UK General Discussion: Rishecession

[Epaminondas]

I see Starmer unveiled BBBB today

(The fourth B is for British)

Build Back Better and British?

[YL]

The 6 Tory MPs who voted against the Privileges Committee report:

Bill Cash (Stone)
Nick Fletcher (Don Valley)
Adam Holloway (Gravesham)
Karl McCartney (Lincoln)
Joy Morrissey (Beaconsfield)
Heather Wheeler (South Derbyshire)

Some reports say 7, adding Desmond Swayne (New Forest West), but he's not on the official list.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

I see Starmer unveiled BBBB today

(The fourth B is for British)

Still more proof Starmer is just a British Biden

[Torrain]

354 in favour, 7 opposed.

More MPs voted to exonerate Margaret Ferrier, than Boris Johnson.

[Conservatopia]

I've been thinking, for those who like historical analogies, Dorries is to Boris what Canning was to Pitt. Except that Canning and Pitt were both considerably more statesmanlike, if somehow even more weird. And Pitt was, you know, successful.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

I've been thinking, for those who like historical analogies, Dorries is to Boris what Canning was to Pitt. Except that Canning and Pitt were both considerably more statesmanlike, if somehow even more weird. And Pitt was, you know, successful.

There's a certain Asquithian vibe to him as well, except that, well, Asquith at least presided over a government that got a lot done before everything turned to shit.

[MABA 2020]

354 in favour, 7 opposed.

More MPs voted to exonerate Margaret Ferrier, than Boris Johnson.

Ouch, not looking good for the Boris come back

[CumbrianLefty]

He did tell his supporters not to bother taking part in this supposedly "rigged" exercise.

Well done to Labour people in forcing a vote most Tories would have preferred to avoid.

[Torrain]

Small Holyrood kerfuffle - Tories launched a Vote of No Confidence in Lorna Slater, the Scottish Greens minister in charge of the Deposit Return Scheme.

Slater survived, with MSPs voting along coalition vs opposition lines. However, SNP MSP and perennial Yousaf critic, Fergus Ewing broke ranks to vote against Slater, and released a scathing statement about her performance.

Questions now from Holyrood journalists over whether he'll be sanctioned by the party (which could trigger protests from his fellow travellers on the rural, more socially conservative wing of the SNP), or whether he'll escape without a punishment (which Yousaf detractors will jump on as an example of political weakness by the FM).

The Scottish Government appeared to suppress a report into bullying allegations against Ewing last year, so would not be entirely shocked if that suddenly leaks out of nowhere.

[Blair]

The very funny context for those unaware is that Ewing is the son of Winnie Ewing- one of the most high profile SNP figures in the 70s who really started the first wave of panic among Labour about Scotland.

After she lost in '79 iirc it basically caused a nasty bout of SNP infighting which led to the strange (even by Labour standards) internal culture- a sign of that was that in 1990 Alex Salmond (yes him!) was in a leadership race against Winnie Erwing. Salmond won and was then replaced in 2000 by someone who would remain as Deputy leader of the SNP until this year!

[EastAnglianLefty]

Ewing's sister is also the MSP for Cowdenbeath.

[Torrain]

Ewing's sister is also the MSP for Cowdenbeath.

Aye - she’s Deputy Presiding Officer for the Scottish Parliament.

There’s been a couple of occasions where she’s been in the chair, and ended up chastising her brother for breaking parliamentary decorum.

[afleitch]

Part of the SNP's recent problems has been it's absolute failure to discipline the awkward squad. Who curiously seem to always be platformed by the party's detractors. It stands Humza in good stead to start now.

[CumbrianLefty]

The very funny context for those unaware is that Ewing is the son of Winnie Ewing- one of the most high profile SNP figures in the 70s who really started the first wave of panic among Labour about Scotland.

After she lost in '79 iirc it basically caused a nasty bout of SNP infighting which led to the strange (even by Labour standards) internal culture- a sign of that was that in 1990 Alex Salmond (yes him!) was in a leadership race against Winnie Erwing. Salmond won and was then replaced in 2000 by someone who would remain as Deputy leader of the SNP until this year!

In 1990 Winnie Ewing was no longer an MP (though still a MEP) It was Margaret Ewing, her daughter in law, who Salmond defeated - IIRC it was seen as a bit of a surprise result at the time.

[afleitch]

The very funny context for those unaware is that Ewing is the son of Winnie Ewing- one of the most high profile SNP figures in the 70s who really started the first wave of panic among Labour about Scotland.

After she lost in '79 iirc it basically caused a nasty bout of SNP infighting which led to the strange (even by Labour standards) internal culture- a sign of that was that in 1990 Alex Salmond (yes him!) was in a leadership race against Winnie Erwing. Salmond won and was then replaced in 2000 by someone who would remain as Deputy leader of the SNP until this year!

In 1990 Winnie Ewing was no longer an MP (though still a MEP) It was Margaret Ewing, her daughter in law, who Salmond defeated - IIRC it was seen as a bit of a surprise result at the time.

The 1990 leadership election had similar campaign style, membership engagement and ideological factions as this years. It even had the same factional figures such as Neil and Sillars heavily briefing against Salmond.

With Humza, interestingly being 'the Salmond' (and note Salmond has not been particularly critical of him) as the more left wing, member engaging candidate.

[Tintrlvr]

The very funny context for those unaware is that Ewing is the son of Winnie Ewing- one of the most high profile SNP figures in the 70s who really started the first wave of panic among Labour about Scotland.

After she lost in '79 iirc it basically caused a nasty bout of SNP infighting which led to the strange (even by Labour standards) internal culture- a sign of that was that in 1990 Alex Salmond (yes him!) was in a leadership race against Winnie Erwing. Salmond won and was then replaced in 2000 by someone who would remain as Deputy leader of the SNP until this year!

In 1990 Winnie Ewing was no longer an MP (though still a MEP) It was Margaret Ewing, her daughter in law, who Salmond defeated - IIRC it was seen as a bit of a surprise result at the time.

The 1990 leadership election had similar campaign style, membership engagement and ideological factions as this years. It even had the same factional figures such as Neil and Sillars heavily briefing against Salmond.

With Humza, interestingly being 'the Salmond' (and note Salmond has not been particularly critical of him) as the more left wing, member engaging candidate.

It's really striking how much the conservative, rural, "little Scotland" wing of the SNP revolves around the Ewing family. Kate Forbes was a significant departure in that sense.

[afleitch]

Only to an extent. Annabel Ewing is much more suited to Cowdenbeath than she was to Perth.

[Torrain]

Speaking of West Fife politics - the SNP MP for Glenrothes, Peter Grant is standing down. 11k majority in 2019, but only 3.7k over Labour in 2017. Could be one to watch next year.

[Pericles]

Starmer's Labour takes the lead among Leave voters. Very interesting thread to read, if true it's obviously great news for Labour-though this could just be a midterm mirage.
https://twitter.com/Beyond_Topline/status/1671559553446445067

[Torrain]

There’s also this:
https://twitter.com/MattChorley/status/1671775289897000963
Haven’t seen the fieldwork, but it doesn’t look *great* for the government.

[JimJamUK]

Starmer's Labour takes the lead among Leave voters. Very interesting thread to read, if true it's obviously great news for Labour-though this could just be a midterm mirage.
https://twitter.com/Beyond_Topline/status/1671559553446445067

In no particular order:
Tories are losing loads of votes, and they have a lot more Leavers than remainers to lose.
At the last election Labour ran on a 2nd referendum (“with an option to remain”) while the Tories ran on leaving with a ‘hard’ Brexit. Their positions are now very similar.
Corbyn, while a eurosceptic, gave off very culturally alien vibes to the sort of people who voted Leave.
The Tories were already down to their core with Remain voters, the last 20% of Remain voters still voting for them were the most economically right wing segment of society and it’s hard, even now, for the Tories to alienate them enough for them to go elsewhere.
Brexit is a settled issue, and a lot of Leave voters hold rather left wing views on things like the economy which dominates voters concerns atm.
Labour is gaining particularly among soft Leave voters i.e. people who think Brexit is going badly and according to current opinion polls now think we’d be better off back in the EU.
The Reform numbers (although not really for Survation) are not credible based on any other evidence eg; actual elections, so you can add up to 5% of the Leave vote back to the Tories.

[TheTide]

The very funny context for those unaware is that Ewing is the son of Winnie Ewing- one of the most high profile SNP figures in the 70s who really started the first wave of panic among Labour about Scotland.

After she lost in '79 iirc it basically caused a nasty bout of SNP infighting which led to the strange (even by Labour standards) internal culture- a sign of that was that in 1990 Alex Salmond (yes him!) was in a leadership race against Winnie Erwing. Salmond won and was then replaced in 2000 by someone who would remain as Deputy leader of the SNP until this year!

In 1990 Winnie Ewing was no longer an MP (though still a MEP) It was Margaret Ewing, her daughter in law, who Salmond defeated - IIRC it was seen as a bit of a surprise result at the time.

The 1990 leadership election had similar campaign style, membership engagement and ideological factions as this years. It even had the same factional figures such as Neil and Sillars heavily briefing against Salmond.

With Humza, interestingly being 'the Salmond' (and note Salmond has not been particularly critical of him) as the more left wing, member engaging candidate.

It's really striking how much the conservative, rural, "little Scotland" wing of the SNP revolves around the Ewing family. Kate Forbes was a significant departure in that sense.

By ghoulish coincidence, Winnie Ewing has died (at the age of 93).

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-65988094

[Torrain]

Winnie Ewing has died.

I’m struck by the trajectory of her life. Winning that totemic 1967 by-election, which started a period of continual SNP representation at Westminster that lasts until today. And then, to be active long enough to take a seat at the Scottish Parliament, and see the 2014 referendum.

[Storr]

lmao

https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1671879687407276032?s=20

[CumbrianLefty]

Unsurprisingly, the poll ratings for both Sunak and his party have taken a distinct turn for the worse in the past fortnight. All those breathless "here's how Rishi can still win!!" hack jobs from early this year look more hilarious than ever now.