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« Reply #1100 on: October 01, 2023, 09:24:08 PM »

I’ll expand on the point I made earlier about Newsom’s future after this

Two important parts of being president is only making promises you can keep, and being able to balance the various interests groups when it comes time to fill your cabinet and the federal government. The latter point is especially important in garnering support for a presidential run. Newsom has shown incompetence in both regards by fencing himself into numerous conflicting promises, which put him in a position to piss off just about every demographic in the state. He appoints Lee, the Schiff and the Pelosi establishment crowd are fuming. Don’t appoint Lee and he pisses off every black politician in the state. And as far as either group is concerned he’s promised to do what they want, but it’s impossible to do both. It makes him untrustworthy and hypocritical.

If he can’t handle this I can’t imagine many groups will feel comfortable supporting him in a run for president. His presidential ambitions are on life support.
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« Reply #1101 on: October 01, 2023, 09:26:07 PM »

no one is entitled to a seat. Again, this whole thing would push me to Porter. I won't be disappointed if Lee ends up winning a full term, but this whole episode puts a bad taste in my mouth.

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I’ll expand on the point I made earlier about Newsom’s future after this

Two important parts of being president is only making promises you can keep, and being able to balance the various interests groups when it comes time to fill your cabinet and the federal government. The latter point is especially important in garnering support for a presidential run. Newsom has shown incompetence in both regards by fencing himself into numerous conflicting promises, which put him in a position to piss off just about every demographic in the state. He appoints Lee, the Schiff and the Pelosi establishment crowd are fuming. Don’t appoint Lee and he pisses off every black politician in the state. And as far as either group is concerned he’s promised to do what they want, but it’s impossible to do both. It makes him untrustworthy and hypocritical.

If he can’t handle this I can’t imagine many groups will feel comfortable supporting him in a run for president. His presidential ambitions are on life support.

And, importantly for his presidential ambitions, Jim Clyburn too.
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« Reply #1102 on: October 01, 2023, 09:30:04 PM »

I don't think it would even be much of a loss for Democrats if this whole saga tanked Newsom's presidential ambitions. If anything, he's one of the weaker potential candidates who could run post-Biden.
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« Reply #1103 on: October 01, 2023, 09:30:23 PM »

I’ll expand on the point I made earlier about Newsom’s future after this

Two important parts of being president is only making promises you can keep, and being able to balance the various interests groups when it comes time to fill your cabinet and the federal government. The latter point is especially important in garnering support for a presidential run. Newsom has shown incompetence in both regards by fencing himself into numerous conflicting promises, which put him in a position to piss off just about every demographic in the state. He appoints Lee, the Schiff and the Pelosi establishment crowd are fuming. Don’t appoint Lee and he pisses off every black politician in the state. And as far as either group is concerned he’s promised to do what they want, but it’s impossible to do both. It makes him untrustworthy and hypocritical.

If he can’t handle this I can’t imagine many groups will feel comfortable supporting him in a run for president. His presidential ambitions are on life support.

Counterpoint: It is absolutely absurd to think that anyone in five years will remember or care about this. Are you listening to yourself?
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« Reply #1104 on: October 01, 2023, 09:31:20 PM »

I don't think it would even be much of a loss for Democrats if this whole saga tanked Newsom's presidential ambitions. If anything, he's one of the weaker potential candidates who could run post-Biden.

Don’t take me for lamenting Newsom’s demise. If anything I’m glad, but it’s interesting he’s done it to himself by a series of unforced errors.
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« Reply #1105 on: October 01, 2023, 09:34:26 PM »

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« Reply #1106 on: October 01, 2023, 09:36:06 PM »

I’ll expand on the point I made earlier about Newsom’s future after this

Two important parts of being president is only making promises you can keep, and being able to balance the various interests groups when it comes time to fill your cabinet and the federal government. The latter point is especially important in garnering support for a presidential run. Newsom has shown incompetence in both regards by fencing himself into numerous conflicting promises, which put him in a position to piss off just about every demographic in the state. He appoints Lee, the Schiff and the Pelosi establishment crowd are fuming. Don’t appoint Lee and he pisses off every black politician in the state. And as far as either group is concerned he’s promised to do what they want, but it’s impossible to do both. It makes him untrustworthy and hypocritical.

If he can’t handle this I can’t imagine many groups will feel comfortable supporting him in a run for president. His presidential ambitions are on life support.

Counterpoint: It is absolutely absurd to think that anyone in five years will remember or care about this. Are you listening to yourself?

Voters won’t give a damn, but politicians and organizers remember who their friends are. You can’t run a campaign when the people who would organize for you in states you have no connections don’t trust you. If Clyburn or Pelosi spreads word that Newsom can’t be trusted he’ll struggle to gain people on his side. Voters forget after five years, politicians don’t.

If you go to a mechanic and they make you pay threw the nose after not fixing anything, you’re not gonna go back they’re and tell people you know not to either.
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« Reply #1107 on: October 01, 2023, 09:36:30 PM »

Newsom trading CBC support in 2028 for EMILY’s List support… interesting…
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« Reply #1108 on: October 01, 2023, 09:36:51 PM »

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« Reply #1109 on: October 01, 2023, 09:37:22 PM »

Ok, talk about a pick that was completely out of left field.
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« Reply #1110 on: October 01, 2023, 09:37:36 PM »




Senator Porter still reigns!!!!
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« Reply #1111 on: October 01, 2023, 09:40:03 PM »

It’s official according to Wikipedia:

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« Reply #1112 on: October 01, 2023, 09:40:18 PM »

Ok, talk about a pick that was completely out of left field.
Yeah, this was not on my bingo card.
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« Reply #1113 on: October 01, 2023, 09:41:05 PM »

I’ll expand on the point I made earlier about Newsom’s future after this

Two important parts of being president is only making promises you can keep, and being able to balance the various interests groups when it comes time to fill your cabinet and the federal government. The latter point is especially important in garnering support for a presidential run. Newsom has shown incompetence in both regards by fencing himself into numerous conflicting promises, which put him in a position to piss off just about every demographic in the state. He appoints Lee, the Schiff and the Pelosi establishment crowd are fuming. Don’t appoint Lee and he pisses off every black politician in the state. And as far as either group is concerned he’s promised to do what they want, but it’s impossible to do both. It makes him untrustworthy and hypocritical.

If he can’t handle this I can’t imagine many groups will feel comfortable supporting him in a run for president. His presidential ambitions are on life support.

Counterpoint: It is absolutely absurd to think that anyone in five years will remember or care about this. Are you listening to yourself?

Voters won’t give a damn, but politicians and organizers remember who their friends are. You can’t run a campaign when the people who would organize for you in states you have no connections don’t trust you. If Clyburn or Pelosi spreads word that Newsom can’t be trusted he’ll struggle to gain people on his side. Voters forget after five years, politicians don’t.

If you go to a mechanic and they make you pay threw the nose after not fixing anything, you’re not gonna go back they’re and tell people you know not to either.

Well, you know, he's got EMILY's List on his side now.
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« Reply #1114 on: October 01, 2023, 09:44:46 PM »

Huh that’s cool:

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« Reply #1115 on: October 01, 2023, 09:45:13 PM »

According to Wikipedia (I know) she has close ties with Kamala Harris having a role on her 2020 presidential campaign. She also has strong union ties.  All I know of her is what I have read in the last 5 minutes but at first blush she sounds like a good pick.

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« Reply #1116 on: October 01, 2023, 09:45:45 PM »

This is a virtually impossible pick for basically any Democrat - Lee included - to criticize.

Newsom running circles around his critics here.
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« Reply #1117 on: October 01, 2023, 09:48:51 PM »

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« Reply #1118 on: October 01, 2023, 09:49:01 PM »

This is a virtually impossible pick for basically any Democrat - Lee included - to criticize.

Newsom running circles around his critics here.

You know sometimes politicians who have been elected to major offices know more than anonymous message board posters.
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« Reply #1119 on: October 01, 2023, 09:50:20 PM »

lmao what

Union org isn't nearly as bad as I thought, given my dislike for the grift group she runs.
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« Reply #1120 on: October 01, 2023, 09:50:44 PM »

Incredible content, thank you Gavin.
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« Reply #1121 on: October 01, 2023, 09:52:50 PM »

LA Times compiled a list of names Newsom might appoint.

They are:
  • Angela Glover Blackwell
  • Lateefah Simon
  • Mayor London Breed
  • Secretary Shirley Weber
  • Laphonza Butler
  • Controller Malia Cohen
  • Judge Leondra Kruger (who was under consideration for Biden for SCOTUS)

Not interested in an appointment are:
  • Mayor Karen Bass
  • Supervisor Holly Mitchell
  • Congresswoman Maxine Waters
  • Oprah Winfrey

Looks like the LA Times was on to something. Could’ve sworn I saw her name mentioned somewhere else in this thread. Maybe an embedded tweet.
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« Reply #1122 on: October 01, 2023, 09:53:07 PM »

It's 24, Rs cannot compete with Ds with blk vote
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« Reply #1123 on: October 01, 2023, 09:56:25 PM »

lmao what

Union org isn't nearly as bad as I thought, given my dislike for the grift group she runs.
On the other hand, she's worked/lobbied for Airbnb.
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« Reply #1124 on: October 01, 2023, 09:57:04 PM »

This, by the way, should be a reminder of how quickly Twitter can spiral its reactions to something minor. The statements were never a clear indication of anything until posters (both for and against Lee) decided it meant Lee was being appointed and started to form takes around this supposition.
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