UK General Discussion: Rishecession

[CumbrianLefty]

Nicola Sturgeon says there will be an Independence vote for Scotland in October 2023, even if the Supreme Court rules against it.

The leader of the Scottish government said Sunday that she will push on with her campaign to take Scotland out of the United Kingdom, even if she loses a Supreme Court case seeking authorization to call a new independence referendum.

First Minister Nicola Sturgeon wants to hold a referendum in October 2023, but the Conservative U.K. government in London has said no. Britain’s top court is due to hear arguments starting Tuesday on whether Scotland’s semi-autonomous administration can organize an independence vote without the London government’s consent.

Sturgeon, who leads the Scottish National Party, said that if her Edinburgh-based government loses the court case, she will make the next U.K. national election a de facto plebiscite on ending Scotland’s three-century-old union with England.

She did not give details of how that would work. A vote held without the approval of the U.K. government would not be legally binding.

Sturgeon said that if the courts blocked a referendum, “we put our case to people in an election or we give up on Scottish democracy.”

It's starting to look like Scotland is going to become the new Catalonia.

Well given how Catalonia turned out, more fool them.

[EastAnglianLefty]

You would think these people are deliberately trying to throw the next election.

The only sane conclusion at this point is that she's legitimately still a Lib Dem & is their ultimate anti-Tory sleeper agent.

I refuse to believe this as it implies a level of competence and strategic thought on the part of the LibDems that would be wholly out of character.

There's a much simpler explanation. She is a Lib Dem, but she's not a sleeper agent, this is just what a lot of early 90s Lib Dems were like in terms of both ideology and competence.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

There's a much simpler explanation. She is a Lib Dem, but she's not a sleeper agent, this is just what a lot of early 90s Lib Dems were like in terms of both ideology and competence.

The IEA's Mark Littlewood was o/c a senior LibDem apparatchik until 2009.

[Frodo]

Nicola Sturgeon says there will be an Independence vote for Scotland in October 2023, even if the Supreme Court rules against it.

The leader of the Scottish government said Sunday that she will push on with her campaign to take Scotland out of the United Kingdom, even if she loses a Supreme Court case seeking authorization to call a new independence referendum.

First Minister Nicola Sturgeon wants to hold a referendum in October 2023, but the Conservative U.K. government in London has said no. Britain’s top court is due to hear arguments starting Tuesday on whether Scotland’s semi-autonomous administration can organize an independence vote without the London government’s consent.

Sturgeon, who leads the Scottish National Party, said that if her Edinburgh-based government loses the court case, she will make the next U.K. national election a de facto plebiscite on ending Scotland’s three-century-old union with England.

She did not give details of how that would work. A vote held without the approval of the U.K. government would not be legally binding.

Sturgeon said that if the courts blocked a referendum, “we put our case to people in an election or we give up on Scottish democracy.”

It's starting to look like Scotland is going to become the new Catalonia.

Given most Scots are #1 against independence, and #2 against the very idea of the independence referendum taking place, I think that highly unlikely.  In fact, if she goes through with it regardless of public sentiment, that could spell the beginning of the end for the independence movement in Scotland, especially if they lose.  Which wouldn't be a bad thing, considering I want the island of Britain to remain politically whole.   

[DINGO Joe]

Sturgeon got some media flack (particularly in Scotland) for saying she 'detests Tories'... at least until Twitter backed her.

Again, good PR. She said she preferred a Labour government, but that it wouldn't go far enough.

I mean it's obvious that Truss hates Scotland and Scotland hates her (8-74 approval rating) so why would she get any flack in Scotland for saying such?

[Torrain]

Somehow, Labour’s lead is still rising in the weekly trackers. At risk of writing the same post twice, Truss can only post numbers (and trends!) like this for so long before her MPs patience runs out.
https://mobile.twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/1579502016027508738

[Blair]

On the economic front Truss has

1.) Bought forward her budget and the report by the OBR.

2.) Appointed an ex treasury civil servant as head of the Treasury after railing against ‘Treasury orthodoxy’.

3.) Reversed the 45p tax rate abolition.

4.) Looks set to increase benefits in line with inflation.

Just like the Lady she is for turning!

It does show imho just how bad things weren’t both internally in the party and externally in the markets- the biggest u-turn in Government economic policy for a very long time and really should have been an issue that caused an election.

[brucejoel99]

Knock-on-wood but the 1st deselection of a Labour MP in 12 yrs. is imminent in Ilford South:

https://twitter.com/lmharpin/status/1579566881429942272

[EastAnglianLefty]

On the economic front Truss has

1.) Bought forward her budget and the report by the OBR.

2.) Appointed an ex treasury civil servant as head of the Treasury after railing against ‘Treasury orthodoxy’.

3.) Reversed the 45p tax rate abolition.

4.) Looks set to increase benefits in line with inflation.

Just like the Lady she is for turning!

It does show imho just how bad things weren’t both internally in the party and externally in the markets- the biggest u-turn in Government economic policy for a very long time and really should have been an issue that caused an election.

Unfortunately, despite announcing #1, gilt yields have kept rising today and are nearly where they were when the BoE had to step in as buyer of last resort. Things could get very dicey unless there's a sudden about-turn in the markets.

[YL]

There's a much simpler explanation. She is a Lib Dem, but she's not a sleeper agent, this is just what a lot of early 90s Lib Dems were like in terms of both ideology and competence.

The IEA's Mark Littlewood was o/c a senior LibDem apparatchik until 2009.

Is it known where Truss was on the Lib Dem spectrum in her Oxford days?  (Other than "mad"...)

[afleitch]

There's a much simpler explanation. She is a Lib Dem, but she's not a sleeper agent, this is just what a lot of early 90s Lib Dems were like in terms of both ideology and competence.

The IEA's Mark Littlewood was o/c a senior LibDem apparatchik until 2009.

Is it known where Truss was on the Lib Dem spectrum in her Oxford days?  (Other than "mad"...)

I think 'mad' is probably sufficient. She jumped on the Titanic as it was going down.

She was apparently in the Hayek society.

[brucejoel99]

Knock-on-wood but the 1st deselection of a Labour MP in 12 yrs. is imminent in Ilford South:

https://twitter.com/lmharpin/status/1579566881429942272

There it is:

https://twitter.com/rewearmouth/status/1579584401704243201
Sam Tarry, you may remember, is rather infamously *not* the Shadow Transport Secretary.

[brucejoel99]

The Tories may die, but that's a sacrifice that Liz Truss is willing to make:

https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1579586149999181824

[Torrain]

Somehow, Labour’s lead is still rising in the weekly trackers. At risk of writing the same post twice, Truss can only post numbers (and trends!) like this for so long before her MPs patience runs out.
https://mobile.twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/1579502016027508738

And here are the polling results from 1997 by comparison:

Aye - the comparisons basically write themselves at the minute. One factor that’s worth noting is that Labour built a similar 30 point lead to the one they enjoy right now after Black Wednesday in 1993 - but that lead was built in a month, while Starmer’s Labour hit that lead in a week after the mini-budget. So things are more volatile - but Truss has dug herself such a hole that it’s hard to see that volatility hurting Labour all that much for the remainder of the year.

[Torrain]

The Tories may die, but that's a sacrifice that Liz Truss is willing to make:

https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1579586149999181824

According to Opinium’s pollsters, Tories were already struggling to hold onto rent-paying voters before Truss came into office. This will only accentuate that problem for them.

It also reopens the “Truss ignores a winning manifesto to pursue her own unpopular agenda” debate. Tory MPs are already jumping on this: “This would be another betrayal of our 2019 voters, and the PM has no mandate for it. The parliamentary party will not wear it. She is on borrowed time.”

[Kahane's Grave Is A Gender-Neutral Bathroom]

To be fair to Truss I don't think any of us could have done a better job...

...At running Labour's campaign

[CumbrianLefty]

Knock-on-wood but the 1st deselection of a Labour MP in 12 yrs. is imminent in Ilford South:

https://twitter.com/lmharpin/status/1579566881429942272

Though that "first in 12 years" stat is partly because certain people jumped before they were pushed.

[EastAnglianLefty]

And because we had two snap elections so the full selection procedure didn't happen in most seats.

[2952-0-0]

Nicola Sturgeon says there will be an Independence vote for Scotland in October 2023, even if the Supreme Court rules against it.

The leader of the Scottish government said Sunday that she will push on with her campaign to take Scotland out of the United Kingdom, even if she loses a Supreme Court case seeking authorization to call a new independence referendum.

First Minister Nicola Sturgeon wants to hold a referendum in October 2023, but the Conservative U.K. government in London has said no. Britain’s top court is due to hear arguments starting Tuesday on whether Scotland’s semi-autonomous administration can organize an independence vote without the London government’s consent.

Sturgeon, who leads the Scottish National Party, said that if her Edinburgh-based government loses the court case, she will make the next U.K. national election a de facto plebiscite on ending Scotland’s three-century-old union with England.

She did not give details of how that would work. A vote held without the approval of the U.K. government would not be legally binding.

Sturgeon said that if the courts blocked a referendum, “we put our case to people in an election or we give up on Scottish democracy.”

It's starting to look like Scotland is going to become the new Catalonia.

Both referendums in Quebec were held unilaterally, without any authorization from Ottawa.

Though, in both cases, the PQ government gave itself wiggle room by making the ballot question intentionally ambiguous. Maybe Sturgeon could give herself wiggle room by floating trial balloons about a confederation, but the clear-cut ballot question in 2014 will make that harder.

[Illiniwek]

Can we actually get a NUT map to look at?

[Mike88]

Charles III coronation is schedule for the 6th May 2023 on Westminster Abbey.

Will Liz Truss still be PM by then?

[JimJamUK]

Charles III coronation is schedule for the 6th May 2023 on Westminster Abbey.

Will Liz Truss still be PM by then?

The local elections are 2 days earlier so the coronation may soften the blow (both distracting people beforehand and forcing people to move on quickly in the aftermath).

[Mike88]

Charles III coronation is schedule for the 6th May 2023 on Westminster Abbey.

Will Liz Truss still be PM by then?

The local elections are 2 days earlier so the coronation may soften the blow (both distracting people beforehand and forcing people to move on quickly in the aftermath).

Who knows at this point, right? There could even be a general election on that same day, May 4.

[brucejoel99]

Charles III coronation is schedule for the 6th May 2023 on Westminster Abbey.

Will Liz Truss still be PM by then?

No, but only because Prince William will presumably be installed as "King & Lord Protector" on that day by the Dianaist coup of the people that'll be triggered in backlash to Charles dropping "Consort" from Camilla's title at the Coronation

[Storr]

In an interesting turn of events:

https://twitter.com/michaeldweiss/status/1579890787562979329?s=20&t=mRcVZHp_...