Iran to execute 15,000 feminist protestors

[CumbrianLefty]

I'm not defending Iran's harsh penal system, but I doubt they execute 15,000 protestors.

Yes, that headline always came across as somewhat clickbaity.

[Person Man]

If it's true, this is Nazi stuff. You can go ahead and take the Jaegershot for Godwinianism on politics bingo, I guess. You do you. The Islamic Republic of Iran obviously has no problem being them.

[MATTROSE94]

The Islamic Republic seems to be in a race on whether it can prove its regime to be more ruthless and murderous than that of the Shah. 

It won that race back in 1979

Yeah. I think the Shah only killed around 400 people (excluding the 3,000 revolutionary deaths), so the Islamic Republic won that race by either the Summer of ‘79 or sometime in 1981 at the latest.

[CumbrianLefty]

Yeah. I think the Shah only killed around 400 people (excluding the 3,000 revolutionary deaths), so the Islamic Republic won that race by either the Summer of ‘79 or sometime in 1981 at the latest.

Hmmm, even if this means *only* "people killed by the security forces during the 1978-79 uprising" it is almost certainly a significant underestimate.

If applied to his reign more generally, it is almost risibly inaccurate.

[MATTROSE94]

Yeah. I think the Shah only killed around 400 people (excluding the 3,000 revolutionary deaths), so the Islamic Republic won that race by either the Summer of ‘79 or sometime in 1981 at the latest.

Hmmm, even if this means *only* "people killed by the security forces during the 1978-79 uprising" it is almost certainly a significant underestimate.

If applied to his reign more generally, it is almost risibly inaccurate.

The 400 are the people killed from 1953-1977 not counting the uprisings in 1963, 1975, and 1978-79. The 3,000 included the deaths in 1963 (400), 1975 (100), and 1978-79 (2,500).

[TheDeadFlagBlues]

Can we please only allow threads based on credible, accurate information? I am sure Iran will violently repress protests but I feel quite confident that Iranian parliament has not voted to execute tens of thousands of protesters?

[Meclazine for Israel]

If it's true, this is Nazi stuff. You can go ahead and take the Jaegershot for Godwinianism on politics bingo, I guess. You do you. The Islamic Republic of Iran obviously has no problem being them.

Not really. In 1941-42, the Nazi's executed an average of 15,000 people per day.

In fact, I should clarify. The Nazi's and their Romanian, Ukrainian and Hungarian sympathisers who actually did most of the killing.

The Romanian Police killed so many people (mainly jews) in 1941 that the head of Police had to get them to stop because it was causing the Police Force mental health problems as they were inadvertently killing their own community including relatives.

[Blue3]

I'm also skeptical of the headline. Is there a better source?

[PSOL]

I'm also skeptical of the headline. Is there a better source?

Well I’m here

[No War, but the War on Christmas]

I'm also skeptical of the headline. Is there a better source?

Well I’m here

I know you have a connection to Iran PSOL, but never knew exactly what that connection was. May I ask, if you feel comfortable sharing? I'm assuming familial?

[All Along The Watchtower]

While this is poorly sourced, it's important to remember that the post-1979 Iranian regime executed tens of thousands of people in the 1980s, especially leftists, making them almost on par with Suharto in 1960s Indonesia in terms of mass murder of Communists. And they have continued to be one of the world leaders in state-sanctioned executions.

But yeah, no need to exaggerate in absence of more solid sourcing---anyone who isn't a cretin, troll, propagandist, or some combination thereof knows perfectly well that the Islamic Republic is one of the worst regimes on the planet!

[PSOL]

The prior murders were predominantly mid-to-upper level leaders, trade unionists, activists, former members of the old regime, and the left wing of Islamism. These people arrested are predominantly normal everyday people angry at being pushed around by the regime.

[Orwell]

Time for Iran to get some freedom and democracy

[PSOL]

The moment the US invades, it is going to be like in the 80s all over again where everyone will rally around the flag against the invader. If the Khuzestan Arabs didn't defect en masse then, Kurds or like anyone else won't either.

Sorry losers, but Iranians don't want to be ruled by anyone else but our own.

[TiltsAreUnderrated]

The moment the US invades, it is going to be like in the 80s all over again where everyone will rally around the flag against the invader. If the Khuzestan Arabs didn't defect en masse then, Kurds or like anyone else won't either.

Sorry losers, but Iranians don't want to be ruled by anyone else but our own.

An invasion of Iran would go terribly and largely unite the country, but I wouldn't dismiss the Kurdish desire for autonomy or independence. After all, the murder which sparked the current wave of protests had a pretty racist element and the slogan was "Women, life, freedom." Iranian Kurdish militia fare worse than Iraqi/Syrian ones for a number of reasons, but a big one is because Iran is a much more stable country - this obviously wouldn't hold in the event of an invasion.

This doesn't mean they'd welcome invading forces, but they might seek to establish their own zones of control rather than fighting for Iran (something like the Rojava model, at best) and they'd probably get some support from groups in Iraqi Kurdistan.

Of course, the US would probably seek to suppress any secessionist movement, having learnt little from Iraq and Syria. Erdogan would be insufferable.

[Ferguson97]

Wait, PSOL is pro-Iran?

[Kahane's Grave Is A Gender-Neutral Bathroom]

Wait, PSOL is pro-Iran?

PSOL is anti-west, so therefore blindly pro-Iran.

[PSOL]

Wait, PSOL is pro-Iran?

I do not want the US destroying what could be another revolution, yes. I am anti-IRI after all.

Also, the most powerful forces in Kurdistan are the communists and Iranian PKK, why would Turkey allow this to happen?

[US Politics Fanatic]

And some people here are still going to tell you it wasn't better before 1979. I miss the Shah !

[CumbrianLefty]

And some people here are still going to tell you it wasn't better before 1979. I miss the Shah !

It wasn't, certainly for a lot of people.

Why on earth do you think the revolution happened in the first place?

And had the support of about three quarters of the population (at least) when it did??

This is just a more modern version of "actually, the Czars were good". And equally obviously false.

[US Politics Fanatic]

And some people here are still going to tell you it wasn't better before 1979. I miss the Shah !

It wasn't, certainly for a lot of people.

Why on earth do you think the revolution happened in the first place?

And had the support of about three quarters of the population (at least) when it did??

This is just a more modern version of "actually, the Czars were good". And equally obviously false.

Women in Iran had more freedom before the Islamic Republic. I don't think it's debatable.

[LAKISYLVANIA]

https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/nl/2022/11/15/check-executies-iran/

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/15/world/trudeau-deletes-false-tweet-iran-mass-executions-intl/index.html

Factchecked and reported by our national media as fake news spreading on social media.

I have a feeling PSOL and Laki won't be posting in this thread.  But they certainly will be reading.  <waves>  Maybe you can blame it on the sanctions?

Well this aged well... Calling me out for things i haven't even said, while it's literally fake news.

Maybe

1. factcheck whatever you say or post
2. don't assume things i've never said
3. don't assume criticism on Israël implies that i'm suddenly an iran ass-kisser.

-> this nonsense in this thread where we call randomly people out and spread fake news is literally textbook trump tactics!

[LAKISYLVANIA]

While this is poorly sourced, it's important to remember that the post-1979 Iranian regime executed tens of thousands of people in the 1980s, especially leftists, making them almost on par with Suharto in 1960s Indonesia in terms of mass murder of Communists. And they have continued to be one of the world leaders in state-sanctioned executions.

I'm also skeptical of the headline. Is there a better source?

Can we please only allow threads based on credible, accurate information? I am sure Iran will violently repress protests but I feel quite confident that Iranian parliament has not voted to execute tens of thousands of protesters?

see post above. Proven to be FAKE NEWS.

[LAKISYLVANIA]

The Islamic Republic seems to be in a race on whether it can prove its regime to be more ruthless and murderous than that of the Shah.  

It won that race back in 1979

Yeah. I think the Shah only killed around 400 people (excluding the 3,000 revolutionary deaths), so the Islamic Republic won that race by either the Summer of ‘79 or sometime in 1981 at the latest.

9/11 only killed about 2500 people.

And as being said this is a vast underestimation largely to support the western view that the Shah was a sacred human being. Don't forget that the entire country rebelled against the shah, including commies and even liberals.

Yes the conservatives seized power to install a dictatorship, but it weren't just religious conservatives who overthrew the Shah, it was the entire country.

I would suggest to inform yourself about the matter.

I don't know what they teach you in the US but i don't trust US schools since a lot of knowledge is forbidden that adress controversial topics and don't conclude with a "america is great" note.

[Alben Barkley]

It appears this is not true:

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/11/16/have-15000-protesters-been-sentenced-to-death-in-iran-explainer

15,000 is apparently closer to the number arrested.

That said, Iran DOES need some freedom and democracy. Military intervention should be a last resort but shouldn’t be totally off the table, especially if Iran actually does escalate to such heinous actions.