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« on: October 07, 2022, 11:14:05 PM »

Senate Republican bill would repeal Democratic drug pricing law
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« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2022, 11:21:33 PM »

We want what is worst for everybody!
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« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2022, 11:21:43 PM »

The government has to negotiate drug prices because it is a captured market. Its not like some luxury item you can just "do without" to bring prices down. You have to buy it, and so they can charge whatever price they want, which in turn prices people out of the market and into the grave yard.

If a competitive market is already impossible, you are not "restoring the private market by removing the price controls", you are restoring the capture market by removing any forces operating against the inflationary pressures on the price.

This is where blind adherence to market liberalism/lassiez faire, just leads to a corporatist monopoly outcome, which is also by definition not a free market either.
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« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2022, 11:49:16 PM »

2022 GOP Platform:
-Ban abortion nationwide
-Block legalization of marijuana
-Allow drug price gouging
-Prevent gay Peppa Pig from indoctrinating children
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« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2022, 01:24:02 AM »

Absolutely genius political move to make 1 month out from the election.
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« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2022, 01:30:01 AM »

https://www.kff.org/health-costs/poll-finding/kff-health-tracking-poll-may-2021
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Overall, nearly nine in ten (88%) favor allowing the federal government to negotiate for lower prices on medications, including three-fourths (77%) of Republicans, nine in ten independents (89%) and 96% of Democrats.
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« Reply #6 on: October 08, 2022, 01:30:54 AM »

https://www.kff.org/health-costs/poll-finding/kff-health-tracking-poll-may-2021
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Overall, nearly nine in ten (88%) favor allowing the federal government to negotiate for lower prices on medications, including three-fourths (77%) of Republicans, nine in ten independents (89%) and 96% of Democrats.

That's beyond the usual 70% support for Democratic policies the Republicans are used to working with.
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« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2022, 02:49:02 AM »

https://www.kff.org/health-costs/poll-finding/kff-health-tracking-poll-may-2021
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Overall, nearly nine in ten (88%) favor allowing the federal government to negotiate for lower prices on medications, including three-fourths (77%) of Republicans, nine in ten independents (89%) and 96% of Democrats.

Why don't those Republicans grow a pair then and run for Congress rather than keep voting for the same puppets because they have an R by their name and bellyaching that nobody cares about them.
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« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2022, 09:12:38 AM »

The government has to negotiate drug prices because it is a captured market. Its not like some luxury item you can just "do without" to bring prices down. You have to buy it, and so they can charge whatever price they want, which in turn prices people out of the market and into the grave yard.

If a competitive market is already impossible, you are not "restoring the private market by removing the price controls", you are restoring the capture market by removing any forces operating against the inflationary pressures on the price.

This is where blind adherence to market liberalism/lassiez faire, just leads to a corporatist monopoly outcome, which is also by definition not a free market either.

The real argument they’re making is not for a free market (which also doesn’t actually exist) but for the anger that they’re going to lose profit.
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« Reply #9 on: October 08, 2022, 10:34:15 AM »

2022 GOP Platform:
-Ban abortion nationwide
-Block legalization of marijuana
-Allow drug price gouging
-Prevent gay Peppa Pig from indoctrinating children

Summarized: Own the libs
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« Reply #10 on: October 08, 2022, 11:05:32 AM »

Can someone explain to me how the party whose platform is literally ‘let’s do the worst possible thing for everyone’ is still a thing?
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« Reply #11 on: October 08, 2022, 11:14:42 AM »

Can someone explain to me how the party whose platform is literally ‘let’s do the worst possible thing for everyone’ is still a thing?
The DEMONrats are COMMUNISTS!!!!!!!!!!! Don't you understand that?
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« Reply #12 on: October 08, 2022, 12:50:02 PM »

https://www.kff.org/health-costs/poll-finding/kff-health-tracking-poll-may-2021
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Overall, nearly nine in ten (88%) favor allowing the federal government to negotiate for lower prices on medications, including three-fourths (77%) of Republicans, nine in ten independents (89%) and 96% of Democrats.

Why don't those Republicans grow a pair then and run for Congress rather than keep voting for the same puppets because they have an R by their name and bellyaching that nobody cares about them.

Culture determines voting patterns, but economic interests govern policies. In the Republican Party, donors are more powerful than voters, so the economic policies of the donors wins out. Its also not just the donors, but the combination of donors, consultants, corporate media and such forth that enforces a rigid adherence to neoliberal economic policies, even though a large number of voters would seemingly be supportive of government action in select areas.
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« Reply #13 on: October 08, 2022, 12:53:40 PM »

Culture determines voting patterns, but economic interests govern policies. In the Republican Party, donors are more powerful than voters, so the economic policies of the donors wins out. Its also not just the donors, but the combination of donors, consultants, corporate media and such forth that enforces a rigid adherence to neoliberal economic policies, even though a large number of voters would seemingly be supportive of government action in select areas.

Have you seen that YouTube gritter Infrared and his #MAGACommunism? Of course, he really doesn't understand Communism and thinks it's just the Great Society, but he gets a lot of responses from Trumpers.
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« Reply #14 on: October 08, 2022, 01:01:33 PM »

Amazing how after 2012 and 2018 the GOP still thinks healthcare is a winning issue for them
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« Reply #15 on: October 08, 2022, 01:03:54 PM »
« Edited: October 08, 2022, 01:20:34 PM by LeavingHope »

Amazing how after 2012 and 2018 the GOP still thinks healthcare is a winning issue for them

Absolutely nothing but Kulturkampf is a winning issue for them. They hold the unpopular position on absolutely every major policy issue. Their success is only because the Democrats deliberately throw the game as part of the system of Capital in America: if the Democrats had a supermajority and a popular incumbent they would be expected to redistribute wealth.

There is fundamentally no need for a Republican Party within extant bourgeois society in America, and America would be better served - as the primary bastion of world capitalist society - with an extremely dominant socially liberal Democratic Party with a Sandersite controlled opposition that pretends to want to implement social democracy. This should be the natural trajectory of historical development here. The GOP is retrograde as Hell, so reactionary that it actually threatens Capital. This is why the haute-bourgeoisie like Gates and Bezos are all Democrats (while of course also contributing to the GOP).

The ruling class knows that evangelicalism is bullsh**t. All of the fundamentalist preachers know Christianity is bullsh**t. All these Culture War issues designed to split the workers are actually an impediment to the further development of capitalist production, feudal relics that stunt its growth and prevent the Marketization Of Everything so profoundly necessary.
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« Reply #16 on: October 08, 2022, 01:07:01 PM »
« Edited: October 08, 2022, 01:10:42 PM by Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee »

Culture determines voting patterns, but economic interests govern policies. In the Republican Party, donors are more powerful than voters, so the economic policies of the donors wins out. Its also not just the donors, but the combination of donors, consultants, corporate media and such forth that enforces a rigid adherence to neoliberal economic policies, even though a large number of voters would seemingly be supportive of government action in select areas.

Have you seen that YouTube gritter Infrared and his #MAGACommunism? Of course, he really doesn't understand Communism and thinks it's just the Great Society, but he gets a lot of responses from Trumpers.

https://talkelections.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=523306.0

There are like maybe five or six things in there I might consider supporting, the rest of it is nuts or goes too far.

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« Reply #17 on: October 08, 2022, 01:11:29 PM »
« Edited: October 08, 2022, 01:22:14 PM by LeavingHope »

Indeed. Now, he isn't actually a Communist, but neither are the overwhelming majority w self-professed Communists (because Communism is incredibly difficult to understand, as it involves grasping the historical movement q society). That said, a little social democracy absolutely would not harm the American ruling class, and should be implemented. It would probably serve as a countervailing tendency against the falling rate of profit. It would absolutely neuter the growing number of Actual Marxists, which by my terminally online estimation probably numbers now in the low millions (I'd wager maybe two million who actually understand Marxism, with another twelve or fifteen who are essentially tankie State capitalists or anarchists of some kind, fifty million social democratic labor aristocrats, and twenty or thirty million populist #MAGACommie labor aristocrats).
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« Reply #18 on: October 08, 2022, 01:16:35 PM »

Amazing how after 2012 and 2018 the GOP still thinks healthcare is a winning issue for them

GOP doesn't need winning issues, it just needs to stack and stack obscure, but powerful positions of government that can enforce the agenda, whatever that agenda is.

It's operated that way in no uncertain terms since 2008, and the groundwork was arguably there in 2000 after the Florida debacle.
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« Reply #19 on: October 08, 2022, 02:27:26 PM »


The GOP doesn't even try to be coy. They just come right out and bash change that is designed to help people. And people vote for them against their own interests. What are those people thinking?

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« Reply #20 on: October 08, 2022, 02:28:53 PM »

If this is really the hill they want to die upon, let them go.
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« Reply #21 on: October 08, 2022, 02:29:34 PM »

The GOP doesn't even try to be coy. They just come right out and bash change that is designed to help people. And people vote for them against their own interests. What are those people thinking?



From a certain perspective, it makes sense. The American government is one of the most horrifically repressive entities on the planet. It is reasonable for the working class to not want to strengthen this entity' s control over them, even if it would superficially benefit them. Given the narrow confines of American political education, there's still certainly an element of class awareness in voting Republican, though the logical conclusion of absolute awareness would be open revolt.
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« Reply #22 on: October 08, 2022, 02:29:40 PM »

You have to wonder at this point if the GOP is either trying to lose or just seeing how far they can get away with f--king over their own voters and still win.

It's a bold strategy in any case. We'll see how it works out for them!
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« Reply #23 on: October 08, 2022, 03:16:09 PM »

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« Reply #24 on: October 08, 2022, 04:03:26 PM »

The GOP doesn't even try to be coy. They just come right out and bash change that is designed to help people. And people vote for them against their own interests. What are those people thinking?



From a certain perspective, it makes sense. The American government is one of the most horrifically repressive entities on the planet. It is reasonable for the working class to not want to strengthen this entity' s control over them, even if it would superficially benefit them. Given the narrow confines of American political education, there's still certainly an element of class awareness in voting Republican, though the logical conclusion of absolute awareness would be open revolt.

Laughing at this from Saudi Arabia drinking alcohol after the Medina Gay Pride Parade.
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