AZ-SEN 2024: Away we Gallego (3/5 - Sinema OUT)
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« Reply #100 on: December 09, 2022, 06:24:58 AM »

Holy sh**t. She’s TOAST. My hatred for her is off the charts
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« Reply #101 on: December 09, 2022, 06:29:49 AM »

There is no doubt she will caucus with Republicans
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« Reply #102 on: December 09, 2022, 06:31:46 AM »

She knows she has no chance as a Dem. She simply is toast now
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« Reply #103 on: December 09, 2022, 06:32:41 AM »

There is no doubt she will caucus with Republicans

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In a 45-minute interview, the first-term senator told POLITICO that she will not caucus with Republicans
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« Reply #104 on: December 09, 2022, 06:38:43 AM »

There is no doubt she will caucus with Republicans

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In a 45-minute interview, the first-term senator told POLITICO that she will not caucus with Republicans

She’s stuck to her word so many times in the past…..
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« Reply #105 on: December 09, 2022, 06:45:44 AM »
« Edited: December 09, 2022, 06:49:10 AM by new_patomic »

She'll caucus with the Democrats because there's no power for her if she caucuses with the Republicans.

It won't give the Republicans a majority or control of any committees, just ties, and McConnell doesn't have much reason to give her any special committee assignments. He'd much rather an actual Republican run and win in 2024 especially if she's gearing up for a 3-way race.

Whereas Schumer does still has reason to prefer she keep caucusing with the Democrats, even if her vote is less reliable now. Because 51-49 means Democrats can control every committee and no longer have to rely on discharge petitions to move things to a floor vote.
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« Reply #106 on: December 09, 2022, 06:53:22 AM »

Dang it.
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« Reply #107 on: December 09, 2022, 06:53:42 AM »

Will Democrats field a candidate/nominee against her? If so.. this is Safe R.
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« Reply #108 on: December 09, 2022, 06:56:34 AM »

Will Democrats field a candidate/nominee against her? If so.. this is Safe R.

LOL toast in 24 with this

Arizona is turning blue more and more and more. If they continue to run whack jobs Dems will win this seat. And with a reliable Democrat.
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« Reply #109 on: December 09, 2022, 07:20:04 AM »

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« Reply #110 on: December 09, 2022, 07:48:36 AM »

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/12/09/sinema-arizona-senate-independent-00073216
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« Reply #111 on: December 09, 2022, 07:52:38 AM »

     Definitely one of the more unique career trajectories in modern times. I remember when she first won I thought she'd be a staunch progressive based on her past statements.
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« Reply #112 on: December 09, 2022, 08:06:19 AM »

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« Reply #113 on: December 09, 2022, 08:11:36 AM »



When they say "intends" I'm curious to know what that means.

Did she tell Schumer that this was her plan and asked if she could stay on the Committees? Or does she assume that's she's entitled to these committee assignments even while doing a stunt like this?
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« Reply #114 on: December 09, 2022, 08:12:45 AM »

     Definitely one of the more unique career trajectories in modern times. I remember when she first won I thought she'd be a staunch progressive based on her past statements.

You're not the only one - plenty of progressives thought that way too, and that's probably the only reason she didn't have a competitive primary in 2018. People who actually paid attention to her statements and her voting record in the House, however, could see plenty of red flags (although even I wasn't expecting her to be this much of a backstabbing snake).
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« Reply #115 on: December 09, 2022, 08:17:32 AM »



When they say "intends" I'm curious to know what that means.

Did she tell Schumer that this was her plan and asked if she could stay on the Committees? Or does she assume that's she's entitled to these committee assignments even while doing a stunt like this?

I think she intends to side with the Dems but won’t speak for Schumer and may want to negotiate. She would sound presumptuous to assume she keeps them.
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« Reply #116 on: December 09, 2022, 08:19:06 AM »



When they say "intends" I'm curious to know what that means.

Did she tell Schumer that this was her plan and asked if she could stay on the Committees? Or does she assume that's she's entitled to these committee assignments even while doing a stunt like this?

According to reports both Biden and Schumer knew at least since Tuesday.
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« Reply #117 on: December 09, 2022, 08:22:37 AM »

This is clearly a tactical move on her part.  It's obvious that she's extremely vulnerable to a Democratic primary challenge, and she certainly knows that.  But if she's an independent, she probably figures that the Democrats won't run a candidate against her because a 3-way race would hand the seat to the Republicans, and Democrats would rather have an allied independent Sinema than a Republican.
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« Reply #118 on: December 09, 2022, 08:36:27 AM »

The fact that she would rather tank the Democratic nominee in the Senate race and allow a Republican win over losing a primary is one of the most pathetic and shameless grifts for power in recent memory. Sinema is a joke and even though he won't, I hope Schumer shows her no mercy. Strip her committee assignments and feed her to the wolves. Either caucus with the Republicans or resign.
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« Reply #119 on: December 09, 2022, 08:37:12 AM »



Bizarrely wouldn't polling like this suggest she actually potentially draws more Republicans or Republican-leaning independents than she would Democrats in an independent bid?
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« Reply #120 on: December 09, 2022, 08:46:09 AM »

The typical senator who wants everything to be about herself
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« Reply #121 on: December 09, 2022, 09:01:26 AM »

This is clearly a tactical move on her part.  It's obvious that she's extremely vulnerable to a Democratic primary challenge, and she certainly knows that.  But if she's an independent, she probably figures that the Democrats won't run a candidate against her because a 3-way race would hand the seat to the Republicans, and Democrats would rather have an allied independent Sinema than a Republican.

We’re better off being rid of her even if it means Republicans get to rent this seat for another term.  That said, I think there’s a very real chance she hurts the Republican nominee far more than she does the Democratic nominee in a three way race.
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« Reply #122 on: December 09, 2022, 09:09:03 AM »

The problem for Kyrsten Sinems is that she clearly made the calculation very early on that Biden and the Dems were going to get hit by a massive red wave in 2022.

So Rather than supporting Biden on passing all of his agenda and hoping that it would be enough to win over swing voters like like mark kelly did she decided she was going to be a lot more combative and fight her party on major policy issues at a time when it was hurting her president and her party

Her and Manchin ultimately succeeded in killing many of the most popular parts of the original Build back better bill and Had the red wave actually happened, she would be looking like a very smart person right about now for doing that.

Unfortunately for her the red wave never happened and the Dems actually did pretty well in Arizona. Her big bet against Biden and the Dems did not pay off at all and as a result, she had no choice but to become an independent otherwise she was going to get primaried
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« Reply #123 on: December 09, 2022, 09:26:20 AM »

2024 becomes a game of chicken for the Democrats.

I suspect despite her objectively terrible favorables with Democrats she would still hurt a potential D candidate more than a GOP one.

The fact is I can't see many AZ Lake voters voting for her and in a 3 way race they are enough.

Her "base" is probably moderate dems, old McCain republicans. 

Do we have polls showing her favorability with how people voted in 2022? That will give us a better idea of who she would hurt. 
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« Reply #124 on: December 09, 2022, 09:28:22 AM »

This is so funny. She expected Dems to lose and then swoop in with his high and mighty messaging. Dems did good and it was too late anyway, so she still had to go along with it. So stupid.
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