UK General Discussion: Rishecession

[afleitch]

Historic stuff with the Privy Council. Interesting to watch.

[Torrain]

The Privy Council has been an interesting assembly so far - fascinating to see Starmer, Blair, Brown, Cameron, May and Johnson standing at the head of a crowd of politicians, with a sea of familiar Cabinet faces hovering in the background, in addition to Lib Dem and SNP grandees.

Penny Mordaunt is chairing events. Truss made her Leader of the Commons and Lord President of the (Privy) Council on Tuesday, which are pretty low-key jobs in normal times (the kind of thing you give to Andrea Leadsom or Rees-Mogg). And yet by Saturday, she’s MC for a number of constitutional ceremonies, as part of the succession, and by dint of being appointed Lord President (which is normally just a sinecure given to an MP so they have the right to attend Cabinet).

[politicallefty]

The Privy Council has been an interesting assembly so far - fascinating to see Starmer, Blair, Brown, Cameron, May and Johnson standing at the head of a crowd of politicians, with a sea of familiar Cabinet faces hovering in the background, in addition to Lib Dem and SNP grandees.

And Nicola Sturgeon as well.

[afleitch]

The Privy Council has been an interesting assembly so far - fascinating to see Starmer, Blair, Brown, Cameron, May and Johnson standing at the head of a crowd of politicians, with a sea of familiar Cabinet faces hovering in the background, in addition to Lib Dem and SNP grandees.

Penny Mordaunt is chairing events. Truss made her Leader of the Commons and Lord President of the (Privy) Council on Tuesday, which are pretty low-key jobs in normal times (the kind of thing you give to Andrea Leadsom or Rees-Mogg). And yet by Saturday, she’s MC for a number of constitutional ceremonies, as part of the succession, and by dint of being appointed Lord President (which is normally just a sinecure given to an MP so they have the right to attend Cabinet).

Deep down, Rees-Mogg is kicking himself.

[Torrain]

The Privy Council has been an interesting assembly so far - fascinating to see Starmer, Blair, Brown, Cameron, May and Johnson standing at the head of a crowd of politicians, with a sea of familiar Cabinet faces hovering in the background, in addition to Lib Dem and SNP grandees.

And Nicola Sturgeon as well.

Aye - she’s got a more important role, as one of the co-signatories for the documents relating to the accession in Scotland  the First Minister holds some constitutional power, possibly from holding the Great Seal of Scotland, in addition to their elected responsibilities laid out by the devolution legislation - but I can’t find the exact basis for it).

[Torrain]

Deep down, Rees-Mogg is kicking himself.

Oh definitely - I must say, I’m glad he’s out of that office.

[CumbrianLefty]

The Privy Council has been an interesting assembly so far - fascinating to see Starmer, Blair, Brown, Cameron, May and Johnson standing at the head of a crowd of politicians, with a sea of familiar Cabinet faces hovering in the background, in addition to Lib Dem and SNP grandees.

Penny Mordaunt is chairing events. Truss made her Leader of the Commons and Lord President of the (Privy) Council on Tuesday, which are pretty low-key jobs in normal times (the kind of thing you give to Andrea Leadsom or Rees-Mogg). And yet by Saturday, she’s MC for a number of constitutional ceremonies, as part of the succession, and by dint of being appointed Lord President (which is normally just a sinecure given to an MP so they have the right to attend Cabinet).

Deep down, Rees-Mogg is kicking himself.

He is a Johnson wannabe in that respect as well as several others

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Random Ruritanian notes just because:

a) Guards regiments wear bearskins as part of their dress uniform in reference to the Battle of Waterloo, in which they routed the French Imperial Guard who o/c famously wore bearskins as part of their uniform

b) The use of the colour red in British military costumes is older than might be assumed and not uninteresting. Its use as a war colour by Mediaeval Welsh soldiers (no matter who they were fighting for or in what conflict) is well-attested and it seems to have spread as from there, presumably because it is a very striking colour, there were a lot of Welsh mercenary soldiers in the Middle Ages and, of course, the victory of an army with a large Welsh contingent at Bosworth. It became the first formal uniform colour in British history when it was picked as the colour of the New Model Army during the Civil War, which means that the uniforms on display at today's ceremonies actually have some Republican roots.

[Blair]

IDS turned down the role of Lord President too this week.

[Torrain]

IDS turned down the role of Lord President too this week.

He was in the room as one of the invited Privy Councillors though. Watching it all go down, I wonder whether he felt relieved or regretful he turned it down. Probably for the best - he's never been one to command a room in moments like this.

Oddly, IDS feels like one of the most apt comparisons for Truss under current conditions - darling of the Right, more popular with the party membership than MPs, and trying to make themselves heard in an environment dominated by louder voices.

[NewYorkExpress]

and then implied he’d do his best to step back from political advocacy (which will assuage some concerns).

Just like every other citizen of the United Kingdom, the monarch pays his taxes, and as such I so no reason why he shouldn't be allowed to express his political opinions or vote in British elections.

[Illiniwek]

and then implied he’d do his best to step back from political advocacy (which will assuage some concerns).

Just like every other citizen of the United Kingdom, the monarch pays his taxes, and as such I so no reason why he shouldn't be allowed to express his political opinions or vote in British elections.

I want to agree but the de facto separation of powers is probably the one thing that keeps the monarchy from being abolished. Would have loved the queen to say “f brexit” but this is pretty much a necessity.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

There is no need to abolish the monarchy now since Charles and William and Harry are the King and Princes now, the monarchy wanted to be abolished because we had no new monarch Queen Elizabeth was on the throne too long now we have a new King the only thing that might be scrubbed is Scotland becoming independent but they will keep Charles as head of state

We had monarchy actually but it was broken by Kennedys being killed but had Kennedys survey we could of had 2 consecutive Kennedy and then we had Gore Sr and They Sr it could of been successive generations of the same family and of course we had the Clintons, Bushes but Hillary didn't get elected and Rs want Trump back he is the richest man in the world

The Whigs were the Republicans which means money party Banking Party

[CumbrianLefty]

IDS turned down the role of Lord President too this week.

He was in the room as one of the invited Privy Councillors though. Watching it all go down, I wonder whether he felt relieved or regretful he turned it down. Probably for the best - he's never been one to command a room in moments like this.

Oddly, IDS feels like one of the most apt comparisons for Truss under current conditions - darling of the Right, more popular with the party membership than MPs, and trying to make themselves heard in an environment dominated by louder voices.

His victory in 2001 over Clarke was announced two days after Sept 11.

Now, *that's* unlucky timing.

[Torrain]

IDS turned down the role of Lord President too this week.

He was in the room as one of the invited Privy Councillors though. Watching it all go down, I wonder whether he felt relieved or regretful he turned it down. Probably for the best - he's never been one to command a room in moments like this.

Oddly, IDS feels like one of the most apt comparisons for Truss under current conditions - darling of the Right, more popular with the party membership than MPs, and trying to make themselves heard in an environment dominated by louder voices.

His victory in 2001 over Clarke was announced two days after Sept 11.

Now, *that's* unlucky timing.

Seriously? Man, that’s on a different level of misfortune.
The guy never stood a chance…

[Joe Republic]

Refusing to wait the traditional period, and just naming William as Prince of Wales now gets rid of a lot of pointless media speculation, and helps reinforce the transition (it certainly gave me slight vertigo for a moment). Seems like a good call.

It makes sense to me too.  Charles was only three years old when his mother became Queen and he became heir.  She made him Prince of Wales when he was 10, and his investiture was when he was 21.  Meanwhile, William is already 40 years old.  No point dragging this out.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Very much looking forward to the entire World's media trying to find their way around Caernarfon and getting extremely and hilariously lost! Also, it's a rather depressed postindustrial town these days and has had a really rough decade and could do with the attention - it's pretty enough that it could give a permanent boost.

[CumbrianLefty]

and then implied he’d do his best to step back from political advocacy (which will assuage some concerns).

Just like every other citizen of the United Kingdom, the monarch pays his taxes, and as such I so no reason why he shouldn't be allowed to express his political opinions or vote in British elections.

I want to agree but the de facto separation of powers is probably the one thing that keeps the monarchy from being abolished. Would have loved the queen to say “f brexit” but this is pretty much a necessity.

Still remember the hysteria in #FBPEland when Her Maj once wore a certain hat

[Blair]

Even more hilarious when you consider what her views on Europe actually were…

[Torrain]

What’s you guys’ sense for conference season this year? The Lib Dems literally scheduled theirs for the date of the funeral, so it was always going to get canned, but the other parties haven’t discussed it yet (probably still too early to discuss without tabloids moaning about “playing politics”).

In theory, this is the opportunity for all the big players to make political hay - Starmer trying to define Truss before she can define herself, while bigging up his “Labour can be patriotic too” thing - I’m expecting a lot of flags. Truss has been denied her honeymoon, and can’t even tout her energy policy right now. The SNP have a theoretical referendum to start defining (quite possibly with a Supreme Court outcome to either bemoan or celebrate), which seems like something that would be telegraphed heavily at the October conference.

But the mood is still so weird, that it will be slightly jarring to go from the funeral to party-political fervour within a week. Part of me thinks that it might all still get reduced in scope, and there’s a chance conferences gets cancelled altogether if focus-groups/polling makes them jumpy about diving right back into adversarial politics etc etc.

[Lord Halifax]

Even more hilarious when you consider what her views on Europe actually were…

what were they?

[YL]

Even more hilarious when you consider what her views on Europe actually were…

what were they?

I don't think we know.  There was a story in the Sun claiming she made a pro-Leave remark, but I think it's treated with a fair degree of scepticism given that she was generally pretty good at not letting on what she thought about things.

(For the same reason I don't think the "European flag" hat was significant either.)

[Blair]

Even more hilarious when you consider what her views on Europe actually were…

what were they?

Historically eurosceptic; she fell out with Heath over it in the 1970s but largely because she had what was then the Gaitskellite position of wanting to focus on the commonwealth rather than the EEC.

It was also briefed that she made pro leave remarks before 2016- I took it as true as neither the palace nor the Remainers tried to deny it- rather they said it was low politics for it to leak.

She was a great Francophile ofc though.

[Kahane's Grave Is A Gender-Neutral Bathroom]

LOL:
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Refusing to wait the traditional period, and just naming William as Prince of Wales now gets rid of a lot of pointless media speculation, and helps reinforce the transition (it certainly gave me slight vertigo for a moment). Seems like a good call.

It makes sense to me too.  Charles was only three years old when his mother became Queen and he became heir.  She made him Prince of Wales when he was 10, and his investiture was when he was 21.  Meanwhile, William is already 40 years old.  No point dragging this out.

George V had to wait 9 1/2 months despite being 35/36. But George IV had gotten it at a week old.