UK General Discussion: Rishecession

[MillennialModerate]

I really liked David Cameron tbh

This confuses me. I thought I had the British sound down pat but how someone not an MP can have this position…..

[Flyersfan232]

i hear biden is going to appoint bill clinton as sos

[GoTfan]

I dunno, it feels like Ianucci's lost his touch with bringing this guy back.

[Flyersfan232]

I did not expect to get woken up by a notification about David Cameron today. Can somebody explain how this works logistically, did they have to get him into the House of Lords for this?

He’s getting a peerage. MPs on both sides seething about the fact they won’t be able to question the Foreign Sec in the Commons - especially amid both ongoing wars.

Does mean that we’ll get to see his outside earnings, as a condition of entering the Lords. That’s going to be its own news-cycle…

arent great office holder require to sit in commons for sessions?

[Torrain]

Some weird stuff now - Sunak has travelled to his Palace to Westminster office for the face-to-face firing stage of the reshuffle. But Therese Coffey (widely expected to be fired), entered Downing Street by the front door, and hasn’t been seen since.

Typically, if she was being fired, she’d have been done with the rest, or entered and left by the back door.

[Battista Minola 1616]

David Cameron is in Downing Street.

Surely they’re not sending him to the Lords, right now? FCDO from the Lords?

Big Mandelson 2009 energy

I feel like it's even more bizarre than Mandelson joining the Cabinet. It'd be like if Major appointed Thatcher in 1996. How often does an ex-PM become a Cabinet minister, let alone one that isn't even in the Commons? I don't think I've heard of something like that anywhere in the world, at least not in the Anglosphere.

This is not exactly uncommon in other countries, especially ones with shorter and multi-party governments. The part about not being a member of the legislature is more complicated, especially if you exclude cases like France where ministers are often chosen among legislators but are legally compelled to give up their National Assembly seat while they are in government. Still, a most famous case would be that former Israeli PM Ehud Barak was not an MK when Ehud Olmert appointed him Minister of Defence in 2007.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

The writers have brought back a character from an earlier season whose storyline always felt underdeveloped and cut a bit short. This is where they get the whole cast together to do the final chorus (Dave's tenor part a special highlight) and give the series a feel-good send off. All that's needed now is the announcement that the new Chancellor is Frank Lampard.

The obvious choice for this government would be Sam Allardyce, surely.

Alas, Big Sam is a Labour Man so unlikely to be available.

[TheTide]

Some weird stuff now - Sunak has travelled to his Palace to Westminster office for the face-to-face firing stage of the reshuffle. But Therese Coffey (widely expected to be fired), entered Downing Street by the front door, and hasn’t been seen since.

Typically, if she was being fired, she’d have been done with the rest, or entered and left by the back door.

First female Chancellor? Claire Coutinho has been talked of, but Coffey (who obviously isn't that close to Sunak) would be quite a turn up and show that Sunak is keeping a big tent. However, she hasn't exactly covered herself in glory as a minister.

[Coldstream]

Some weird stuff now - Sunak has travelled to his Palace to Westminster office for the face-to-face firing stage of the reshuffle. But Therese Coffey (widely expected to be fired), entered Downing Street by the front door, and hasn’t been seen since.

Typically, if she was being fired, she’d have been done with the rest, or entered and left by the back door.

First female Chancellor? Claire Coutinho has been talked of, but Coffey (who obviously isn't that close to Sunak) would be quite a turn up and show that Sunak is keeping a big tent. However, she hasn't exactly covered herself in glory as a minister.

They’ve already said they are keeping Hunt (for now).

[Torrain]

arent great office holder require to sit in commons for sessions?

No requirement - and if they’re Lords, they can’t sit in the Commons or answer questions there at all.

[Hnv1]

It's a bit unorthodox to have one of the holders of the great offices of the state sit in the lords and not the commons though. How's that going to work parliament wise when he can't stand at the dispatch box?

[IceAgeComing]

Its not that unusual for question periods for other departments to be handled in part by junior ministers; and that is what will happen here. He'll address questions in the Lords and you'll see Labour push a lot harder there than they usually will for Lords question periods; but the Junior Ministers will cover the commons side as would happen with any Lords-based ministers.

[Middle-aged Europe]

Braverman *lol*. Tories *lol*. Britain *lol*.

Cameron *lol*. Tories *lol*. Britain *lol*.

[Hnv1]

David Cameron is in Downing Street.

Surely they’re not sending him to the Lords, right now? FCDO from the Lords?

Big Mandelson 2009 energy

I feel like it's even more bizarre than Mandelson joining the Cabinet. It'd be like if Major appointed Thatcher in 1996. How often does an ex-PM become a Cabinet minister, let alone one that isn't even in the Commons? I don't think I've heard of something like that anywhere in the world, at least not in the Anglosphere.

This is not exactly uncommon in other countries, especially ones with shorter and multi-party governments. The part about not being a member of the legislature is more complicated, especially if you exclude cases like France where ministers are often chosen among legislators but are legally compelled to give up their National Assembly seat while they are in government. Still, a most famous case would be that former Israeli PM Ehud Barak was not an MK when Ehud Olmert appointed him Minister of Defence in 2007.

That was in 2009, and not unheard of in Israel. Netanyahu was Sharon's chancellor, Rabin was Peres' minister of defence, and then Peres was his foreign secretary.

[TheTide]

This gets it spot on pretty much.

https://twitter.com/ClarkeMicah/status/1724032187635273888?s=20

[Filuwaúrdjan]

That was in 2009, and not unheard of in Israel. Netanyahu was Sharon's chancellor, Rabin was Peres' minister of defence, and then Peres was his foreign secretary.

Yes, in a small country - especially one with a fragmented political landscape - this sort of thing will not be so rare as it's often just a matter of practicalities. Whereas in a large country...

[Battista Minola 1616]

David Cameron is in Downing Street.

Surely they’re not sending him to the Lords, right now? FCDO from the Lords?

Big Mandelson 2009 energy

I feel like it's even more bizarre than Mandelson joining the Cabinet. It'd be like if Major appointed Thatcher in 1996. How often does an ex-PM become a Cabinet minister, let alone one that isn't even in the Commons? I don't think I've heard of something like that anywhere in the world, at least not in the Anglosphere.

This is not exactly uncommon in other countries, especially ones with shorter and multi-party governments. The part about not being a member of the legislature is more complicated, especially if you exclude cases like France where ministers are often chosen among legislators but are legally compelled to give up their National Assembly seat while they are in government. Still, a most famous case would be that former Israeli PM Ehud Barak was not an MK when Ehud Olmert appointed him Minister of Defence in 2007.

That was in 2009, and not unheard of in Israel. Netanyahu was Sharon's chancellor, Rabin was Peres' minister of defence, and then Peres was his foreign secretary.

I see, that was really my point. It's even less unheard of in Italy - in fact it happened roughly all the time in the "first republic" for reasons that will be obvious to anyone vaguely familiar with it - although the only case I know where the minister in question was not sitting in Parliament at the time was Amato being D'Alema's minister for institutional reforms and later minister of the treasury.

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

It's a bit unorthodox to have one of the holders of the great offices of the state sit in the lords and not the commons though. How's that going to work parliament wise when he can't stand at the dispatch box?

In ordinary times they might get a backbencher to stand down in a safe seat and call a by election, although sadly even the gov wouldn't be so hubristic to try that given that would probably result in a patrick gordon walker farce
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[Cassius]

This gets it spot on pretty much.

https://twitter.com/ClarkeMicah/status/1724032187635273888?s=20

Hitchens wrote a wonderfully prescient article (if we ignore the bit about the boundaries) on Cameron upon his election as leader of the Conservative Party:

https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2005/dec/14/conservatives.uk1

[Torrain]

https://twitter.com/redditchrachel/status/1724044040029585794
As is tradition, the Housing Minister has been fired after no more than 1 year in office.

The replacement will be the 16th since 2010.

[Torrain]

As widely speculated - Coffey leaves government:


Vacancy at DEFRA - if anyone else is willing to spend the next year being lampooned as Minister for Sewage.

[Cassius]

As widely speculated - Coffey leaves government:


Vacancy at DEFRA - if anyone else is willing to spend the next year being lampooned as Minister for Sewage.

I suspect Sunak may have difficulty finding replacements for all the lost cabinet and junior ministers. Perhaps some more appointments from the Lords - John Selwyn Gummer as new DEFRA secretary?

[Lumine]

Petition to rename thread to "Return of the Pigdiddler".

[TheTide]

As widely speculated - Coffey leaves government:


Vacancy at DEFRA - if anyone else is willing to spend the next year being lampooned as Minister for Sewage.

I suspect Sunak may have difficulty finding replacements for all the lost cabinet and junior ministers. Perhaps some more appointments from the Lords - John Selwyn Gummer as new DEFRA secretary?

Her predecessor in Suffolk Coastal!

[AustralianSwingVoter]

Don’t think this has been posted. Lmao.

https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1723989242097885574