2023, 10:32:27 PM »

I thought domestic policy was going to be the focus of the race.

It probably will. I don't think any of the three want this vote to be the crux of the election - including Lee, given that she knows she bucked the party establishment on it.
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« Reply #531 on: March 08, 2023, 11:04:42 PM »

I thought domestic policy was going to be the focus of the race.

It probably will. I don't think any of the three want this vote to be the crux of the election - including Lee, given that she knows she bucked the party establishment on it.
Remember that Feinstein never lost to a primary challenger despite voting for the war in Iraq and the PATRIOT Act.
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« Reply #532 on: March 09, 2023, 11:08:54 AM »

I thought domestic policy was going to be the focus of the race.

It probably will. I don't think any of the three want this vote to be the crux of the election - including Lee, given that she knows she bucked the party establishment on it.
Remember that Feinstein never lost to a primary challenger despite voting for the war in Iraq and the PATRIOT Act.

She only ever had one credible primary challenger after both of these and he came within ten points of beating her statewide despite having way less money and being Kevin de Leon. The fact that a corrupt San Francisco millionairess managed to earn enough establishment support to perpetuate a career in California politics isn’t exactly compelling evidence that people in California somehow support the Iraq war lol. Do Rep. DesJarlais’ supporters and voters all secretly support abortion rights because they overlooked his own transgressions? Nah
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« Reply #533 on: March 09, 2023, 11:23:54 AM »

California didn’t support the Iraq war. It’s that Feinstein won despite voting for it. What’s next, calling Katie Porter a blue dog DINO conservadem?
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« Reply #534 on: March 10, 2023, 01:43:40 AM »

Porter's a Progressive Caucus member, but I'd still be called a blue dog conservadem here for voting for her these days.

Huh

I'm definitely not a 'blue dog' or a Conservative of any kind but I'm all in for Porter.

I don't hate Barbara Lee, in fact I have a lot of respect for her career but Katie Porter is a solid Progressive, comes from a younger generation and will be able to build up a name for herself to possibly even make higher aspirations one day.

Schiff is a non-starter.
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« Reply #535 on: March 10, 2023, 01:48:29 AM »

Porter and Schiff just voted for MORE WAR IN SYRIA while Lee voted against it. The true progressive is obvious.

Lee's record isn't perfect, but she's voted against Syria, Iraq, and even Afghanistan while hawk Schiff has voted for all of those.
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« Reply #536 on: March 10, 2023, 03:35:29 AM »

Porter and Schiff just voted for MORE WAR IN SYRIA while Lee voted against it. The true progressive is obvious.

Lee's record isn't perfect, but she's voted against Syria, Iraq, and even Afghanistan while hawk Schiff has voted for all of those.
Exactly my point
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« Reply #537 on: March 10, 2023, 06:32:22 AM »
« Edited: March 10, 2023, 06:38:06 AM by America Needs R'hllor »

And just like that Porter becomes my least favorite Democratic Senate candidate. This type of dangerous, misinformed rhetoric is the last thing we need from a U.S. Senator. Before commenting on this issue she needs to understand the vast difference between the US and Israel. This is disqualifying imo - she's just casually promoting the end of democracy in another country.


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« Reply #538 on: March 10, 2023, 07:22:56 AM »

And just like that Porter becomes my least favorite Democratic Senate candidate. This type of dangerous, misinformed rhetoric is the last thing we need from a U.S. Senator. Before commenting on this issue she needs to understand the vast difference between the US and Israel. This is disqualifying imo - she's just casually promoting the end of democracy in another country.


LOL if there's one thing I didn't expect, it's Katie Porter coming out as pro-Netanyahu.
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« Reply #539 on: March 10, 2023, 07:23:58 AM »

And just like that Porter becomes my least favorite Democratic Senate candidate. This type of dangerous, misinformed rhetoric is the last thing we need from a U.S. Senator. Before commenting on this issue she needs to understand the vast difference between the US and Israel. This is disqualifying imo - she's just casually promoting the end of democracy in another country.




God d*** it!  Well, I can’t in good conscience support Porter anymore; I agree that this should be disqualifying.  Not that the average voter will care, but yikes!
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« Reply #540 on: March 10, 2023, 09:27:16 AM »

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« Reply #541 on: March 10, 2023, 11:47:46 AM »
« Edited: March 10, 2023, 11:51:07 AM by Zedonathin2020 »

And just like that Porter becomes my least favorite Democratic Senate candidate. This type of dangerous, misinformed rhetoric is the last thing we need from a U.S. Senator. Before commenting on this issue she needs to understand the vast difference between the US and Israel. This is disqualifying imo - she's just casually promoting the end of democracy in another country.



God d*** it!  Well, I can’t in good conscience support Porter anymore; I agree that this should be disqualifying.  Not that the average voter will care, but yikes!

Everybody's acting like this is some new revelation. U.S. politicians, even Democrats, have been simping for Israel since the 1940s. IMO it's pointless to talk about this when only about 10 members of congress openly condemn Netanyahu and his government.

That article removed important context in the headline. She was impressed by his "candidness" not his actions.

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« Reply #542 on: March 10, 2023, 12:10:32 PM »

And just like that Porter becomes my least favorite Democratic Senate candidate. This type of dangerous, misinformed rhetoric is the last thing we need from a U.S. Senator. Before commenting on this issue she needs to understand the vast difference between the US and Israel. This is disqualifying imo - she's just casually promoting the end of democracy in another country.



God d*** it!  Well, I can’t in good conscience support Porter anymore; I agree that this should be disqualifying.  Not that the average voter will care, but yikes!

Everybody's acting like this is some new revelation. U.S. politicians, even Democrats, have been simping for Israel since the 1940s. IMO it's pointless to talk about this when only about 10 members of congress openly condemn Netanyahu and his government.

That article removed important context in the headline. She was impressed by his "candidness" not his actions.

Change is about progress. Not perfection

You seem not to be understanding the Neville Chamberlain reference.

This is gross and yucky, and probably will not get her the votes she thinks it will (they are going to Adam Schiff), and absolutely will lower her ceiling with young POC.
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« Reply #543 on: March 10, 2023, 12:24:06 PM »

And just like that Porter becomes my least favorite Democratic Senate candidate. This type of dangerous, misinformed rhetoric is the last thing we need from a U.S. Senator. Before commenting on this issue she needs to understand the vast difference between the US and Israel. This is disqualifying imo - she's just casually promoting the end of democracy in another country.




And just like that Porter becomes my least favorite Democratic Senate candidate. This type of dangerous, misinformed rhetoric is the last thing we need from a U.S. Senator. Before commenting on this issue she needs to understand the vast difference between the US and Israel. This is disqualifying imo - she's just casually promoting the end of democracy in another country.




God d*** it!  Well, I can’t in good conscience support Porter anymore; I agree that this should be disqualifying.  Not that the average voter will care, but yikes!

How is this disqualifying? Most Democrats have supported Israel’s government for decades. Why is suddenly not OK to support Netanyahu now, but it was 10 years ago?
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« Reply #544 on: March 10, 2023, 12:32:11 PM »

How is this disqualifying? Most Democrats have supported Israel’s government for decades. Why is suddenly not OK to support Netanyahu now, but it was 10 years ago?

Because he left the realm of regular democratic leaders and entered the realm of Orbans with the new "reform", which she's legitimizing here.
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« Reply #545 on: March 10, 2023, 12:42:34 PM »

How is this disqualifying? Most Democrats have supported Israel’s government for decades. Why is suddenly not OK to support Netanyahu now, but it was 10 years ago?

Because he left the realm of regular democratic leaders and entered the realm of Orbans with the new "reform", which she's legitimizing here.

Apparently she still thinks she's dealing with the same old center-right but democratic leader Bibi from when Obama and Trump were president. Schiff, who you'd expect to be to her right on this, criticized him.

Heck, even Bloomberg of all people is starting to come out against him.
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« Reply #546 on: March 10, 2023, 12:54:04 PM »

How is this disqualifying? Most Democrats have supported Israel’s government for decades. Why is suddenly not OK to support Netanyahu now, but it was 10 years ago?

I wasn’t in politics ten years ago but all my political involved life I wouldn’t support a candidate who was pro-Netanyahu
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« Reply #547 on: March 10, 2023, 02:03:22 PM »

How is this disqualifying? Most Democrats have supported Israel’s government for decades. Why is suddenly not OK to support Netanyahu now, but it was 10 years ago?

Because he left the realm of regular democratic leaders and entered the realm of Orbans with the new "reform", which she's legitimizing here.

Apparently she still thinks she's dealing with the same old center-right but democratic leader Bibi from when Obama and Trump were president. Schiff, who you'd expect to be to her right on this, criticized him.

Heck, even Bloomberg of all people is starting to come out against him.

I just keep getting amateur hour vibes from Katie Porter. A lot of progressive politicians do this: pivot hard to Zionism as a cheap way to become centrist. The problem is that most Zionist voters aren't die-hard Bibi Netanyahu fans and Adam Schiff has endless cred on this issue and IIRC is also Jewish. The only people I can even imagine this pleasing or placating are hard-right Orthodox and Conservative Jewish people who probably wouldn't vote for any Democrat least of all Katie Porter lol

My prediction is that Katie is gonna spend the most money in the campaign but wildly vacillate on her brand and issue positions in search of an audience. This is exactly how Elizabeth Warren's presidential campaign also went down. It's telling that Katie should be the undisputed frontrunner but has less establishment support than a corporate puppet and former "cop" despised by the left and right and an 80-year-old former Black Panther socialist from Oakland. The opinion polls are meaningless rn, basically barometers of "do you know who this is?" I don't see this getting any better for Katie Porter, and it's kinda a bummer to me now that she won't hold her OC house seat.
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« Reply #548 on: March 10, 2023, 03:24:08 PM »

What gross, clueless comments from Porter. More confident than ever in my Lee endorsement. Porter is a fake progressive who only cares about soundbytes, Lee is the real deal as shown from her decades of anti war activitism.
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« Reply #549 on: March 10, 2023, 04:34:36 PM »

Is anyone who doesn't vote for Lee going to be called an "evil fascist DINO" these days? If it's Porter or Schiff vs, a Republican, Democrats should vote GOP out of spite?
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